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24. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 19:51 Wolfen
 
Take it outside you two.  
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23. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 19:47 toon
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Mar 7, 2010, 19:41:
Ad hosts are untrustworthy and the main source of malware. Don't like it tough, but until they've fixed the problem, people will continue to say "Screw and you."
  • Safe ads(that means no various injections/false adverts
  • Ads which are non-agressive(that includes popups/unders/overs/sliders/screamers/non-mutable elements)
  • Don't take up 40% of the screen, hazard to navigation. Abuse click-overs via java. Continuing on with js, abuse of cs/css/xscripting abilities for forced redirection and/or force resizing of browsers


  • Adverts abuse all of the above, flash or non-flash elements. The only thing that's close to being safe is plain text. Even then you have to trust that the site at the end isn't compromised. In this day and age it's irresponsible to use the web without blocking adverts because the entire thing is tainted.

    Don't like it, tough. Blame the advertisers who decided over the last 10yrs that being more aggressive and then blaming users for saying "we've had enough." is the problem. While allowing shady adverts directly or indirectly into the pool. The sole issue in this lies at the foot of the advertisers.
    I host my own ads using OpenX. It still happens. They are always on the same spot. ONE time some flash-add started playing music when the mouse hovered over it. I got a few complaints (I actually wasn't aware of it myself), and I removed it ASAP. Never has there been a popup, inline or not, and most of the ads are anim-gif based. Still a ridiculous amount of people turn to ad-block.

    That ars article is interesting, because I've contemplated about doing the same thing myself.

    (and by the way, removing the ability for js to resize the browser, do popups, override the statusbar etc isn't really rocket-science without blocking all the ads.)
     
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    22. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 19:45 PHJF
     
    Okay, so instead of making it all about insults, how the fuck is it different?

    I thought I made it perfectly clear I'm fucking tired of being bombarded every minute of my fucking existence by some fucking pencil pusher trying to sell me something I don't want. Browsing the internet is MY time. If you're so concerned about your hosting costs then start charging admission or fucking piss off because you're not going to take up MY TIME with your MICKEY MOUSE BULL SHIT POPUPS AND THROUGH ADS.
     
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    21. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 19:41 Mashiki Amiketo
     
    toon wrote on Mar 7, 2010, 16:08:
    Then why the fuck are you using an AD-BLOCKER? Use something like flashblock, which will save you from those "annoying flash ads" unless you click on them.

    Don't try to hide behind the "I have to use adblock because of flash"-crap, because it's bullshit. There are alternatives.
    Ad hosts are untrustworthy and the main source of malware. Don't like it tough, but until they've fixed the problem, people will continue to say "Screw and you."
  • Safe ads(that means no various injections/false adverts
  • Ads which are non-agressive(that includes popups/unders/overs/sliders/screamers/non-mutable elements)
  • Don't take up 40% of the screen, hazard to navigation. Abuse click-overs via java. Continuing on with js, abuse of cs/css/xscripting abilities for forced redirection and/or force resizing of browsers


  • Adverts abuse all of the above, flash or non-flash elements. The only thing that's close to being safe is plain text. Even then you have to trust that the site at the end isn't compromised. In this day and age it's irresponsible to use the web without blocking adverts because the entire thing is tainted.

    Don't like it, tough. Blame the advertisers who decided over the last 10yrs that being more aggressive and then blaming users for saying "we've had enough." is the problem. While allowing shady adverts directly or indirectly into the pool. The sole issue in this lies at the foot of the advertisers.
     
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    20. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 19:35 toon
     
    PHJF wrote on Mar 7, 2010, 19:24:
    Leela: "Didn't you have ads in the 20th century?"

    Fry: "Well sure, but not in our dreams! Only on tv and radio...and in magazines...and movies. And at ball games, on buses, and milk cartons, and t-shirts, and bananas, and written on the sky. But not in dreams! No sirree."

    Adblock Plus is the best thing to happen to the internet since porn.
    First of all, if you go to a game, you've payed for an admission-ticket. Or the movies, whatever. That's different. Of course, it often means that the ticket itself is cheaper, not that you'd give a fuck about that.
    PHJF wrote on Mar 7, 2010, 19:24:
    To me, browsing with adblocker is the same as pirating software

    Yeah, well, you're a fucking douchebag and I hope you rot in hell.
    Okay, so instead of making it all about insults, how the fuck is it different? Explain! We can't all have a no-revenue-stream-lets-get-bought-before-going-bankrupt strategy. And while you're thinking about a clever reply, eat a dick.
     
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    19. removed Mar 7, 2010, 19:24 PHJF
     
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    18. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 19:12 toon
     
    Wolfen wrote on Mar 7, 2010, 19:05:
    Yes, thanks to flash ad's I dont have flash installed any more either.
    Yeah youtube et al has started experimenting with h264 etc, so once that happens the only reason left for flash is games, and I bet that's a lot fewer people than those using it for movies now..
     
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    17. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 19:05 Wolfen
     
    Yes, thanks to flash ad's I dont have flash installed any more either.  
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    16. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 19:05 toon
     
    beigemore wrote on Mar 7, 2010, 16:57:
    Getting an adblocker is convenient. It's silly to expect people to decide they want to block certain ads but allow others, and then find some software that will do that. It's just too convenient to grab Firefox and Adblock Plus. If that's a problem, then maybe you shouldn't be running a website.
    Flashblock doesn't block ads. It just doesn't activate any flash-element (unless you've whitelisted the site) untill you click on it.

    Other things you could use is noscript, and get a static image instead of the flash-ad (unless the ad-agency is running some retarded software..).

    My point still stands. The only way I make money is through ads. Saying it's some dying business-model (with no alternatives in sight) doesn't automagically make it okay to block everything.

    I browse with ads. I've done it since long before I was a webmaster, so it's not because of any sudden personal incentive. I really don't see the problem. The exception though is sometimes having lots of flash-ads running, because yes, that can affect your system if you have many tabs. But flashblock or noscript takes care of that.

    To me, browsing with adblocker is the same as pirating software. On some level, it's better that a person pirates the game if (s)he would never buy it anyway, provided they liked it and pass along the praise of course, but it still sucks for the developer.
     
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    15. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 18:57 toon
     
    Flatline wrote on Mar 7, 2010, 16:51:
    You have to be aware of alternatives before you can use alternatives. Do you make an effort to educate that doesn't involve berating your visitors?

    If not, shut the fuck up, because you're part of the problem too.

    Also, way to berate your potential revenue stream. Rest assured that if I ever stumble onto your site, I'll make sure adblock is running at full strength because you're such a lovable, understanding guy.
    Of course I don't word myself like this to my users. I'm not representing any site now.

    And I don't see how I'm part of the problem. It's like saying just because you didn't like some painting at a resturant you decided to take it down because it didn't amuse you. What would happen? You'd be thrown the fuck out, of course. Yes the resturant change the painitng if people were complaining, but that is different. With adblock, people are blissfully unaware of the painting in the first place, there's nothing to complain about. And they are never switching back.

    Either you take it for what it is, or you leave.

    (And as for your last comment, I'm not worried, you are obviously using adblock anyway.)
     
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    14. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 16:57 beigemore
     
    toon wrote on Mar 7, 2010, 16:08:
    Then why the fuck are you using an AD-BLOCKER? Use something like flashblock, which will save you from those "annoying flash ads" unless you click on them.

    Don't try to hide behind the "I have to use adblock because of flash"-crap, because it's bullshit. There are alternatives.

    Don't like the site because of this? Don't use it! It's like all these ad-blocking morons think every site on the net ownes THEM something. WTF.

    (yes, I run a site. yes, it is 100% dependant on ads. no, they are not intrusive. yes, it is usually better with an active user that blocks ads than not having that user. yes, it fucking BLOWS that > 50% use adblock. yes, I still think he's a dip-shit for blocking the ads.)

    Getting an adblocker is convenient. It's silly to expect people to decide they want to block certain ads but allow others, and then find some software that will do that. It's just too convenient to grab Firefox and Adblock Plus. If that's a problem, then maybe you shouldn't be running a website.
     
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    13. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 16:51 Flatline
     
    toon wrote on Mar 7, 2010, 16:08:
    Don't try to hide behind the "I have to use adblock because of flash"-crap, because it's bullshit. There are alternatives.

    Don't like the site because of this? Don't use it! It's like all these ad-blocking morons think every site on the net ownes THEM something. WTF.

    (yes, I run a site. yes, it is 100% dependant on ads. no, they are not intrusive. yes, it is usually better with an active user that blocks ads than not having that user. yes, it fucking BLOWS that > 50% use adblock. yes, I still think he's a dip-shit for blocking the ads.)

    You have to be aware of alternatives before you can use alternatives. Do you make an effort to educate that doesn't involve berating your visitors?

    If not, shut the fuck up, because you're part of the problem too.

    Also, way to berate your potential revenue stream. Rest assured that if I ever stumble onto your site, I'll make sure adblock is running at full strength because you're such a lovable, understanding guy.
     
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    12. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 16:44 Acleacius
     
    I blame the advertisers, no sane person wants to or intends to hurt a site, especially ones you care about, like this one. The advertisers like 90% of all media use malicious forms of advertising whether they are brainwashing us as kids with thousands of hours of advertisements to addict us to sugary foods like cereal by the time we are ten. Then of course they want to move us to cigarettes or antidepressants.

    Websites? They STROBE us with FLASH, intentionally blinding our optic nerves and actually preventing us from focusing on the actual webpage we are tying to read.

    The worst economy in history (reason it's worst than the great depression is the world economy was strong enough to continue buying our products in the US then, allowing quicker recovery. You being bullshitted if you think this will be quick and painless.), so we are all suffering.

    HELL NO, I don't want this site to have trouble, technically I don't want anyone to suffer, except maybe the 25 most responsible and many at goldman.
     
    The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.That is easy.All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.It works the same way in any country.
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    11. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 16:31 Prez
     
    I should probably re-phrase the question. Obviously there IS a way to know because Blue recently ran a story on exactly what perecentage of Blues users use ad blockers.

    What I really want to know, is how do they do it, and how specific is it? In other words, is there a way for Blue right now to check to see if I personally am using one?
     
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    10. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 16:16 Overon
     
    History shows that business models come and go and when they are in the process of going, when revenue from those business models decreases for whatever reason, the content makers fight desperately to keep them alive. They go down kicking and screaming. This is just another example.

    The nature of the web is such that the end user has more control of what reaches their computer over the web. There is just more opennes to do stuff like this on the web. Content makers don't like that when it means their business model hurts, forgetting that this openness is the very reason that the web got be so important. It's a two way street. Maybe some content makers are forgetting why these ad blockers were developed at all.

    I sympathize.

    I have a question though, how can a web page tell if I'm blocking some ad? The ad still gets downloaded right? It's just not shown? Or maybe it is not downloaded, they can tell that I'm sure.
     
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    9. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 16:11 Dr. D. Schreber
     
    Advertising as an industry has existed for so long at this point that over-saturation has caused a shift in business practice from "inform consumers so they buy our stuff" to "we grew brains and realized that advertising is so purvasive consumers are doing everything they can to avoid it, so the more ridiculous and thus attention-grabbing we can be, the better."

    If anyone thinks internet-goers would rather tolerate advertising as it exists today instead of watching their favorite websites go down and switching to a new news source, either a smaller website (we're not even close to the point where it's hard to find someone throwing the information we want onto the web somewhere,) or another medium entirely, they're kidding themselves.
     
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    8. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 16:11 Prez
     
    That article sounded a bit contentious; (EDIT - though not nearly as contentious as the post below mine!) I kind of want to block ads from Ars from now on. But the point is taken. Short of donating with paypal, or subscribing, faulty business model or not, it's really the only way webmasters can make money. (It should be noted that our gracious host Blue doesn't ask for donations nor does he have a subscription service...)

    I get the feeling that Blue might be trying to drop us a hint here by linking to this story - I will leave Blues Whitelisted until some really annoying ads make me blacklist it.

    On a related note, is there a way for webmasters and advertisers to know the percentage of users who block ads?
     
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    7. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 16:08 toon
     
    Then why the fuck are you using an AD-BLOCKER? Use something like flashblock, which will save you from those "annoying flash ads" unless you click on them.

    Don't try to hide behind the "I have to use adblock because of flash"-crap, because it's bullshit. There are alternatives.

    Don't like the site because of this? Don't use it! It's like all these ad-blocking morons think every site on the net ownes THEM something. WTF.

    (yes, I run a site. yes, it is 100% dependant on ads. no, they are not intrusive. yes, it is usually better with an active user that blocks ads than not having that user. yes, it fucking BLOWS that > 50% use adblock. yes, I still think he's a dip-shit for blocking the ads.)
     
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    6. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 16:01 Sir Graves
     
    Yep, for all the exact same reasons everyone else has already pointed out below me, I run (and have for years) an ad blocker...and I love it.

    I don't mind at all TEXT ads and ad links, or even static image ads, but the very distracting animated flashy ones and the pop-ups that make it hard to close on purpose? No. Way. I can't abide those at all.

    This article's funny, though, because there was just a different well publicised article a few weeks back making the rounds, about how Google says ad blockers are GOOD for the industry. Funny.
     
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    5. Re: Metaverse Mar 7, 2010, 15:36 Tumbler
     
    I have to admit I have had ad block on for a while and never turn it off. Since I frequent this site so often I'll open up my PC to ads on this site. If a flash ad pops up and makes me hunt for a little X you're back on the list. If there is a video clip or sound in an ad, back on the list.  
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