Star Trek Online Brouhaha

There is a bit of an uproar on the Star Trek Online forums, where many users are upset by a Star Trek Online promotion they say included 60 free days of game-time (in addition to the 30 days included with the purchase of the game) that was later rescinded. This has lead to this 300+ page thread and this 200+ page thread complaining about the situation. If you don't have the patience for over 500 pages of forum posts, you can check out this post that attempts to summarize the situation. Thanks Brian.
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 6, 2010, 07:48
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha Mar 6, 2010, 07:48
Mar 6, 2010, 07:48
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Narf2029 wrote on Mar 4, 2010, 22:38:
One more time: if you go in with realistic expectations, STO is good. Everyone's upset that it isn't the second coming. It's not the second coming, it's an MMO. It doesn't have deeply engrossing story material, it's an MMO.

Story-wise they have more content to pull from than probably all the MMOs out there combined; including WOW. It just sounds to me like Cryptic ran out of funding and had to push the game to market.
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 6, 2010, 07:44
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha Mar 6, 2010, 07:44
Mar 6, 2010, 07:44
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NKD wrote on Mar 4, 2010, 22:28:
MMO players are some of the most whiniest vocal, most pathetic passionate individuals in the gaming community. Combine that with Trekkies who are the whiniest nerdiest, most pathetic zealous fans in SciFi, and you've got a recipe for the worst player base most changes in MMO history.

Fixed.
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 5, 2010, 20:09
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha Mar 5, 2010, 20:09
Mar 5, 2010, 20:09
 
Talisorn wrote on Mar 4, 2010, 22:18:
Snozzle wrote on Mar 4, 2010, 22:11:
The way this game is heading, that 90 days might be a lifetime subscription...
So you've played it?

Didn't think so ...

I have played it and if anything he's being generous. I was finished with it in two weeks (RADM5) and I'm NOT one of those people who rush through content and level fast. That's all it had in it.

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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 5, 2010, 09:44
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha Mar 5, 2010, 09:44
Mar 5, 2010, 09:44
 
That's hardly a defense. If a company is going to bother making an MMO now of all times they'd better bring some new material to the table. The MMO market is already supersaturated with enough "OK" games to last a lifetime.

This does do a lot of new things. Half the people complaining about it (and any other MMO that does things a little differently) are mad because it's "not WoW!!"

Narf's sentiment are correct, and not based on "more of the same" but rather the actual limits of making an MMO. You're simply not going to get the depth of a single player game in a system designed for thousands of people to be played over a span of game months.

People seem to think STO should offer just that. I'd love to see it, but it's just not realistic. A really really long single player game like Morrowind or Baldur's Gate is what? 250 hours? That's ten days and some change...

Now go do a /played on your favorite MMO.

I'm not saying that STO has a the depth/timesinkability of WoW - or even that they tapped the potential of the IP - but a ton of people expected a freakin' Holodeck, and that's just not rational. This company doesn't have the funding or depth of bullpen to pull that off.

As for the sale bruhaha - well - I think the consumers are being whiners, and the company is handling it like a bunch of idiots. It's a SALE - if you have a problem with it, demand to be included or take your business elsewhere. If you bought the lifetime subscription and thought that it was the best deal for the money that would ever come down the line...well, you're King Idiot, and should proudly claim your throne.

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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 5, 2010, 05:30
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha Mar 5, 2010, 05:30
Mar 5, 2010, 05:30
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NKD wrote on Mar 5, 2010, 02:00:
Prez wrote on Mar 5, 2010, 01:04:
Wow - what a mess. People still get duped into buying "lifetime subscriptions" after Hellgate?

Have a hard time thinking of anyone as getting "duped" seeing as how they was an open beta during which to try the game, and an additional 30 day window to get it refunded, despite the fact it was advertised as non-refundable.

Anyone who bought the LTS knew what they were getting into. They weren't tricked or duped. If they are unhappy with it, they have no one to blame but themselves.

Yeah, my choice of words was poor.
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 5, 2010, 04:50
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha Mar 5, 2010, 04:50
Mar 5, 2010, 04:50
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One more time: if you go in with realistic expectations, STO is good. Everyone's upset that it isn't the second coming. It's not the second coming, it's an MMO. It doesn't have deeply engrossing story material, it's an MMO.

That's hardly a defense. If a company is going to bother making an MMO now of all times they'd better bring some new material to the table. The MMO market is already supersaturated with enough "OK" games to last a lifetime.
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 5, 2010, 02:00
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha Mar 5, 2010, 02:00
Mar 5, 2010, 02:00
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Prez wrote on Mar 5, 2010, 01:04:
Wow - what a mess. People still get duped into buying "lifetime subscriptions" after Hellgate?

Have a hard time thinking of anyone as getting "duped" seeing as how they was an open beta during which to try the game, and an additional 30 day window to get it refunded, despite the fact it was advertised as non-refundable.

Anyone who bought the LTS knew what they were getting into. They weren't tricked or duped. If they are unhappy with it, they have no one to blame but themselves.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 5, 2010, 01:04
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha Mar 5, 2010, 01:04
Mar 5, 2010, 01:04
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Wow - what a mess. People still get duped into buying "lifetime subscriptions" after Hellgate?

Anyway, they say any publicity is good publicity, so this must be great for STO.
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 5, 2010, 00:20
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha Mar 5, 2010, 00:20
Mar 5, 2010, 00:20
 
Talisorn wrote on Mar 4, 2010, 22:18:
Snozzle wrote on Mar 4, 2010, 22:11:
The way this game is heading, that 90 days might be a lifetime subscription...
So you've played it?

Didn't think so ...

Actually my Fed character hit the level cap and I'm about half way with my Klingon character. I just don't see anything to keep me interested for more than another month. Will probably drop out for a while until they get some interesting content. If they ever do.
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Narf2029 wrote on Mar 4, 2010, 22:38:
One more time: if you go in with realistic expectations, STO is good. Everyone's upset that it isn't the second coming. It's not the second coming, it's an MMO. I don't think the whine community in STO is proportionally larger, it's just larger by merit of a larger population in general.

Exactly what I was thinking Narf2029
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 4, 2010, 23:56
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha Mar 4, 2010, 23:56
Mar 4, 2010, 23:56
 
Cryptic makes shallow, boring games..and the two other devs houses associated with them (NC Soft and Netdevil) also produces cheap, cheesy games.
Same lack of longevity, same lack of depth.. same color palette, same everything.. just not top quality/top tier games at all.

STO is another failed MMO. (to me.. and many others)
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 4, 2010, 23:02
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha Mar 4, 2010, 23:02
Mar 4, 2010, 23:02
 
I'm surprised this is the first time I'm hearing about this promotion, maybe I missed the email... 90 days game time plus $10 off is a crazy offer considering they are still in their first month... Easy to understand why people who bought at the beginning of the month feel jaded but it's no secret that waiting would save money in the future.

I'm also surprised they were offering refunds for the lifetime subs.

I'm very interested to see what they do over the next three months as far as adding new content and improving the gameplay goes. This game could be fantastic with just a bit more work.

Very curious what they will add to the C-store instead of adding it to the game for free* (*aka a monthly fee).
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 4, 2010, 23:01
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha Mar 4, 2010, 23:01
Mar 4, 2010, 23:01
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Narf2029 wrote on Mar 4, 2010, 22:38:
Also, everyone that says TOR is going to be substantially better is kidding themselves. :)

Right. Because BioWare sucks compared to Cryptic, and it's not like they have some of the best people in the world working on their game and a budget and development time frame several times more expansive than STO.

Oh. Wait.

It too will be an MMO, after all, and everyone who believes it will have a better story faces a rude awakening in the future.

It would not be hard to have a better story than STO, for ANY developer. BioWare should pull it off without a sweat. Actual Mass Effect style dialogue, story choices, morality system. Completely unique stories for each class. Hell, they've even got a way for multiple players to take part in the dialogue.

If you can honestly say you have the impression it's going to be the same as STO or worse, you simply have not followed the game at all.

That is, unless TOR turns out to be a single player/cooperative game with a monthly fee...

That's actually one of the playstyles they are taking into consideration. If you want to just solo through each class story and be done with it, then you can do that.

But to say it's not going to be any better than STO is just nonsense. Even if BioWare _was_ as bad as Cryptic, it'd still be better for the sheer amount of money and production value they are sinking into it.

TOR may end up being mediocre in the end, and no one is expecting it to do bigger numbers than WoW, but it's going to be far and away better than STO.

STO isn't as bad as people make it out to be, but it's not even on the same level as TOR.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 4, 2010, 22:38
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One more time: if you go in with realistic expectations, STO is good. Everyone's upset that it isn't the second coming. It's not the second coming, it's an MMO. It doesn't have deeply engrossing story material, it's an MMO. It doesn't have Starfleet Command's glacial pace of combat nor its depth of tactics, it's an MMO. Though I do find the space combat very fun and engaging FOR AN MMO. It's repetitive, yes, but so is WoW and nobody complains about that. If anything, you've got less repetition in STO because you don't spend half your play time grinding for gear. The only bad realistic element to STO is that because of the huge number of Star Trek fans in the world, the whiny peanut gallery has more babies in it than any MMO I've played. I don't think the whine community in STO is proportionally larger, it's just larger by merit of a larger population in general.

Also, everyone that says TOR is going to be substantially better is kidding themselves. It too will be an MMO, after all, and everyone who believes it will have a better story faces a rude awakening in the future. That is, unless TOR turns out to be a single player/cooperative game with a monthly fee...

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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 4, 2010, 22:28
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha Mar 4, 2010, 22:28
Mar 4, 2010, 22:28
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I don't see how this is any different than anything else. Prices and promotions change. Sometimes you're going to end up paying more than someone else. Get over it.

What likely happened is that Cryptic realized their game was in rough shape and that people would be more likely to buy their game if it was cheaper and offered additional free time. Free time during which the game would presumably get some much needed fixes.

Doesn't sound like they were out to "screw" anyone. In fact, they were being wildly generous. I've never heard of 90 days free play in an MMO before.

I like how they also bitch about Lifetime Subscriptions no longer being refunded, even though they clearly stated it was non-refundable to begin with.

MMO players are some of the whiniest, most pathetic individuals in the gaming community. Combine that with Trekkies who are the whiniest most pathetic fandom in SciFi, and you've got a recipe for the worst player base in history.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
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Re: Star Trek Online Brouhaha
Mar 4, 2010, 22:18
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Snozzle wrote on Mar 4, 2010, 22:11:
The way this game is heading, that 90 days might be a lifetime subscription...
So you've played it?

Didn't think so ...
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The way this game is heading, that 90 days might be a lifetime subscription...
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