StarCraft II Protoss "Mini-Campaign"

Verno wrote on Jan 8, 2010, 12:57: Except that I don't "like" Blizzard, Blizzard simply has one of(if not) the best track record of any developer in the industry. I notice you lack counters to anything I presented below either. All you can really say is that they're splitting up the races of the sequel into separate campaigns but that doesn't appear to be a devaluing proposition for consumers considering the much larger scope and context of the new campaigns, not to mention much expanded battle.net functionality. All I'm hearing is something in same line as "wahhh I want to play Protoss fu activisionbli$$ard". When Blizzard starts releasing Aerosmith: World of Warcraft or Call of Diablo 5 then we'll chat but until then you guys don't seem to have any information nor evidence to support your arguments whereas I have a fairly large history I can point to with regards to how Blizzard treats its customers. Judge, jury and executioner before the trial even commences gentlemen? You have quite the history of being a hypocrite as well. I'm sure if you give it a year or two diablo 3 will have microtransactions and a tie in with the next CoD. In all seriousness it wouldn't suprise me. As for stalking you? Don't flatter yourself, I just call em like I see em, and its pretty aparent your whole reason for even posting on Blues is to argue with people in the first place no matter how rediculous the point you're trying to argue is. The typical internet tough guy.

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Re: StarCraft II Protoss

Jan 8, 2010, 12:57

Except that I don't "like" Blizzard, Blizzard simply has one of(if not) the best track record of any developer in the industry. I notice you lack counters to anything I presented below either. All you can really say is that they're splitting up the races of the sequel into separate campaigns but that doesn't appear to be a devaluing proposition for consumers considering the much larger scope and context of the new campaigns, not to mention much expanded battle.net functionality.

All I'm hearing is something in same line as "wahhh I want to play Protoss fu activisionbli$$ard". When Blizzard starts releasing Aerosmith: World of Warcraft or Call of Diablo 5 then we'll chat but until then you guys don't seem to have any information nor evidence to support your arguments whereas I have a fairly large history I can point to with regards to how Blizzard treats its customers. Judge, jury and executioner before the trial even commences gentlemen?

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Re: StarCraft II Protoss

Jan 8, 2010, 12:44

They made a decision not to delay the game further for which many fans are grateful despite your constant idiocy in this topic.

Here I go quote snipeing again, but this seems to be the crux of your argument. We get it. You like blizzard and nothing is going to change that.




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Re: StarCraft II Protoss

Jan 8, 2010, 09:07

RollinFool wrote on Jan 7, 2010, 16:48:
Buying some lame excuse at how great the sp is going to be just because its some blizzard dev saying it, is pretty rediculous to say the least.

What a surprise, you ignored everything except what you wanted to hear of course, that's your style of argument. Is Blizzard not the dev still patching some of their 10+ year old games? Does Blizzard not have a history of giving consumers far more value for their dollar? The whole argument hinges on Activision somehow "changing" Blizzard into some evil greedy corporate entity and the only thing you can point to is splitting up a singleplayer campaign into three portions. Not even a whole game, just the singleplayer. On a game that's taking a ridiculous amount of time to release in the first place. From the dev with the best history of customer support in the entire industry. From the dev who have given multiple interviews with programmers, artists and CM's saying Activision has a handsoff approach and lets Blizzard do whatever they want. I could go on but you're pretty thick anyways.

Price has everything, absof'inlutely everything to do with it. Hello the're packaging the single player as 3 seperate purchases for fuck sakes. Anyone who doesn't see that as a money grab is either a blind fanboy or just really neieve.

The horrific spelling aside, no one's forcing you to buy any of them. I can buy them if I want to, Blizzard is not holding a gun to my head. They made a decision not to delay the game further for which many fans are grateful despite your constant idiocy in this topic.

And I'll say it right now, I never want to see Verno bitch about DLC again from another developer with how he's defending this crap.

I'll bitch about whatever the hell I want, you can shove off there little boy, no one really cares if you like it or not. Repeating this again for you: I love how you drop into pretty much every thread I post in like some stalker because we disagreed about a topic months ago. You're a kid who holds his obsessions in high regard, aren't you? Please go back to stalking that chick from high school on facebook and let the adults chat.

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Re: StarCraft II Protoss

Jan 7, 2010, 16:48

Verno wrote on Jan 7, 2010, 08:46: Just look at the Gamestop listings for both SCII and Diablo 3 for a prime example of ol Bobby and Activision's influence going forward. MW2? 59.99, Diablo 3 and SCII? You guessed it 59.99. Price really has nothing to do with this topic and if you really cared so much, Amazon has it for $49.99. Diablo 3 doesn't even have an MSRP yet, it's literally sites just guessing. I don't see you up in arms about Australians and Europeans paying sometimes twice as much for nearly every damned game in the world. Buying some lame excuse at how great the sp is going to be just because its some blizzard dev saying it, is pretty rediculous to say the least. Enjoy paying 60x3 or in the very least 60 and 39.99 twice to get the full single player for SC2. Personally I'll be passing on it altogether as I refuse to reward the full blown cash grabbing thats happening with this title. Its a shame too, I actually liked SC1 and Broodwar. Yeah because Blizzard doesn't have a literally decade old track record of giving their consumers FAR more value for their dollar than any other company Suuuuure you'll be passing, see you in game champ. Price has everything, absof'inlutely everything to do with it. Hello the're packaging the single player as 3 seperate purchases for fuck sakes. Anyone who doesn't see that as a money grab is either a blind fanboy or just really neieve. And I'll say it right now, I never want to see Verno bitch about DLC again from another developer with how he's defending this crap.

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Re: StarCraft II Protoss "Mini-Campaign"

Jan 7, 2010, 13:37

No, it's all about price suddenly because you failed to argue any other point convincingly. If you want to make it about price go nuts but I'm not playing that game. I used to pay $70 for PC games and frankly if many of the shitty games we see these days were replaced with better versions of their older counterparts, I'd gladly pay $70 for them again.




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Re: StarCraft II Protoss

Jan 7, 2010, 13:00

Price really has nothing to do with this topic and if you really cared so much, Amazon has it for $49.99. Diablo 3 doesn't even have an MSRP yet, it's literally sites just guessing. I don't see you up in arms about Australians and Europeans paying sometimes twice as much for nearly every damned game in the world.

LOL, price has everything to do with this topic. If they had said "We're going to ship the game with only one campaign BUT we're only going to charge you $30! Then you can pay the extra $10 for the other 2 campaigns when they're ready!"

But it's $50...or $60? (No it's $50 according to gamestop).

It's a 2 sided coin, you can either raise the price of the product or drop the price of development, either way the company wants to make more money on this release and they are going to find a way to do it. It's the new "in" thing in PC gaming. Make more money than you deserve! Screw those fans! Give us our money!

And is this the basis for your confidence in blizzard?

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/blizzcon-2008-starcraft-ii/41531

Because that was an absolutely bullshit presentation. Do you want an EPIC awesome campaign? Or 3 not awesome sucky campaigns? Or do you not want the game at all for another 3 years? Well jeez if you're going to put it that way I guess we're blessed to be getting that epic campaign because they've said that making all 3 would suck or take forever and that is BAD, BOOOO.




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Re: StarCraft II Protoss "Mini-Campaign"

Jan 7, 2010, 08:46

Just look at the Gamestop listings for both SCII and Diablo 3 for a prime example of ol Bobby and Activision's influence going forward. MW2? 59.99, Diablo 3 and SCII? You guessed it 59.99.

Price really has nothing to do with this topic and if you really cared so much, Amazon has it for $49.99. Diablo 3 doesn't even have an MSRP yet, it's literally sites just guessing. I don't see you up in arms about Australians and Europeans paying sometimes twice as much for nearly every damned game in the world.

Buying some lame excuse at how great the sp is going to be just because its some blizzard dev saying it, is pretty rediculous to say the least. Enjoy paying 60x3 or in the very least 60 and 39.99 twice to get the full single player for SC2. Personally I'll be passing on it altogether as I refuse to reward the full blown cash grabbing thats happening with this title.

Its a shame too, I actually liked SC1 and Broodwar.

Yeah because Blizzard doesn't have a literally decade old track record of giving their consumers FAR more value for their dollar than any other company Rolleyes

Suuuuure you'll be passing, see you in game champ.




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Re: StarCraft II Protoss

Jan 6, 2010, 20:54

Verno wrote on Jan 6, 2010, 11:55: Again, you're not seeing the forest for the trees. They have explained multiple times why they are doing what they are doing and I'm not going to repeat myself just so it sinks in. You don't want to hear an explanation, you want to make an assumption that something has changed because you disagree with the decision. Presenting some hypothetical situation about Diablo 3 doesn't make that a reality either so I'm not going to indulge you there. Just look at the Gamestop listings for both SCII and Diablo 3 for a prime example of ol Bobby and Activision's influence going forward. MW2? 59.99, Diablo 3 and SCII? You guessed it 59.99. Buying some lame excuse at how great the sp is going to be just because its some blizzard dev saying it, is pretty rediculous to say the least. Enjoy paying 60x3 or in the very least 60 and 39.99 twice to get the full single player for SC2. Personally I'll be passing on it altogether as I refuse to reward the full blown cash grabbing thats happening with this title. Its a shame too, I actually liked SC1 and Broodwar.

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Jan 6, 2010, 11:55

Again, you're not seeing the forest for the trees. They have explained multiple times why they are doing what they are doing and I'm not going to repeat myself just so it sinks in. You don't want to hear an explanation, you want to make an assumption that something has changed because you disagree with the decision.

Presenting some hypothetical situation about Diablo 3 doesn't make that a reality either so I'm not going to indulge you there.




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Re: StarCraft II Protoss "Mini-Campaign"

Jan 6, 2010, 11:42

Yeah it's not like they've ever made any great PC games nor supported their releases a decade later

Blizzard had a sterling reputation until this whole Starcraft 2 separate campaign sales issue. So did Valve until they come up with the Left 4 Dead 2 full price sequel idea. So did Relic until they decided to include only the 1 campaign with DoW2...

Blizzard was great in the past, so were a lot of companies, but things today are not the same as they were in the past.

Would you be surprised if they announced something like this for Diablo 3? For example instead of including all three classes we're used to seeing (Warrior, Mage, Rogue) we're only getting the Warrior and the Mage so they can focus on more content for those and the rogue will be a seperate expansion pack? (they would surely come up with something more clever than this, maybe they'd just have a shorter campaign with all three, then they'd sell an additional campaign later to give players a more traditional length to the game.




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Re: StarCraft II Protoss

Jan 6, 2010, 08:40

Helps if you read the thread at all. It's been explained about 10 times already. Hang on, I'll find some crayons for you, would you like some play dough too? I love how you drop into pretty much every thread I post in like some stalker because we disagreed about a topic months ago. You're a kid who holds his obsessions in high regard, aren't you? Please go back to stalking that chick from high school on facebook and let the adults chat.

Blizzard is by far and large the single most overrated developer in the history of the industry.

Yeah it's not like they've ever made any great PC games nor supported their releases a decade later Rolleyes

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Re: StarCraft II Protoss

Jan 6, 2010, 02:25

Verno wrote on Jan 5, 2010, 15:41: No one really cares what we think about the state of PC gaming unfortunately and that's not what you were complaining about previously. Stop trying to change the subject. If any company deserves some credit and faith from consumers in this industry, it's Blizzard. If you want to rail on the woes of the market then fine but realize that on this particular topic, you are wrong. Blizzard isn't trying to make us buy the campaigns separately just for the sake of making money off DLC. There will undoubtedly be DLC anyways, it's a reality of the industry and there's plenty of good DLC, I faith Blizzard will do right by their fans there. It's a question of time and the demand for Starcraft 2 says that the majority of the fanbase is fine with waiting and paying for the other campaigns. I'll see you in game by the way. We both know it. edit: removed unnecessary harshness. Says the guy that just a few weeks ago was ranting and raving about DLC and developers cutting content to cash in on it later on. Why is it ok in this instance? Oh wait let me answer that, because its Blizzard and they can do no wrong yada yada yada. Blizzard is by far and large the single most overrated developer in the history of the industry. This comment was edited on Jan 6, 2010, 02:26.

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Re: StarCraft II Protoss

Jan 5, 2010, 16:26

I'll see you in game by the way. We both know it.

I wasn't trying to hide that fact when I said this:

I'm expecting Starcraft 2 will be an excellent game for the price even if it will be less than we typically see from Blizzard.

The MP side of the game looks good. I don't care about the SP side. I didn't care about it in DoW2 either. With any RTS game the only feature that makes me want to spend money is the MP side.

So I'm sold on this game.




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Re: StarCraft II Protoss

Jan 5, 2010, 15:41

No one really cares what we think about the state of PC gaming unfortunately and that's not what you were complaining about previously. Stop trying to change the subject. If any company deserves some credit and faith from consumers in this industry, it's Blizzard. If you want to rail on the woes of the market then fine but realize that on this particular topic, you are wrong. Blizzard isn't trying to make us buy the campaigns separately just for the sake of making money off DLC. There will undoubtedly be DLC anyways, it's a reality of the industry and there's plenty of good DLC, I faith Blizzard will do right by their fans there. It's a question of time and the demand for Starcraft 2 says that the majority of the fanbase is fine with waiting and paying for the other campaigns.

I'll see you in game by the way. We both know it.

edit: removed unnecessary harshness.

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Re: StarCraft II Protoss

Jan 5, 2010, 15:18

Blizzard has given answers to all your concerns repeatedly and the bottom line is that you don't want to believe them. It wouldn't matter if they were owned by Activision or not, you'd still be getting all raged up at the perceived lack of value when they will be delivering far more for your dollar than they did with the previous game.

You're right, I don't believe them. I don't believe most of what PC game companies are saying right now. I'm not raged up either, I'm just seeing things clearly.

Studios, devs, pubs, everyone involved is stripping out features, content, campaigns, whatever, in order to minimize the cost of making these games in order to sell them at a price people will purchase.

I believe this started a few years ago, I think of the supreme commander add on pack for some reason. I liked the main game but they wanted $40 for the expansion and I thought that was overpriced. (I ended up buying it for $20 later) I remember a lot of companies trying to push up prices on things like this and I don't think it worked. I think companies discovered that higher prices were not possible at this time as people just wouldn't buy in great enough numbers. This resulted in 2 tactics being adopted for the majority of pubs, either the game would ship with less feature (IE cost less to make, so could be sold for less) or it would come with online activations so that people would only be able to buy new copies of the game in most cases. (increasing the total revenue a game would bring in to the pub. Spend more to make more)

And this tactic has been adopted with some of the best studios as well. Relic did this with DoW2 and Tales of Valor. (Normal Price, less content) Valve did this with Left 4 Dead 2 (Higher Price, standard expansion content), Blizzard appears to be doing it with Starcraft 2 (Normal Price, less content). PC version of MW2 seems to do it to some extent... (higher price, standard content...if not less content).

The studios that do not seem to be doing this are producing console games. As crazy at it sounds the quality of content you're getting in console games (in general) is going up and in PC games it's going down while the price is basically static for both.

This isn't some rant directed only at blizzard, this appears to be Standard operating procedure for PC games going forward... I guess it's just so hard to make a buck on the PC right now that they have no choice?




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Re: StarCraft II Protoss "Mini-Campaign"

Jan 5, 2010, 14:17

There you go again, quote sniping because you have nothing to offer here. Now it's a psychological campaign that Blizzard is waging due to their corporate overlords? Stop and think about how stupid this sounds. You realize that Starcraft 2 development started long before Activision even entered into the picture?

Blizzard has given answers to all your concerns repeatedly and the bottom line is that you don't want to believe them. It wouldn't matter if they were owned by Activision or not, you'd still be getting all raged up at the perceived lack of value when they will be delivering far more for your dollar than they did with the previous game.

Blizzard's track history is long and solid, they outright cancel games not up to their standards and they consistently deliver a ridiculous amount of value for your gaming bucks. If you don't want to trust them because of the company name then whatever, that's your problem.




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Re: StarCraft II Protoss

Jan 5, 2010, 14:06