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Op Ed

Ars Technica - When religion and games intersect-and how it often goes badly.
In fact, religion seems to be such a taboo subject to include in video games that the only type of faith that really appears in titles here in the US is Christianity. Even then, the subject is often poorly addressed in games that are themselves poorly made. But why is it that religious content is so sparse in the realm of video games? The reasons are largely based on contention between religious and industry leaders, as well as the fact that you'll rarely find a topic as personal as faith.

Gamasutra - The Evolution Of The Class System In Games. Thanks Joker961.
This concept of min/maxing was something that grew out of the character design method of D&D. Depending on the character a player wanted, they could throw all of their weakness onto an irrelevant stat and turn themselves into a monster. TF2 characters are premade with this design in mind, so there’s less room for play customization, but less worry about game balance.

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115. Re: Op Ed Jan 6, 2010, 05:39 Amillennialist
 
I. Church and state, and never the twain shall meet, except when they do in the Founding Fathers

Can you cite anything I've attributed to you that you have not articulated (apart from the clearly unintentional misunderstanding of misspelled shorthand)?

You state that my comment regarding the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses "implies that the churches continued to exist because they were not contrary to the founders' intent, hence they are supported by the intent." The only problem is, that's not what I wrote.

I noted the existence of state churches well into the early decades of our nation as evidence of the fact that the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses did not "divorce all religious expression and artifacts from public life . . . ."

As for Mr. Jefferson, why do you reference his refusal to issue proclamations of thanksgiving and fasting, as did Presidents Washington and Adams?

As I've stated several times, my noting various examples of the Founding Fathers' toleration or facilitation of religious expression in the public square is not to agitate for governmental support of religion, but to demonstrate that when the Founders forbade Congress from interfering with religion in the Bill of Rights, they did not mean that religious expression in the public square was anathema.

Regardless, here's a bit from our good friend Mr. J., contrary to the beliefs of those whose hostility to religion and contempt for their fellow citizens lead them to suppose that they can misuse and misrepresent his "wall of [eternal] separation" in stifling religious liberty:

Besides the numerous, positive references to Christ and his use of public money to support religious instruction among Indians (for which I am not arguing), Jefferson also attended church services in the House of Representatives (imagine if President Bush and a Republican-controlled House had tried that!), two days after affirming to the Danbury Baptists "a wall of separation between church and state," as a matter of fact! He attended those services "constantly" for the remainder of his administration.

Jefferson also permitted various denominations to worship (four-hour communion services) in executive office buildings. He endorsed the position of the other Founding Fathers that "religion was necessary for the welfare of a republican government." Jefferson agreed with Washington's declaration in his Farewell Address that religion (Christianity) was "indispensable for the happiness and prosperity of the people" (see Jefferson's first inaugural address).

By the beginning of 1802, though Jefferson believed (as do I) that government had no business officially establishing one religion as a national church or supporting it financially or martially, it could give "friendly aids" to churches (using public property for services, for example).

And again, in citing a few phrases from the Declaration, I'm not confusing government's role with private belief as you claim. I'm merely pointing out that the Founders did not despise all interaction between church and state.

Inexplicably, you advise me against "interfering" with government's having "no powers with respect to religion," when I've been the one arguing that no organ or agent of the state has the right to suppress individual religious expression (unless such expression violates criminal code; for example, in one religion it is "beautiful" to enslave or slaughter those who refuse your "invitation" to convert).

As I've noted several times, I agree that government should not interfere with religious liberty. The point of contention here is that you equate an honor student's expressing a deeply-held conviction during a graduation address with "government interference." Using that rationale you would silence her, violating her freedoms of speech and religion.

That's tyranny.

So to save the patient, you would kill it. You can't protect religious liberty by destroying it.

(And Dan Barker clearly doesn't understand Biblical concepts of government, much of which I've articulated in this thread.)

II. Science and abiogenesis/vertical speciation by only random, natural causes, and never the twain shall meet, except in the wishful thinking of atheistic naturalists

I am not "arguing that because we haven't yet figured it out that it should be abandoned." I'm pointing out that you can't "figure out" what has never, ever, under any circumstances, been observed.

No one's observed Life arise apart from Life and Life's programs by only random, natural processes. You can apply the Scientific Method to that all you want, but you're wasting your time.

You write that "Science doesn't care about absolute proof. It cares about evidence in support of theories," but Science's only usefulness is in its absolute and exclusive reliance on observable fact.

Once you abandon that, you've abandoned Science for science fiction.

(And thank you for almost conceding my point with "science isn't going to provide absolute proof that a specific method of creating life from non-life is how life began on earth." The modifier "absolute" is superfluous; Science can't provide any proof, because no one was there to witness it.)

And you're still confusing the benefits of applying the Scientific Method to observable phenomena for evidence that unobserved/unobservable processes exist.

On the other hand, I demand empirical evidence of abiogenesis/vertical speciation by only random, natural processes. For that, you claim that I reject the Scientific Method!

As for Annenberg, their defense of AGW is enough to doubt their credibility. Do they mention the discarded data? The manipulation of raw data? The utter absence of empirical evidence for AGW? Record cold currently?

Being skeptical of them in light of those missing "mundane" details is not "an implied ad-hominem attack," it's just common sense.

Everything is possible. But we're not talking about "possible," we're talking about observable fact. When you claim that "Nothing has disproven the possibility of abiogenesis yet either," you're admitting that you've got no empirical evidence for it having occurred by only random, natural processes.

You're arguing for something as timeless and "natural" as the sun rising, it's just that no one's seen it.

You charge that "Every time I ask you to explain how this process is unscientific, you can't." Why would I call applying the Scientific Method "unscientific"? I've not called it "unscientific," just "a big waste of time."

If a person can claim anything as true and then apply the Scientific Method to studying it to see how it's possible, and that's enough for you to call it "scientific," then how can you criticize anyone as credulous?

And no, I don't call the Scientific Method "atheistic naturalism" (another example of not representing my words accurately).

I ask for empirical evidence of Man arising from muck by accident -- which you defend as "scientific" -- and you accuse me of falling back on "magic" as an explanation. You claim that asserting as true processes which have never, ever, under any circumstances been observed is "how science works."

And you say I don't understand Science.

III. The Biblical texts

For archaeology validating the Biblical texts, see compilations by Werner Keller, Norman Geisler, and Lee Strobel, which include, for example, the work of John McRay, PhD.

It's funny. You describe "the entire legal profession" as "unreliable," and as proof you offer a Google search, just as you offered Talk Origins as a rebuttal to my (unstated) Creationist arguments.

Did you actually read any of your links? The first that came up is a controlled experiment -- in other words, artificial -- from psychology, all of which you claim is "unreliable."

So, to prove a field "unreliable" you cite a field you consider . . . "unreliable"! (So, it's only "reliable" when it's saying something you like?).

To say that "You can't use scripture as evidence of the veracity of scripture . . . That's circular and defies logic," is to misunderstand what "Scripture" is. You're arguing essentially that "you can't use Thomas Jefferson as evidence of the veracity of George Washington."

It is only rational to consider the testimony of multiple eyewitnesses as evidence of the trustworthiness of any particular eyewitness.

I'm pleased that you concede that "Biblical texts [do] have . . . historical value."

With regard to their accounts of the supernatural, I understand your skepticism. That leads to the credibility of the authors.

On that point it is worth considering their accuracy in "mundane" details, their persevering in their testimony even to the point of death, and Christianity's rapid spread in the first century, especially among believing Jews who anticipated fervently the appearance of their promised Messiah and knew of the events involving Jesus of Nazareth.

You're willing to believe that Man arose from mud by accident, which no one has ever witnessed, but you reject out-of-hand one Man's rising from the grave, despite multiple eyewitness accounts.

If those who recorded Christ's words and deeds are found trustworthy in matters regarding the natural, is it rational to reject a priori their testimony regarding Christ's resurrection?

That people die for what they believe is true.

No one dies for what they know is a lie. The Apostles were present at Christ's arrest, torture, and crucifixion. They knew where He was buried. They were sure He was dead, hiding behind locked doors for fear the authorities would come for them, too.

And then they spent the rest of their lives telling anyone who would listen that Christ had risen from the dead, even though it cost them everything, including their lives.

As to your questioning my ability and/or willingness to support my points, I have offered evidence supporting "the veracity of the supernatural claims made in scripture," the corroborating testimony of multiple eyewitnesses.

And I've done better than offer links to entire sites (providing no empirical evidence supporting your position, since no one's witnessed it), I've provided the actual testimony itself.

This comment was edited on Jan 6, 2010, 20:07.
 
"The Christian religion, when ... brought to the original purity and simplicity of it's benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the human mind."

Thomas Jefferson, 1801
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  206. Feb 9, 23:53 Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  226. Feb 12, 19:01 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  242. Feb 19, 18:30 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  243. Feb 23, 02:15  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  244. Feb 23, 13:06   Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  246. Feb 23, 23:50    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  248. Feb 24, 00:30     Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  250. Feb 24, 02:00      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  254. Feb 24, 13:09       Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  255. Feb 25, 01:05        Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  256. Feb 25, 01:41         Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  257. Feb 25, 03:33          Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  258. Feb 25, 19:34           Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  259. Feb 25, 21:41            Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  260. Feb 25, 22:18             Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  263. Feb 26, 03:59              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  266. Feb 26, 19:12               Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  270. Feb 27, 15:37                Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  261. Feb 26, 02:59            Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  265. Feb 26, 19:03             Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  269. Feb 27, 14:59              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  262. Feb 26, 03:50            Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  264. Feb 26, 12:00             Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  268. Feb 27, 14:35              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  274. Mar 1, 11:18               Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  277. Mar 1, 23:37                Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  279. Mar 2, 00:23                 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  280. Mar 2, 01:02                 Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  282. Mar 3, 03:29                  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  283. Mar 3, 12:22                   Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  267. Feb 26, 20:19             Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  271. Feb 27, 16:08              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  245. Feb 23, 15:51   Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  247. Feb 23, 23:51    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  249. Feb 24, 01:20     Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  251. Feb 24, 02:14      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  252. Feb 24, 02:15      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  253. Feb 24, 02:16      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  272. Feb 27, 18:12 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  273. Mar 1, 03:45  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  275. Mar 1, 18:30   Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  276. Mar 1, 22:12    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  278. Mar 2, 00:11     Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  281. Mar 3, 02:58      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  284. Mar 3, 18:49       Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  285. Mar 4, 09:42        Re: Op Ed nin
  286. Mar 5, 00:26         Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  287. Mar 6, 03:06        Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  288. Mar 6, 04:31 Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  289. Mar 8, 10:54  Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  290. Mar 11, 21:07   Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  291. Mar 12, 12:01    Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  292. Mar 15, 19:31     Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  293. Mar 15, 22:49      Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  294. Apr 20, 02:17       Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  295. Apr 27, 13:03        Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  297. Apr 28, 02:19         Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  298. Apr 28, 14:02          Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  299. Apr 28, 14:08           Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  300. Apr 28, 16:57            Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  301. May 1, 23:54            Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  302. May 2, 01:28             Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  305. May 4, 22:32              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  306. May 4, 23:42               Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  308. May 5, 01:09                Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  303. May 2, 17:56             Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  304. May 2, 19:46              Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  307. May 4, 23:48              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  296. Apr 28, 00:10 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  309. May 5, 01:33 Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  310. May 5, 01:43  Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  311. May 5, 01:46   Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  314. May 5, 02:58   Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  318. May 12, 05:18   Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Amillennialist
  320. May 12, 13:36    Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Wowbagger_TIP
  321. May 17, 00:08     Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Amillennialist
  322. May 17, 09:32      Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Wowbagger_TIP
  323. May 18, 00:54       Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Amillennialist
  324. May 18, 01:35       Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Amillennialist
  325. May 18, 12:04        Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Wowbagger_TIP
  326. May 20, 03:34         Loose ends Amillennialist
  327. May 20, 18:33          Re: Loose ends Wowbagger_TIP
  328. May 20, 19:09           Re: Loose ends  Blue 
  331. Jul 9, 01:46            Re: Loose ends The Opera Ghost
  332. Jul 9, 07:32             Re: Loose ends Beamer
  333. Jul 9, 08:28             Re: Loose ends nin
  335. Jul 9, 09:50             Re: Loose ends  Blue 
  312. May 5, 02:20 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  313. May 5, 02:52  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  317. May 5, 21:19   Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  319. May 12, 05:45    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  315. May 5, 03:14 Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  316. May 5, 09:30  Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  329. May 20, 19:58 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  330. May 20, 23:10  Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  334. Jul 9, 09:45 Re: Op Ed Sepharo


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