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Op Ed

Ars Technica - When religion and games intersect-and how it often goes badly.
In fact, religion seems to be such a taboo subject to include in video games that the only type of faith that really appears in titles here in the US is Christianity. Even then, the subject is often poorly addressed in games that are themselves poorly made. But why is it that religious content is so sparse in the realm of video games? The reasons are largely based on contention between religious and industry leaders, as well as the fact that you'll rarely find a topic as personal as faith.

Gamasutra - The Evolution Of The Class System In Games. Thanks Joker961.
This concept of min/maxing was something that grew out of the character design method of D&D. Depending on the character a player wanted, they could throw all of their weakness onto an irrelevant stat and turn themselves into a monster. TF2 characters are premade with this design in mind, so there’s less room for play customization, but less worry about game balance.

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87. Re: Op Ed Dec 31, 2009, 00:34 Amillennialist
 
Jason,

No - I claim that for matters where the text coincides so strongly the sensible explanation is that they all drew from the same WITNESS or source.

(I took "they in fact reflect the statements . . . of ONE person" to mean "one author."

I apologize for misunderstanding what you intended.)

If multiple accounts describe the same event, then the accounts should naturally be similar (not necessarily identical).

Mark 5:1-21 and its parallels (Matthew 8:28-9:1 and Luke 8:26-40) are instructive here.

Not only are they not "word-for-word, and paragraph for paragraph," but each of the Gospel writers include details the others don't (even to the point of Matthew noting two demon-possessed men, while Mark and Luke mention only one). This is consistent with independent accounts/recollections, not multiple authors copying from one source.

(Do you happen to know of any actual "word-for-word, and paragraph for paragraph" accounts in the Synoptics?)

Which makes them not witnesses themselves to great parts of their narratives. Which returns to my original point about there not actually being that many witnesses.

Even if Matthew, Mark, and Luke used a single source (unlikely for the reasons noted above), that wouldn't mean that Matthew, Peter (whose words Mark recorded), and all the eyewitnesses whose testimony Luke collected were not actual eyewitnesses to the events they described.

"Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses . . . have delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account . . . " (Luke 1).

them/us. its a clear distinction, in this translation and in most of the translations, and translation is also an issue here.

Luke states that he was compiling what eyewitnesses had delivered to the Church. That means his Gospel related eyewitness testimony.

The beloved disciple is a deliberate ploy to hide the authorship of Johns. Someone else tells me its Lazarus. Who do I believe, and why?

Early Christian testimony affirms John as the author, and "beloved" fits what we know of John from the other Gospels.

If that's not enough . . .

-John was a member of Jesus' inner circle, one of only three Apostles whom Christ allowed to witness His transfiguration;

-one member of that inner circle was John's brother James, and he was martyred c. AD 44, before John's Gospel was authored, so it couldn't have been him (Peter was the other);

-the references in his Gospel to other witnesses ("we") is found repeatedly in John's Epistles, which are signed;

-John's authorship was not seriously questioned until the eighteenth century;

-the earliest extant manuscripts of John (dating back to the fourth century) state that John is the author;

-Syrian, Coptic, and Old Latin Gospel translations dating back to the second century also record John as the author;

-St. Dionysius of Alexandria (264-5) took for granted that John had written the Gospel attributed to him;

-So did Origen (d. 254);

-Origen's teacher, Clement of Alexandria (d. before 215-6) says that "the tradition of the old presbyters" is that John wrote his Gospel;

-St. Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons (d. about 202), whose teacher Polycarp was a disciple of John cites in his works at least one hundred verses from John's Gospel with the words, "as John, the disciple of the Lord, says;"

-St. Irenaeus wrote also "Later John, the disciple of the Lord who rested on His breast, also wrote a Gospel, while he was residing at Ephesus in Asia" (Adv. Haer., III, i, n. 2);

-around AD 170, the author of the Muratorian Fragment (lines 9-34), credits John as the author;

-Bishop Theophilus of Antioch in Syria (before 181) cites the beginning of the Gospel as John's words (Ad Autolycum, II, xxii);

-Codex Regin Sueci seu Alexandrinus, 14, testifies that Bishop Papias of Hierapolis in Phrygia, a disciple of the Apostle John, recounted "the composition of the Gospel by St. John during which he had been employed as scribe by the Apostle."

I had always heard that "The disciple whom Jesus loved" was an expression of humility, that Christ loved even him.

And we know all the problems with Papias, namely his work is gone, and only exists in quotes in other reconstructed or retranslated works.

Which doesn't discredit him.

Which are largely contentious dates.

Anyone can lie.

So, even if it were "the oldest" -- which it may not be -- you still have eyewitness testimony from the others regarding the Resurrection.

as you point out yourself, the dates are contentious.

AD 50, 50-60, and 55-60 are a problem?

Yes, the ending of Mark and the account of the woman caught in adultery do not appear in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts we possess, so they should not have been included.

None of which means they are necessarily fabrications, for John writes that "there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written" (John 21:25).

Yes, the bible doesn't disprove many thesis's. Otherwise it would be non contentious, and we'd all be Christians via deductive reasoning.

The problem is not that people possess insufficient evidence regarding the Christ; it's that they're unwilling to admit the truth about that evidence.

And the point I was making is that demonstrable error is far larger than typo's. Which can alter meaning.

Where is doctrine altered? Significant fact?

First, Romans knew how to crucify a person.

Which oddly enough, according to gospels, the procedure was much abridged in this case - 6 hours, no leg breaking to ensure suffocation, and both men alongside Jesus were apparently not dead, and needed leg breaking.

Are you referring to the "abrupt" ending, Christ's dying first, or the leg-breaking?

According to John, so that the bodies would not remain on the crosses on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders asked Pilate to have the legs of the prisoners broken so that they would die more quickly and then the bodies removed.

You're not the first with this fiction:

"some of the guard went into the city and told the chief priests all that had taken place [the Resurrection]. And when they had assembled with the elders and taken counsel, they gave a sufficient sum of money to the soldiers and said, "Tell people, 'His disciples came by night and stole him away while we were asleep.' And if this comes to the governor's ears, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble." So they took the money and did as they were directed. And this story has been spread among the Jews to this day" (Matthew 28:11-15).

So the guards are reliable witnesses, but on the take at the same time?

That's like arguing, "So the Jewish authorities are reliable witnesses, but trying to cover up the Resurrection at the same time?"

The guards here were being reported on by Matthew, not reporting to him.

You're two thousand years too late.

You mean it was obvious even to the author at the time ?

The Jewish authorities came up with the "They stole the body!" fantasy two-thousand years before you did.

You only need one part -- the living Christ -- and on numerous occasions He appeared to His followers, including 500 at one time.

and how many of those 500 people were sufficiently close, wrote down what they saw, or could tell Jesus from a superficially similar person ?

All of them, or they would not have had their testimony considered credible:

"For I [the Apostle Paul] delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.

"Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God" (1 Corinthians 15:3-9).

In other words this could be interpreted as "Luke wrote that Peter said that he witnessed 500 people saw floating animated Jesus at the same time". (insert suitable authors/figures to taste). Realistically we probably come back down to 1 witness account, written 25 years+ afterwards.

No, this is Paul noting that five hundred people encountered the resurrected Christ on one particular occasion, many of them still living at the time he wrote that Epistle.

We've already gone over why this is not many eye-witness accounts

As I noted previously, Matthew and John were Apostles and eyewitnesses of Christ's words and deeds from the beginning of His public ministry; so was Peter, and Mark wrote down his eyewitness testimony; and Luke created an "orderly account" of just what "those who were from the beginning eyewitnesses . . . had delivered" to the Church.

you've even quoted where Luke makes the distinction, and Luke was a companion of Paul, and Paul is only clearly an eyewitness to Jesus after the death, which means nobody is sure if he could actually identify a voice as belonging to Jesus other than by accepting the words as he heard them as true.

As just noted, Luke arranged what "eyewitnesses" -- not just Paul -- had delivered (a technical term describing the transmission of oral tradition) to the Church.

Paul knew it was Christ because Jesus identified Himself.

He also received the same teachings from Christ, independent of the Twelve, healed the sick, raised the dead, and saw heaven.

Round and round we go. The gospels won't prove your assumptions about authors anymore than it will mine, which remains my fundamental point.

I've stated facts regarding the texts, not "tried to prove my assumptions."

But if Paul says, "Christ spoke to me," your response is, "Who's Paul?"

Complete fabrication.

"and it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance"

You wrote: "Luke . . . describes the appearances to other people, who also were in a trance!"

You reference Acts 22 in which Paul, not Luke, was relating not a resurrection appearance, but a warning from Christ about leaving Jerusalem.
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"The Christian religion, when ... brought to the original purity and simplicity of it's benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the human mind."

Thomas Jefferson, 1801
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  160. Jan 24, 21:12     Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  161. Jan 24, 22:50      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  166. Jan 25, 19:42       Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  169. Jan 26, 19:45        Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  171. Jan 26, 21:49 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  172. Jan 28, 02:55  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  174. Jan 28, 08:56   Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  176. Jan 30, 22:16    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  186. Feb 1, 09:02 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  189. Feb 2, 00:17  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  195. Feb 3, 20:29 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  196. Feb 5, 07:43  Re: Op Ed rocketpcguy
  199. Feb 6, 17:08   Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  200. Feb 6, 20:45    Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  202. Feb 8, 13:50     Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  197. Feb 6, 15:07  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  206. Feb 9, 23:53 Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  226. Feb 12, 19:01 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  242. Feb 19, 18:30 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  243. Feb 23, 02:15  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  244. Feb 23, 13:06   Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  246. Feb 23, 23:50    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  248. Feb 24, 00:30     Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  250. Feb 24, 02:00      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  254. Feb 24, 13:09       Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  255. Feb 25, 01:05        Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  256. Feb 25, 01:41         Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  257. Feb 25, 03:33          Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  258. Feb 25, 19:34           Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  259. Feb 25, 21:41            Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  260. Feb 25, 22:18             Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  263. Feb 26, 03:59              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  266. Feb 26, 19:12               Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  270. Feb 27, 15:37                Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  261. Feb 26, 02:59            Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  265. Feb 26, 19:03             Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  269. Feb 27, 14:59              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  262. Feb 26, 03:50            Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  264. Feb 26, 12:00             Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  268. Feb 27, 14:35              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  274. Mar 1, 11:18               Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  277. Mar 1, 23:37                Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  279. Mar 2, 00:23                 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  280. Mar 2, 01:02                 Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  282. Mar 3, 03:29                  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  283. Mar 3, 12:22                   Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  267. Feb 26, 20:19             Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  271. Feb 27, 16:08              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  245. Feb 23, 15:51   Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  247. Feb 23, 23:51    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  249. Feb 24, 01:20     Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  251. Feb 24, 02:14      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  252. Feb 24, 02:15      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  253. Feb 24, 02:16      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  272. Feb 27, 18:12 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  273. Mar 1, 03:45  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  275. Mar 1, 18:30   Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  276. Mar 1, 22:12    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  278. Mar 2, 00:11     Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  281. Mar 3, 02:58      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  284. Mar 3, 18:49       Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  285. Mar 4, 09:42        Re: Op Ed nin
  286. Mar 5, 00:26         Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  287. Mar 6, 03:06        Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  288. Mar 6, 04:31 Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  289. Mar 8, 10:54  Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  290. Mar 11, 21:07   Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  291. Mar 12, 12:01    Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  292. Mar 15, 19:31     Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  293. Mar 15, 22:49      Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  294. Apr 20, 02:17       Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  295. Apr 27, 13:03        Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  297. Apr 28, 02:19         Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  298. Apr 28, 14:02          Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  299. Apr 28, 14:08           Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  300. Apr 28, 16:57            Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  301. May 1, 23:54            Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  302. May 2, 01:28             Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  305. May 4, 22:32              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  306. May 4, 23:42               Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  308. May 5, 01:09                Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  303. May 2, 17:56             Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  304. May 2, 19:46              Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  307. May 4, 23:48              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  296. Apr 28, 00:10 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  309. May 5, 01:33 Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  310. May 5, 01:43  Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  311. May 5, 01:46   Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  314. May 5, 02:58   Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  318. May 12, 05:18   Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Amillennialist
  320. May 12, 13:36    Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Wowbagger_TIP
  321. May 17, 00:08     Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Amillennialist
  322. May 17, 09:32      Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Wowbagger_TIP
  323. May 18, 00:54       Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Amillennialist
  324. May 18, 01:35       Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Amillennialist
  325. May 18, 12:04        Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Wowbagger_TIP
  326. May 20, 03:34         Loose ends Amillennialist
  327. May 20, 18:33          Re: Loose ends Wowbagger_TIP
  328. May 20, 19:09           Re: Loose ends  Blue 
  331. Jul 9, 01:46            Re: Loose ends The Opera Ghost
  332. Jul 9, 07:32             Re: Loose ends Beamer
  333. Jul 9, 08:28             Re: Loose ends nin
  335. Jul 9, 09:50             Re: Loose ends  Blue 
  312. May 5, 02:20 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  313. May 5, 02:52  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  317. May 5, 21:19   Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  319. May 12, 05:45    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  315. May 5, 03:14 Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  316. May 5, 09:30  Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  329. May 20, 19:58 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  330. May 20, 23:10  Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  334. Jul 9, 09:45 Re: Op Ed Sepharo


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