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No - I claim that for matters where the text coincides so strongly the sensible explanation is that they all drew from the same WITNESS or source. (I took "they in fact reflect the statements . . . of ONE person" to mean "one author."
I apologize for misunderstanding what you intended.)
If multiple accounts describe the same event, then the accounts should naturally be similar (not necessarily identical).
Mark 5:1-21 and its parallels (Matthew 8:28-9:1 and Luke 8:26-40) are instructive here.
Not only are they not "word-for-word, and paragraph for paragraph," but each of the Gospel writers include details the others don't (even to the point of Matthew noting two demon-possessed men, while Mark and Luke mention only one). This is consistent with independent accounts/recollections, not multiple authors copying from one source.
(Do you happen to know of any actual "word-for-word, and paragraph for paragraph" accounts in the Synoptics?)
Which makes them not witnesses themselves to great parts of their narratives. Which returns to my original point about there not actually being that many witnesses. Even if Matthew, Mark, and Luke used a single source (unlikely for the reasons noted above), that wouldn't mean that Matthew, Peter (whose words Mark recorded), and all the eyewitnesses whose testimony Luke collected were not actual eyewitnesses to the events they described.
"Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses . . . have delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account . . . " (Luke 1). them/us. its a clear distinction, in this translation and in most of the translations, and translation is also an issue here.
Luke states that he was compiling what eyewitnesses had delivered to the Church. That means his Gospel related eyewitness testimony.
The beloved disciple is a deliberate ploy to hide the authorship of Johns. Someone else tells me its Lazarus. Who do I believe, and why? Early Christian testimony affirms John as the author, and "beloved" fits what we know of John from the other Gospels.
If that's not enough . . .
-John was a member of Jesus' inner circle, one of only three Apostles whom Christ allowed to witness His transfiguration;
-one member of that inner circle was John's brother James, and he was martyred c. AD 44, before John's Gospel was authored, so it couldn't have been him (Peter was the other);
-the references in his Gospel to other witnesses ("we") is found repeatedly in John's Epistles, which are signed;
-John's authorship was not seriously questioned until the eighteenth century;
-the earliest extant manuscripts of John (dating back to the fourth century) state that John is the author;
-Syrian, Coptic, and Old Latin Gospel translations dating back to the second century also record John as the author;
-St. Dionysius of Alexandria (264-5) took for granted that John had written the Gospel attributed to him;
-So did Origen (d. 254);
-Origen's teacher, Clement of Alexandria (d. before 215-6) says that "the tradition of the old presbyters" is that John wrote his Gospel;
-St. Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons (d. about 202), whose teacher Polycarp was a disciple of John cites in his works at least one hundred verses from John's Gospel with the words, "as John, the disciple of the Lord, says;"
-St. Irenaeus wrote also "Later John, the disciple of the Lord who rested on His breast, also wrote a Gospel, while he was residing at Ephesus in Asia" (Adv. Haer., III, i, n. 2);
-around AD 170, the author of the Muratorian Fragment (lines 9-34), credits John as the author;
-Bishop Theophilus of Antioch in Syria (before 181) cites the beginning of the Gospel as John's words (Ad Autolycum, II, xxii);
-Codex Regin Sueci seu Alexandrinus, 14, testifies that Bishop Papias of Hierapolis in Phrygia, a disciple of the Apostle John, recounted "the composition of the Gospel by St. John during which he had been employed as scribe by the Apostle."
I had always heard that "The disciple whom Jesus loved" was an expression of humility, that Christ loved even him.
And we know all the problems with Papias, namely his work is gone, and only exists in quotes in other reconstructed or retranslated works. Which doesn't discredit him.
Which are largely contentious dates. Anyone can lie.
So, even if it were "the oldest" -- which it may not be -- you still have eyewitness testimony from the others regarding the Resurrection. as you point out yourself, the dates are contentious.
AD 50, 50-60, and 55-60 are a problem?
Yes, the ending of Mark and the account of the woman caught in adultery do not appear in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts we possess, so they should not have been included.
None of which means they are necessarily fabrications, for John writes that "there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written" (John 21:25). Yes, the bible doesn't disprove many thesis's. Otherwise it would be non contentious, and we'd all be Christians via deductive reasoning.
The problem is not that people possess insufficient evidence regarding the Christ; it's that they're unwilling to admit the truth about that evidence.
And the point I was making is that demonstrable error is far larger than typo's. Which can alter meaning. Where is doctrine altered? Significant fact?
First, Romans knew how to crucify a person. Which oddly enough, according to gospels, the procedure was much abridged in this case - 6 hours, no leg breaking to ensure suffocation, and both men alongside Jesus were apparently not dead, and needed leg breaking.
Are you referring to the "abrupt" ending, Christ's dying first, or the leg-breaking?
According to John, so that the bodies would not remain on the crosses on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders asked Pilate to have the legs of the prisoners broken so that they would die more quickly and then the bodies removed.
You're not the first with this fiction:
"some of the guard went into the city and told the chief priests all that had taken place [the Resurrection]. And when they had assembled with the elders and taken counsel, they gave a sufficient sum of money to the soldiers and said, "Tell people, 'His disciples came by night and stole him away while we were asleep.' And if this comes to the governor's ears, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble." So they took the money and did as they were directed. And this story has been spread among the Jews to this day" (Matthew 28:11-15). So the guards are reliable witnesses, but on the take at the same time?
That's like arguing, "So the Jewish authorities are reliable witnesses, but trying to cover up the Resurrection at the same time?"
The guards here were being reported on by Matthew, not reporting to him.
You're two thousand years too late. You mean it was obvious even to the author at the time ?
The Jewish authorities came up with the "They stole the body!" fantasy two-thousand years before you did.
You only need one part -- the living Christ -- and on numerous occasions He appeared to His followers, including 500 at one time.
and how many of those 500 people were sufficiently close, wrote down what they saw, or could tell Jesus from a superficially similar person ?
All of them, or they would not have had their testimony considered credible:
"For I [the Apostle Paul] delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
"Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God" (1 Corinthians 15:3-9).
In other words this could be interpreted as "Luke wrote that Peter said that he witnessed 500 people saw floating animated Jesus at the same time". (insert suitable authors/figures to taste). Realistically we probably come back down to 1 witness account, written 25 years+ afterwards. No, this is Paul noting that five hundred people encountered the resurrected Christ on one particular occasion, many of them still living at the time he wrote that Epistle.
We've already gone over why this is not many eye-witness accounts As I noted previously, Matthew and John were Apostles and eyewitnesses of Christ's words and deeds from the beginning of His public ministry; so was Peter, and Mark wrote down his eyewitness testimony; and Luke created an "orderly account" of just what "those who were from the beginning eyewitnesses . . . had delivered" to the Church.
you've even quoted where Luke makes the distinction, and Luke was a companion of Paul, and Paul is only clearly an eyewitness to Jesus after the death, which means nobody is sure if he could actually identify a voice as belonging to Jesus other than by accepting the words as he heard them as true. As just noted, Luke arranged what "eyewitnesses" -- not just Paul -- had delivered (a technical term describing the transmission of oral tradition) to the Church.
Paul knew it was Christ because Jesus identified Himself.
He also received the same teachings from Christ, independent of the Twelve, healed the sick, raised the dead, and saw heaven.
Round and round we go. The gospels won't prove your assumptions about authors anymore than it will mine, which remains my fundamental point. I've stated facts regarding the texts, not "tried to prove my assumptions."
But if Paul says, "Christ spoke to me," your response is, "Who's Paul?"
Complete fabrication. "and it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance"
You wrote: "Luke . . . describes the appearances to other people, who also were in a trance!"
You reference Acts 22 in which Paul, not Luke, was relating not a resurrection appearance, but a warning from Christ about leaving Jerusalem. This comment was edited on Dec 31, 2009, 01:09. |
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Dec 31, 00:34 |
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Amillennialist |
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50. |
Dec 28, 18:15 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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54. |
Dec 28, 22:23 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
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55. |
Dec 29, 09:24 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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58. |
Dec 29, 15:42 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
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59. |
Dec 29, 16:03 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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61. |
Dec 29, 17:02 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
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62. |
Dec 29, 17:59 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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66. |
Dec 29, 21:54 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
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69. |
Dec 30, 01:23 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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71. |
Dec 30, 04:18 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
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75. |
Dec 30, 09:31 |
Re: Op Ed |
Pankin |
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76. |
Dec 30, 09:41 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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77. |
Dec 30, 10:47 |
Re: Op Ed |
nin |
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78. |
Dec 30, 11:46 |
Re: Op Ed |
Pankin |
| |
79. |
Dec 30, 11:57 |
Re: Op Ed |
nin |
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84. |
Dec 30, 19:55 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
81. |
Dec 30, 13:25 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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88. |
Dec 31, 03:32 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
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89. |
Dec 31, 03:47 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
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90. |
Dec 31, 04:31 |
Re: Op Ed |
Kosumo |
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96. |
Dec 31, 15:32 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
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93. |
Dec 31, 12:18 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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92. |
Dec 31, 11:00 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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51. |
Dec 28, 18:16 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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20. |
Dec 27, 17:07 |
Religious gamers... |
UnderLord |
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30. |
Dec 28, 00:21 |
Re: Op Ed |
StreetPreacher |
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35. |
Dec 28, 03:42 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
31. |
Dec 28, 00:37 |
Re: Op Ed |
space captain |
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36. |
Dec 28, 04:14 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
85. |
Dec 30, 21:52 |
Re: Op Ed |
The PC Warrior |
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95. |
Dec 31, 15:25 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
91. |
Dec 31, 10:30 |
Re: Op Ed |
space captain |
| |
97. |
Dec 31, 16:03 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
98. |
Dec 31, 16:28 |
Re: Op Ed |
space captain |
| |
99. |
Dec 31, 17:24 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
102. |
Jan 2, 15:45 |
Re: Op Ed |
Pankin |
| |
103. |
Jan 2, 16:19 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
104. |
Jan 2, 21:16 |
Re: Op Ed |
Pankin |
| |
105. |
Jan 3, 19:47 |
Re: Op Ed |
Jerykk |
| |
109. |
Jan 4, 03:00 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
111. |
Jan 4, 15:49 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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113. |
Jan 5, 04:51 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
126. |
Jan 15, 22:54 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
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127. |
Jan 16, 00:18 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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128. |
Jan 16, 01:18 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
136. |
Jan 18, 23:23 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
154. |
Jan 22, 19:39 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
156. |
Jan 23, 03:02 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
157. |
Jan 23, 14:03 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
159. |
Jan 24, 20:51 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
160. |
Jan 24, 21:12 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
161. |
Jan 24, 22:50 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
166. |
Jan 25, 19:42 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
169. |
Jan 26, 19:45 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
171. |
Jan 26, 21:49 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
172. |
Jan 28, 02:55 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
174. |
Jan 28, 08:56 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
176. |
Jan 30, 22:16 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
186. |
Feb 1, 09:02 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
189. |
Feb 2, 00:17 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
195. |
Feb 3, 20:29 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
196. |
Feb 5, 07:43 |
Re: Op Ed |
rocketpcguy |
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199. |
Feb 6, 17:08 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
200. |
Feb 6, 20:45 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
202. |
Feb 8, 13:50 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
197. |
Feb 6, 15:07 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
206. |
Feb 9, 23:53 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
226. |
Feb 12, 19:01 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
242. |
Feb 19, 18:30 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
243. |
Feb 23, 02:15 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
244. |
Feb 23, 13:06 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
246. |
Feb 23, 23:50 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
248. |
Feb 24, 00:30 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
250. |
Feb 24, 02:00 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
254. |
Feb 24, 13:09 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
255. |
Feb 25, 01:05 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
256. |
Feb 25, 01:41 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
257. |
Feb 25, 03:33 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
258. |
Feb 25, 19:34 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
259. |
Feb 25, 21:41 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
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260. |
Feb 25, 22:18 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
263. |
Feb 26, 03:59 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
266. |
Feb 26, 19:12 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
270. |
Feb 27, 15:37 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
261. |
Feb 26, 02:59 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
265. |
Feb 26, 19:03 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
269. |
Feb 27, 14:59 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
262. |
Feb 26, 03:50 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
264. |
Feb 26, 12:00 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
268. |
Feb 27, 14:35 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
274. |
Mar 1, 11:18 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
277. |
Mar 1, 23:37 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
279. |
Mar 2, 00:23 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
280. |
Mar 2, 01:02 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
282. |
Mar 3, 03:29 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
283. |
Mar 3, 12:22 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
267. |
Feb 26, 20:19 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
271. |
Feb 27, 16:08 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
245. |
Feb 23, 15:51 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
247. |
Feb 23, 23:51 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
249. |
Feb 24, 01:20 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
251. |
Feb 24, 02:14 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
252. |
Feb 24, 02:15 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
253. |
Feb 24, 02:16 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
272. |
Feb 27, 18:12 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
273. |
Mar 1, 03:45 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
275. |
Mar 1, 18:30 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
276. |
Mar 1, 22:12 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
278. |
Mar 2, 00:11 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
281. |
Mar 3, 02:58 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
284. |
Mar 3, 18:49 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
285. |
Mar 4, 09:42 |
Re: Op Ed |
nin |
| |
286. |
Mar 5, 00:26 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
287. |
Mar 6, 03:06 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
288. |
Mar 6, 04:31 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
289. |
Mar 8, 10:54 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
290. |
Mar 11, 21:07 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
291. |
Mar 12, 12:01 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
292. |
Mar 15, 19:31 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
293. |
Mar 15, 22:49 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
294. |
Apr 20, 02:17 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
295. |
Apr 27, 13:03 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
297. |
Apr 28, 02:19 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
298. |
Apr 28, 14:02 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
299. |
Apr 28, 14:08 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
300. |
Apr 28, 16:57 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
301. |
May 1, 23:54 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
302. |
May 2, 01:28 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
305. |
May 4, 22:32 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
306. |
May 4, 23:42 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
308. |
May 5, 01:09 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
303. |
May 2, 17:56 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
304. |
May 2, 19:46 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
307. |
May 4, 23:48 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
296. |
Apr 28, 00:10 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
309. |
May 5, 01:33 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
310. |
May 5, 01:43 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
311. |
May 5, 01:46 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
314. |
May 5, 02:58 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
318. |
May 12, 05:18 |
Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving |
Amillennialist |
| |
320. |
May 12, 13:36 |
Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
321. |
May 17, 00:08 |
Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving |
Amillennialist |
| |
322. |
May 17, 09:32 |
Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
323. |
May 18, 00:54 |
Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving |
Amillennialist |
| |
324. |
May 18, 01:35 |
Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving |
Amillennialist |
| |
325. |
May 18, 12:04 |
Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
326. |
May 20, 03:34 |
Loose ends |
Amillennialist |
| |
327. |
May 20, 18:33 |
Re: Loose ends |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
328. |
May 20, 19:09 |
Re: Loose ends |
Blue |
| |
331. |
Jul 9, 01:46 |
Re: Loose ends |
The Opera Ghost |
| |
332. |
Jul 9, 07:32 |
Re: Loose ends |
Beamer |
| |
333. |
Jul 9, 08:28 |
Re: Loose ends |
nin |
| |
335. |
Jul 9, 09:50 |
Re: Loose ends |
Blue |
| |
312. |
May 5, 02:20 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
313. |
May 5, 02:52 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
317. |
May 5, 21:19 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
319. |
May 12, 05:45 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
315. |
May 5, 03:14 |
Re: Op Ed |
Amillennialist |
| |
316. |
May 5, 09:30 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
329. |
May 20, 19:58 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
| |
330. |
May 20, 23:10 |
Re: Op Ed |
Wowbagger_TIP |
| |
334. |
Jul 9, 09:45 |
Re: Op Ed |
Sepharo |
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