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Op Ed

Ars Technica - When religion and games intersect-and how it often goes badly.
In fact, religion seems to be such a taboo subject to include in video games that the only type of faith that really appears in titles here in the US is Christianity. Even then, the subject is often poorly addressed in games that are themselves poorly made. But why is it that religious content is so sparse in the realm of video games? The reasons are largely based on contention between religious and industry leaders, as well as the fact that you'll rarely find a topic as personal as faith.

Gamasutra - The Evolution Of The Class System In Games. Thanks Joker961.
This concept of min/maxing was something that grew out of the character design method of D&D. Depending on the character a player wanted, they could throw all of their weakness onto an irrelevant stat and turn themselves into a monster. TF2 characters are premade with this design in mind, so there’s less room for play customization, but less worry about game balance.

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74. Re: Op Ed Dec 30, 2009, 07:23 Amillennialist
 
That's a good try, Jason.

Jason wrote on Dec 30, 2009, 04:22:
3 of the gospels share text to the point of word-for-word, and paragraph for paragraph, in many places

Common details in accounts of Christ's life are evidence of neither anonymity nor a single author, but of . . . common details.

often with obvious edits that indicate one text was edited from the other. The natural conclusion is that for many of the events covered in those _3 gospels_, that they in fact reflect the statements (accurate or not) of ONE person.

"natural" only to those ignorant of the texts.

Yes, in places the wording is so similar that it appears that authors borrowed from one another. Rather than argue that (which is reasonable, but just speculation), you claim it was "ONE" author.

What do you do, then, with the differences?

You're claiming that your fictional "ONE person" wrote in Greek for his "first" Gospel (Mark is from around AD 50-60, Matthew AD 50, so we don't know which was first, yet), attributed it to someone named Mark, just happened to write down what Peter regularly preached (and approved on later review), and left out context and chronology consistent with writing from memory someone's oral preaching.

You're claiming that your fabricated "ONE person" who first wrote Mark in Greek then decided to write in Hebrew specifically to a Jewish audience, attribute it to a Jew named Matthew this time, incorporate a genealogy of Christ unique to that Gospel in that it traces Jesus' ancestry back to Abraham through David, added (discovered? made up?) context and chronology missing from the earlier version (if Mark was first composed), and mention the Kingdom of God/Heaven 48 times.

You're claiming that after writing in Greek for Mark and Hebrew for Matthew, your imaginary "ONE person" decided then to write (AD 55-60) as a Gentile doctor named Luke, supply another genealogy emphasizing Christ-for-all-people by tracing His ancestry to Adam, write this time in step-parallelism, and add insights and events not found in his/her/its previous two versions.

That's entia multiplicanda praeter necessitatem!

Furthermore Luke states within its own text to not be an eye-witness account itself.

Here's what Luke wrote regarding his Gospel. Note the eyewitness testimony:

"Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses . . . have delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account . . . " (Luke 1).

The Apostle John himself -- author of his Gospel, three Epistles, and Revelation -- lived to the end of the first century.

Yes, and he could have been anywhere between 60 and 90 years old when writing his version of events, 30-50 years after the events took place, and he was not demonstrably present at the crucifixion or the tomb.

But John says he was present during the crucifixion:

"Many of the Jews read this inscription, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and it was written in Aramaic, in Latin, and in Greek . . .

"When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved [John] standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold, your son!" Then he said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home" (John 19:20, 26-27).

And at the empty tomb:

"Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. So she ran and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him." So Peter went out with the other disciple, and they were going toward the tomb . . . the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went in, and he saw and believed; for as yet they did not understand the Scripture, that he must rise from the dead" (John 20).

Which makes no difference as to the date, number and veracity of stated accounts, which are all secondhand.

Resoundingly, demonstrably false, as shown above and in this: Besides Luke and John taking credit for their work, we have also Aristion and John the Presbyter (first-century); Clement of Rome (c. AD 96); and Papias (c. AD 60-130), bishop of Hierapolis in Asia Minor, testifying to their authorship.

Eusebius records that Mark, one of Peter's disciples "and the one whose Gospel is extant," recorded the content of Peter's oral teaching (the work receiving later Peter's endorsement); that Matthew and John composed their Gospels "under the pressure of necessity;" and that John, having received all three Synoptic Gospels, "accepted them and bore witness to their truthfulness," but noted that all lacked "an account of the deeds done by Christ at the beginning of His ministry."

No, the oldest statements, ie the empty tomb statement, where only an angel attests to the resurrection.

As noted above: Matthew, AD 50; Mark, AD 50-60; Luke, AD 55-60; and Paul's letter to the Galatians, AD 51.

So, even if it were "the oldest" -- which it may not be -- you still have eyewitness testimony from the others regarding the Resurrection.

(What do you think Peter, whose testimony Mark records, was preaching all those years?)

The fact that we can state that these passages do not appear in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts means that we know so much about the ancient texts that we can point out what is an addendum or copying error.

Which is my point. You can't attest to the accuracy via this method, and then not accept the issues with Mark.

Since the "issues" with Mark are either factual errors, misunderstandings, or faulty reasoning, that should settle it.

Remove the entire statement altogether, or replace the entire statement with a totally different sentence, and you get a larger difference in the document meaning than fixing a typo.

Yes, the ending of Mark and the account of the woman caught in adultery do not appear in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts we possess, so they should not have been included.

None of which means they are necessarily fabrications, for John writes that "there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written" (John 21:25).

Significantly, these (apparent) additions do not contradict Scripture.

(Also important is the fact that being able to state clearly that a particular passage does not appear in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts means that we are able to state clearly what does appear in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts!

That should be a source of confidence for the discerning mind.)

The forwards to later editions, which I happen to have read recently, and tolkiens own notes, actually describe much of the error introduced in typesetting of the Lord of the Rings, and the Lord of the Rings has never been represented as anything but fiction, so it just doesn't matter as much.

The point I was making was that typos alter or abolish neither the authorship, message, nor value of a text.

If Christ were still dead, the tomb would have been sealed with the corpse inside.

Or someone moved the . . . body. Or he wasn't actually dead. Occams razor.

That's the simplest logical explanation only if you exclude all the other evidence we possess.

First, Romans knew how to crucify a person.

Second, according to the accounts, the Jewish authorities who had Christ murdered asked for and received a Roman guard to prevent the theft of Christ's body.

Third, the Apostles were in hiding for fear of the authorities after the Crucifixion. What could have motivated them to go out and "turn the world upside down" -- even to the point of death -- but the resurrected Christ?

You're not the first with this fiction:

"some of the guard went into the city and told the chief priests all that had taken place [the Resurrection]. And when they had assembled with the elders and taken counsel, they gave a sufficient sum of money to the soldiers and said, "Tell people, 'His disciples came by night and stole him away while we were asleep.' And if this comes to the governor's ears, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble." So they took the money and did as they were directed. And this story has been spread among the Jews to this day" (Matthew 28:11-15).

You're two thousand years too late.

There really aren't any 'eye-witness accounts' to most parts of the resurrection.

You only need one part -- the living Christ -- and on numerous occasions He appeared to His followers, including 500 at one time.

They are third person descriptions that mention some people present, none of which are attributed to writing the documents.

Not according to Matthew:

"Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. And when they saw him they worshiped him . . ." (Matthew 28:16-17).

Nor Mark:

"Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen" (Mark 16:14).

Nor Luke:

"they found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together . . . As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, 'Peace to you!' But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. And he said to them, 'Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.'

"And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, 'Have you anything here to eat?' They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate before them. Then he said to them, 'These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.'

"Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, 'Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem . . .'" (Luke 24).

Nor John; see the twentieth and twenty-first chapters of his Gospel.

Acts is ascribed to the same author as Luke

By Luke, the author.

he describes the appearances to other people, who also were in a trance!

Complete fabrication.

Have you no shame?

This comment was edited on Dec 30, 2009, 07:32.
 
"The Christian religion, when ... brought to the original purity and simplicity of it's benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the human mind."

Thomas Jefferson, 1801
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  157. Jan 23, 14:03   Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  159. Jan 24, 20:51    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  160. Jan 24, 21:12     Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  161. Jan 24, 22:50      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  166. Jan 25, 19:42       Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  169. Jan 26, 19:45        Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  171. Jan 26, 21:49 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  172. Jan 28, 02:55  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  174. Jan 28, 08:56   Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  176. Jan 30, 22:16    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  186. Feb 1, 09:02 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  189. Feb 2, 00:17  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  195. Feb 3, 20:29 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  196. Feb 5, 07:43  Re: Op Ed rocketpcguy
  199. Feb 6, 17:08   Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  200. Feb 6, 20:45    Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  202. Feb 8, 13:50     Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  197. Feb 6, 15:07  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  206. Feb 9, 23:53 Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  226. Feb 12, 19:01 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  242. Feb 19, 18:30 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  243. Feb 23, 02:15  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  244. Feb 23, 13:06   Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  246. Feb 23, 23:50    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  248. Feb 24, 00:30     Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  250. Feb 24, 02:00      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  254. Feb 24, 13:09       Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  255. Feb 25, 01:05        Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  256. Feb 25, 01:41         Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  257. Feb 25, 03:33          Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  258. Feb 25, 19:34           Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  259. Feb 25, 21:41            Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  260. Feb 25, 22:18             Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  263. Feb 26, 03:59              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  266. Feb 26, 19:12               Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  270. Feb 27, 15:37                Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  261. Feb 26, 02:59            Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  265. Feb 26, 19:03             Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  269. Feb 27, 14:59              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  262. Feb 26, 03:50            Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  264. Feb 26, 12:00             Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  268. Feb 27, 14:35              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  274. Mar 1, 11:18               Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  277. Mar 1, 23:37                Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  279. Mar 2, 00:23                 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  280. Mar 2, 01:02                 Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  282. Mar 3, 03:29                  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  283. Mar 3, 12:22                   Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  267. Feb 26, 20:19             Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  271. Feb 27, 16:08              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  245. Feb 23, 15:51   Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  247. Feb 23, 23:51    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  249. Feb 24, 01:20     Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  251. Feb 24, 02:14      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  252. Feb 24, 02:15      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  253. Feb 24, 02:16      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  272. Feb 27, 18:12 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  273. Mar 1, 03:45  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  275. Mar 1, 18:30   Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  276. Mar 1, 22:12    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  278. Mar 2, 00:11     Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  281. Mar 3, 02:58      Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  284. Mar 3, 18:49       Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  285. Mar 4, 09:42        Re: Op Ed nin
  286. Mar 5, 00:26         Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  287. Mar 6, 03:06        Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  288. Mar 6, 04:31 Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  289. Mar 8, 10:54  Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  290. Mar 11, 21:07   Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  291. Mar 12, 12:01    Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  292. Mar 15, 19:31     Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  293. Mar 15, 22:49      Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  294. Apr 20, 02:17       Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  295. Apr 27, 13:03        Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  297. Apr 28, 02:19         Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  298. Apr 28, 14:02          Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  299. Apr 28, 14:08           Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  300. Apr 28, 16:57            Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  301. May 1, 23:54            Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  302. May 2, 01:28             Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  305. May 4, 22:32              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  306. May 4, 23:42               Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  308. May 5, 01:09                Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  303. May 2, 17:56             Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  304. May 2, 19:46              Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  307. May 4, 23:48              Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  296. Apr 28, 00:10 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  309. May 5, 01:33 Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  310. May 5, 01:43  Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  311. May 5, 01:46   Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  314. May 5, 02:58   Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  318. May 12, 05:18   Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Amillennialist
  320. May 12, 13:36    Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Wowbagger_TIP
  321. May 17, 00:08     Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Amillennialist
  322. May 17, 09:32      Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Wowbagger_TIP
  323. May 18, 00:54       Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Amillennialist
  324. May 18, 01:35       Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Amillennialist
  325. May 18, 12:04        Re: Wowbagger: The gift that keeps on giving Wowbagger_TIP
  326. May 20, 03:34         Loose ends Amillennialist
  327. May 20, 18:33          Re: Loose ends Wowbagger_TIP
  328. May 20, 19:09           Re: Loose ends  Blue 
  331. Jul 9, 01:46            Re: Loose ends The Opera Ghost
  332. Jul 9, 07:32             Re: Loose ends Beamer
  333. Jul 9, 08:28             Re: Loose ends nin
  335. Jul 9, 09:50             Re: Loose ends  Blue 
  312. May 5, 02:20 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  313. May 5, 02:52  Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  317. May 5, 21:19   Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  319. May 12, 05:45    Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  315. May 5, 03:14 Re: Op Ed Amillennialist
  316. May 5, 09:30  Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  329. May 20, 19:58 Re: Op Ed Sepharo
  330. May 20, 23:10  Re: Op Ed Wowbagger_TIP
  334. Jul 9, 09:45 Re: Op Ed Sepharo


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