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Actually, my claim is that buying a used game and downloading a pirated game have the exact same result: You play the game, the developer doesn't see a penny. This is irrefutable. Except I've already refuted it.
You can argue that people selling used games use that money to buy new games or whatever, but that's really besides the point (and has no statistical evidence to support), as I've demonstrated repeatedly throughout this debate. Except it's not. You want it to be besides the point because it destroys your position, but it's dead on the point.
As for statistical support, that's just a red herring. I've not tried to quantify the argument (merely qualify it), so statistical support is irrelevant. If I was arguing that there were $X dollars from the used market flowing to the new market, then I would need statistical support.
And again, you failed to address my point: If you buy a used copy of Game A, Developer A sees no money from that sale. If you sell that copy, Developer A sees no money from that sale. If you use the money from that sale to buy a new copy of Game B, Developer A still sees no money. Again this is irrelevant because I'm talking about the markets collectively, not on a transaction by transaction basis. It's easy enough to turn that around and say that if a person buys a copy of used Game B, then finances a purchase of new Game A, then Developer A does see money from that transaction.
You can keep ranting on about upstream cash flow but you really have no statistical evidence whatsoever to support that claim. And you keep referring to developers in the plural, as if they are all the same. No. Buying a new game from Developer B doesn't help Developer A. If you buy or sell a used game from Developer A, you are screwing Developer A. It doesn't matter if you buy a new game from Developer B. Different developers, different games. Is this really that difficult to understand? Apparently it is for you. These are just red herrings and do not refute the argument at hand, that used games markets and piracy are not the same and that money from used markets is used to finance purchases in the new market.
In fact, you already admitted this was true, but now you're desperately trying to backpeddle from that.
I'm sure you'll jump on that example and point out how ridiculous it is but it effectively summarizes your entire argument. Just replace "pirates" with "buys used copy of". Your argument fails because there is no cash flow in your first part. In constrast, there is cash flow in a used transaction.
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