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I'm guessing you're trying to justify used sales with the logic that as long as someone rewarded the developers at one point, it doesn't have to be you. When you buy a game at retail you do not reward developers. Retailers have purchased those games from the publishers, and the publishers have already paid the developers. So lets stop pretending that buying a game in a store somehow makes you more supportive. If the retailer turns around and buys more copies they are supporting the publisher who probably isn't paying the developer anything at that point. (The developer has probably been fired at this point)
Used game sales are simply increased competition for the retailers, if they don't want to lose the sale to Joe down the street, drop your price. He's offering it for $45, they're offering it for $50 or $60. It's the free market, Joe down the street has the same product they have and will sell it for less.
In the end we're not buying the experience of playing the game, we're buying a physical box, disc, manual, etc. We're able to use that software any way we like for as long as we like. That physical item is legit, it was put on the market by the publisher per the copyright agreement. There is no piracy involved. If it gets resold 50 times that is no concern of anyone's.
This can easily be countered by the publishers lowering prices as well. I think the reason you see so many used game sales right now is that $60 is not an amount of money people like throwing away. After playing your game you could just keep it on a shelf and never play it again but you know it's worth something to other people so why not sell it? If Publishers dropped their prices considerably they'd drive used game sales down. If new games were $20 each it'd be easy to shrug and say, "I'll buy that new and spend the extra $5 to get it now rather than wait a few days."
But with tax around here (basically 10%!) trying to buy a used game off craigslist or using goozex is more like a $15-$20 savings. (if not an even trade with something like Goozex) A $60 game after tax is going to cost $65.83, or I can buy it used from someone who wants to sell his copy for $45 and save $20+.
Piracy in any form, just making copies, or duplicating discs and sell those doesn't put any money back into the industry. $0. Used game sales do. As long as people are buying and selling legal copies of the game they are affecting demand and supply in a positive way. It increases demand for the new games when people see used games selling at good prices. It makes those people more willing to spend $60 on games than they would be if they had no option to recover any of those dollars.
There will be a point where the demand has fallen off so much that the used games available will be able to satisfy the demand at which point it's time to make a new game or drop your price for new products a lot. |
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Dec 8, 19:10 |
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Dec 8, 19:38 |
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Dec 8, 19:44 |
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Dec 8, 22:21 |
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Dec 9, 01:44 |
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Dec 9, 01:48 |
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Dec 9, 10:36 |
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Dec 10, 16:34 |
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Dec 11, 12:01 |
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Dec 12, 03:43 |
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Dec 12, 19:34 |
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Dec 10, 17:00 |
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Dec 9, 13:00 |
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Dec 9, 06:24 |
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Dec 9, 06:42 |
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Dec 9, 08:44 |
Re: Pirates "A Marketplace" |
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Dec 9, 09:11 |
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Dec 9, 09:48 |
Re: Pirates "A Marketplace" |
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Dec 9, 10:59 |
Re: Pirates "A Marketplace" |
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Dec 9, 12:06 |
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Dec 9, 14:11 |
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Dec 10, 02:00 |
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Dec 10, 02:35 |
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Dec 10, 03:03 |
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Dec 10, 03:52 |
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Dec 10, 11:14 |
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Dec 11, 01:01 |
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Dec 11, 13:52 |
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Dec 11, 16:02 |
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Dec 11, 17:19 |
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Dec 12, 03:59 |
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Dec 12, 05:11 |
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Dec 12, 18:15 |
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Dec 13, 02:39 |
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Dec 13, 14:06 |
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Dec 14, 01:13 |
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Dec 14, 03:46 |
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Jerykk |
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Dec 14, 18:19 |
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shponglefan |
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Dec 14, 20:32 |
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Tumbler |
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Dec 15, 00:27 |
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Dec 15, 02:02 |
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Dec 15, 04:19 |
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Dec 15, 09:25 |
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Tumbler |
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Dec 16, 03:36 |
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Jerykk |
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Dec 15, 11:04 |
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shponglefan |
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Dec 16, 04:00 |
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Dec 17, 02:39 |
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Dec 18, 23:41 |
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Jerykk |
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Dec 10, 04:19 |
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Dec 10, 11:22 |
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Dec 10, 16:58 |
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StingingVelvet |
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Dec 10, 17:02 |
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Dec 10, 18:01 |
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Dec 10, 21:07 |
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Dec 10, 08:55 |
Re: Pirates "A Marketplace" |
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Dec 10, 11:35 |
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Dec 11, 00:35 |
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Dec 10, 12:15 |
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Dec 10, 12:59 |
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Dec 10, 13:15 |
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Dec 10, 13:45 |
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Prez |
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Dec 10, 16:25 |
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Dec 11, 12:19 |
Re: Pirates a Marketplace |
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Dec 11, 13:22 |
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Re: Pirates a Marketplace |
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Re: Pirates a Marketplace |
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Dec 14, 16:04 |
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