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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 21, 2009, 04:45 |
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No, they're keys that were sold in bulk for use on cyber cafe LANs. They aren't licensed for use in home PCs, therefore Valve were in their right to bin them.
It's like trying to activate Windows XP with the devils0wn FCKGW key... |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 21, 2009, 02:58 |
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When you buy a game, it specifically mentions that it's for personal use and not to be resold or used for commercial interests etc.
Most of my games certainly don't say anything about that on the packaging. If the publishers can't get a handle on bulk/foreign licenses than they should discontinue selling them, not try to punish consumers for making legal transactions.
I'm sure steam per their TOS they can pretty much do anything they want. It doesn't make it right, and certainly doesn't mean consumers should applaud them for doing so.
Personally, I am unwilling to hand over control of legally purchased products to a third party. Which is why I don't use steam for full price purchases (I have lower standards for $9.99 games).
This action by Valve, even though it doesn't affect me, helps to reinforce why giving a third party control of your purchases is a bad idea. |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 21, 2009, 02:39 |
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When you buy a game, it specifically mentions that it's for personal use and not to be resold or used for commercial interests etc. But of course, people here would rather blame Valve and Activision than the cd key selling sites who are actually the ones doing something wrong.
If you buy a key, you should know that you are running a risk, no matter how small it may seem. If you didn't know, that's your fault, and the blame falls on your seller, not Steam. |
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| Some of the most miserable and unhappy gamers on the planet are at Bluesnews |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 21, 2009, 01:47 |
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| no different than importing a game. people keep saying the keys are fraudulent but theres no evidence to support that. games sell very cheap in some asian regions. |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 21, 2009, 01:25 |
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| If these are fraudulent keys than fine ban them. But, it sounds like these are legit keys that are simply sold in bulk and/or sold in other regions for less. Hence the reason they are calling them grey market instead of fraudulent. Obviously activision makes something on these keys or they wouldn't sell them in the first place. |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 21, 2009, 01:15 |
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| If you buy a game from "steam" you won't have a problem. But if you insist on paying a guy in a back alley for an illegitimate key, you might as well pirate it. |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 21, 2009, 00:57 |
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This is exactly the reason why I refuse to buy "steam" only games. I'm not going to purchase something which I can be locked out of or banned from using on the whim of some company.
Global trade is the norm nowadays, it is foolhardy to believe that these companies didn't realize that by selling their games cheaper in other regions, that copies of those games would be imported back into the regions with higher pricing.
How many games on Gogamer are international versions? Are these "grey market" as well.
It's hilarious that companies complain about piracy while consistently running off their paying customers... How much do you want to bet that most of the people banned will simply pirate a copy of the game, and most likely future steam titles as well. |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 21, 2009, 00:50 |
PHJF |
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| I bought a second set of Diablo II keys a while back from some random (supposedly) reputable web site. Worked like a charm. |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 21, 2009, 00:39 |
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I'm sure they're not, because the keys they bought in those 4 packs are perfectly legitimate US keys
A good example is onlinekeystore. They sell keys that are valid, and can be used through steam, D2D, EA's store and so on. Yet they're around 30% cheaper then anyone else.
And how do you know they're valid, legitimate for resale in the US keys other than 'EA hasn't banned these yet'?
To me, it's the exact same thing as buying a VCR off the back of a truck on a street in Queens; is it possible that it's perfectly legal, that some store dumped a bunch on clearance and this guy is reselling them for a small profit? Sure... but it's also possible that they were stolen off the back of a truck, or they're cheap knockoffs
It's true for anything - are itunes gift card #'s sold on Ebay legit? I'm sure plenty of them are (stores have 10% off sales occasionally, someone could buy a ton of them and sell them for 5% off), but if someone's selling a $50 gift card for $10, I'd be much more likely to believe it's keygenned / bought with a stolen CC than to believe that it's legitimate
The detachment of buying stuff online instead of from some sketchy guy on the corner has somehow let people lose their ability to rationally think that if a deal is just too good, there's probably something wrong with it. There are legitimate reasons for buying from a store that has a reputation to uphold - I'm pretty confident Amazon won't sell me something like this, whereas I have zero confidence "onlinekeystore.com" will, because their potential downside is significantly bigger
This comment was edited on Nov 21, 2009, 00:47. |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 21, 2009, 00:36 |
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| What about those groups that combine funds and buy 4 copies of the game on steam for a discount? They getting banned too? Doesn't seem all that different... And isn't buying a game on steam essentially buying a key alone? |
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Kickstarter "Game Developer"! |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 21, 2009, 00:25 |
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Why all the hate on Valve? I gurantee you that the person buying knew it was bullshit. The Dr. said it best - if it is too good to be true - it is.
Get real people.
Wait for gogamer for 32.90.  Probably be next week!
A good example is onlinekeystore. They sell keys that are valid, and can be used through steam, D2D, EA's store and so on. Yet they're around 30% cheaper then anyone else.
Selling Borderland for .01!? Yeah. I don't think I would use that site!
This comment was edited on Nov 21, 2009, 00:29. |
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In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. / Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder.
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 21, 2009, 00:16 |
Prez |
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Well, maybe now that half the users who bought MW2 have been locked out, it isn't such a good seller on the PC any more!  |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 21, 2009, 00:05 |
nin |
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Stay classy, Valve.
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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure.
Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling... |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 20, 2009, 23:47 |
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That's the risk you run buying a game code off a random person on Ebay - your only recourse is to hope that the harm to their ebay rating is enough to prevent them from being dishonest about refunding or selling things they aren't legally allowed to sell Hate to tell you this but there's a pile of companies that sell keys for games via direct download not off ebay. So unless they're willing to publish an actual list that says "these groups are okay" then people are going to continue to run into this issue. Saying "only buy from here..." stinks of market cornering, when there is competition out there.
A good example is onlinekeystore. They sell keys that are valid, and can be used through steam, D2D, EA's store and so on. Yet they're around 30% cheaper then anyone else. |
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"For every human problem,
there is a neat, simple solution;
and it is always wrong."
--H.L. Mencken |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 20, 2009, 23:37 |
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This comes across as a draconian move by Valve. It's possible to be right and wrong at the same time. They could have given some notice and/or a $5 discount while expiring the keys that were certainly already paid-for.
Why? They already gave notice a couple years ago when THE EXACT SAME THING happened with Half Life 2
I love the outrage here - if they didn't do this, everyone would be bitching about how Valve is refusing to help cyber cafe's, or how charging $50 for a game in China is just asking to be pirated when the average wage is so low. Instead, they try to cut those groups a break, and it's suddenly an outrage that they don't let everyone pay a tenth of the price
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I completely agree that the group actually in the wrong here is the sellers, who sold a license they weren't legally allowed to sell, but Valve doesn't have any responsibility to compensate people for cyber cafes ripping them off.
That's the risk you run buying a game code off a random person on Ebay - your only recourse is to hope that the harm to their ebay rating is enough to prevent them from being dishonest about refunding or selling things they aren't legally allowed to sell
This comment was edited on Nov 20, 2009, 23:39. |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 20, 2009, 23:04 |
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No it comes down to cyber cafe's buying game licenses for ass cheap, and turn around selling them to gamers.
Activision, Valve, and especially the gamer are being screwed by the middle man (cyber cafes).
Granted players should have known better or informed themselves if this was legit before purchasing it, I would hope Valve would outright ban Cyber Cafe's who practice in this and/or offer gamers who got screwed some sorta way to get their copies working again. |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 20, 2009, 22:58 |
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It all comes down to this:
"Gaming has gotten too big for its britches."
Now that the hobby is so mainstream and makes even more money than the music and movie industries, this kind of thing is going to happen more often. Everyone wants "their cut" and if you don't give them their share of the pie, they make you pay...one way or another. |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 20, 2009, 22:16 |
LittleMe |
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| This comes across as a draconian move by Valve. It's possible to be right and wrong at the same time. They could have given some notice and/or a $5 discount while expiring the keys that were certainly already paid-for. |
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| Political freedom can only be preceded by economic freedom which is preceded by monetary freedom. |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 20, 2009, 22:01 |
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Oh this is nice, some guy asks a couple pertinent questions about the issue and a moderator answers it then promptly locks the thread up:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1034217
Valve, you've done much for the gaming community and I still like the company but you're really becoming the tools that you so abhorred when you first started out. Throw a little rock salt on that slippery slope you're going down. |
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Re: Steam Bans Grey Market MW2 Keys |
Nov 20, 2009, 21:53 |
Dr. D. Schreber |
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| Old wisdom: if a deal looks too good to be true, it is. |
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