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PC MW2 Outsells CoD4

A post to the Infinity Ward Forum by Robert Bowling explains that in spite of the uproar from PC users expressing discontent over plans for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, the sequel to Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare has outsold the original in its first week:

Yes, PC is the smallest percentage in terms of how much sold on each platform but that hardly means anything other than the PC is just the smallest market.

The PC version of Modern Warfare 2 has actually outsold the PC version of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare in it's first week. Making it the most successful PC version.

Essentially, all this percentage proves is that the console versions sold great, not that the PC version sold poorly, because that's actually not the case. The PC version has done tremendous in it's first week, better than our previous game.

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49. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 23, 2009, 08:43 Verno
 
Without numbers on the PC version's sales then this whole thing is just flamebait.  
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48. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 22, 2009, 10:07 toon
 
LOL @ all you haters. Another case that proves internet-boycotts and signature-campaigns mean squat.  
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47. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 22:17 StingingVelvet
 
Actually, it's not. Neither you nor I can claim to have any facts about the strength of digital distribution, but Stardock revealed in their report that came out a couple of days ago that they estimate digital sales to be 25% of the PC market. I'm going to assume that they are in a better position to guess than us. So, no, 25% isn't going to make that much of a difference.

1) Impulse is a LOT less used and cared about than Steam is. The fact a game only available digitally on Impulse can get 25% of its sales through downloads says Steam is probably averaging well above that.

2) Even if it is 25%, that is quite a large chunk and certainly throws off the retail sales model.

Pure speculation on your part.

I doubt it, compare brick and mortal store PC games selection to console game selection and it seems quite obvious. The end result is the same either way, the NPD reports and such do not count a lot of real stores and do not count digital stores at all. How you can not admit this makes the reported numbers for PC irrelevant is beyond me.

But heck, double or even triple the retail sales if you feel like it. Not only will your final estimate be completely wrong, it's still also a very small number. 15% of sales v/s 85% on consoles.

15% of 10 million copies is 1.5 million, which times $60 a piece is 90 million dollars, no small chunk of change. Considering the game could sell well above 10 million by the end of it, and considering the PC sales could be an even higher percentage, I think it is clear they get quite a lot of money from a relatively easy Xbox to PC conversion.

I never said PC was the highlight of the industry, I am not stupid, I said these companies make a lot of return on their investment on PC which is why we get ports of damn near everything 3rd parties release. 100 million dollars is no small number.
 
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46. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 18:20 Creston
 
Sigh.

Oh well, at least the PC community has already modded all the missing shit back in.

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45. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 17:21 xXBatmanXx
 
Wow - trolls battling trolls. Didn't think I would see the day.  
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44. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 14:50 spindoctor
 
Modern Warfare 2 has no direct download option on consoles, but direct download is a massive source of game sales for PC games

Actually, it's not. Neither you nor I can claim to have any facts about the strength of digital distribution, but Stardock revealed in their report that came out a couple of days ago that they estimate digital sales to be 25% of the PC market. I'm going to assume that they are in a better position to guess than us. So, no, 25% isn't going to make that much of a difference.

As for amazon and gogamer and similar sites, I am sure the PC sales are much larger in percentage than in normal stores, since PC gamers wanting a box have been trained to go online and buy due to retail stores not carrying much PC product.

Pure speculation on your part.

But heck, double or even triple the retail sales if you feel like it. Not only will your final estimate be completely wrong, it's still also a very small number. 15% of sales v/s 85% on consoles.

 
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43. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 14:42 spindoctor
 
But there are some developers that are savvy enough to realise that putting in a bit of effort to the PC release pays off, as Dragon Age has been dominating charts everywhere. Then again, Borderlands has also done well and that's a weak port. *shrugs*

Dragon Age is an aberration and you know it. And it wasn't a 'bit of effort' that went into the PC version of DA... it was a PC game that was also ported to consoles. One would be very naive to think that many developers have the resources or inclination to follow that model. Even the creators of DA, Bioware, have been porting their last few games from the console to the PC.

And, I would speculate that the console versions of Dragon Age have outsold the PC version as well, and probably by as large a margin as MW2 did.

 
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42. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 14:38 StingingVelvet
 
But there are some developers that are savvy enough to realise that putting in a bit of effort to the PC release pays off, as Dragon Age has been dominating charts everywhere. Then again, Borderlands has also done well and that's a weak port. *shrugs*

The only weak port aspects of it are the menus and the FOV. The FOV is fixable and the menus are far from as bad as people say they are.

Not a weak port at all overall in my opinion.
 
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41. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 14:37 StingingVelvet
 
You say it like every single sale of the game outside those reported is on the PC. While the actual numbers here might not be accurate, the trend is clear for all to see. Any sales that this (rather large) sample has missed out will probably follow the same ratios of console sales outnumbering the pc by 10:1 or some such ridiculous number. And either way... 10%, 15% or whatever... it is dwarfed by the console numbers.

Modern Warfare 2 has no direct download option on consoles, but direct download is a massive source of game sales for PC games. As for amazon and gogamer and similar sites, I am sure the PC sales are much larger in percentage than in normal stores, since PC gamers wanting a box have been trained to go online and buy due to retail stores not carrying much PC product.

So no, the sample does not work, that was the whole point.

The 'PC gaming is dead' myth needs to go away. Having said that, it still is quite insignificant compared to the consoles. It's still viable, obviously, but it is losing importance.

And books have lost importance to film and internet, and jazz has lost importance to rap and dance music, but they all still exist. PC gaming will go on no matter what and its importance is directly related to the developer and their goal in making the game. I predict a huge boom in PC gaming due to the independent movement we have already seen start, as well as console gaming pandering more and more to casual audiences sending niche gamers to more independent platforms.
 
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40. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 13:31 Downer28
 
You could only play the MP online for about a day with the pirated version before they patched it. Ironically, I ended up buying it because I liked the MP so much. Maybe it was a smart move on their part.  
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39. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 12:50 theyarecomingforyou
 
The 'PC gaming is dead' myth needs to go away. Having said that, it still is quite insignificant compared to the consoles. It's still viable, obviously, but it is losing importance.
But there are some developers that are savvy enough to realise that putting in a bit of effort to the PC release pays off, as Dragon Age has been dominating charts everywhere. Then again, Borderlands has also done well and that's a weak port. *shrugs*
 
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38. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 12:10 Shooters fanboy
 
For their anti-piracy efforts they should have Steam as the only DRM requirement and left it at that, IW are stupid not to realize that mods prolong the life of your game. Never buying this game, luckily I'm more excited for L4D2. Also this info about John Carmack stating there will be no dedis for Rage is truly fucked up seeing as id games gave birth to FPS mods.

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37. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 11:52 spindoctor
 
These sales percentages only count certain retail boxed sales in certain countries, it means about as much as saying it sold "fine" and leaving it at that, it means nothing. Once you count online boxed sales, online downloads and small countries I bet it takes up more than 10% put together.

You say it like every single sale of the game outside those reported is on the PC. While the actual numbers here might not be accurate, the trend is clear for all to see. Any sales that this (rather large) sample has missed out will probably follow the same ratios of console sales outnumbering the pc by 10:1 or some such ridiculous number. And either way... 10%, 15% or whatever... it is dwarfed by the console numbers.

We keep hearing from the gaming media that PC is dead and insignificant, but companies keep releasing their games on PC. Obviously they make a decent profit for the most part.

The 'PC gaming is dead' myth needs to go away. Having said that, it still is quite insignificant compared to the consoles. It's still viable, obviously, but it is losing importance.
 
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36. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 11:31 space captain
 
i think its funny how you can play MP online with the pirated version

way to go with that IWnet bullshit
 
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35. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 10:57 ldonyo
 
There are a lot of Sheep in the woods.

I think of them as lemmings over a cliff or cattle in a feed lot, but sheep in the woods works, too.
 
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34. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 10:33 space captain
 
The PC version of Modern Warfare 2 has actually outsold the PC version of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare in it's first week. Making it the most successful PC version

so they are saying they have sold more copies of PC version of MW2 in the first week, than they have sold PC copies of COD4 in the past few years?? that has to be some bullshit spin
 
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33. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 09:58 StingingVelvet
 
Mixed feelings about this news. On the one hand, it's good to see that all the whining didn't stop people from buying a fabulous game. However if you read the context of that particular thread (and look up a couple of articles about sales percentages), it really does prove just how insignificant the PC market is when it comes to sales. 6% of the first week retail sales were on the PC. Add in digital distribution and that figure probably goes up to 8-10%. Still outsold by consoles by a ratio of 10:1.

These sales percentages only count certain retail boxed sales in certain countries, it means about as much as saying it sold "fine" and leaving it at that, it means nothing. Once you count online boxed sales, online downloads and small countries I bet it takes up more than 10% put together.

We keep hearing from the gaming media that PC is dead and insignificant, but companies keep releasing their games on PC. Obviously they make a decent profit for the most part. Right now there are 3 times as many people playing Modern Warfare 2 on Steam as there are people playing Left 4 Dead 2, so... it is doing fine I suspect.

As for people buying the game being evil, it's a great game, I'm glad it is on PC and has a pretty damn good PC version too for my interests. I can't pretend this isn't the case to make the clanners and such happy. I support games that do right by me and with an epic campaign, steam support and a new coop mode, MW2 was a no-brainer.
 
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32. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 09:49 sc4r4b
 
With the news earlier in the week that the game made 550 million in the first five days, I said fuck it and bought it. A fellow clam-mate also harassed me for several days. Nothing like peer pressure.

Being a huge fan of the other games the news that they wouldn't be supporting the community was a HUGE let down.

That said, I like the MP a lot. I wanted to hate it but it's good. Yes, no lean sucks and it feels like a step backward. Yes, no dedis blows. But in the end, I still like it and I hate myself a little for it...

Glad I changed my mind. Now bring on the hate!
 
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31. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 08:21 Paketep
 
At this point, I believe zero of what fourzerotwo says.

In fact, that would be a much more appropriate nickname for him.
 
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30. Re: PC MW2 Outsells CoD4 Nov 21, 2009, 08:09 zirik
 
it really does prove just how insignificant the PC market is when it comes to sales. 6% of the first week retail sales were on the PC. Add in digital distribution and that figure probably goes up to 8-10%. Still outsold by consoles by a ratio of 10:1.

it would be interesting to compare the profit margin for all platforms since the pc version does not require a licensing fee yet is priced the same as consoles. activision would not bother if it was not significant for the pc version.
 
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