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News Comments > Out of the Blue
206. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 8, 2012, 23:15 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 22:20:
I don't get this social utopia garbage. Obama is less social than Joe McCarthy tax-wise, and has a lot in common with Eisenhower in nearly all areas of policy. Those guys would have punched you in the face for calling them socialists, yet Obama is very, very similar and gets knocked around.

Also, what's more important to protect - the rights of a large organization or the rights of the individual? I'm going individual. Regardless, RollingThunder only cares about HIS religion. Christianity? Protect at all costs! Again, if it was the Jehovah's Witnesses refusing to pay for health care for ANY of their employees, as they do not believe in modern science, he'd probably be against it. But he's one of those people that feels a need to be a victim, and there's a war on Christianity in his eyes.

Just watch Fox for a few hours and you can see that if there's any group in this country that feels they are victims, it's Republicans/Tea Partiers. They see themselves beset on all sides by liberals who are alternately lazy, incompetent boobs or evil masterminds who have fooled everyone, whichever fits their narrative at the time.
 
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11. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 8, 2012, 22:06 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 19:38:
You're wrong of course. And no, this isn't a matter of opinion. Just keeping people sitting around for 20+ years is insane by any definition. Make use of them or put them down. That's simply how nature works for everything else and it should be the same with this. If prisons actually rehabilitated people and weren't just crime schools and rape academies I'd be all for them. As it stands they're a waste of precious resources and a lot of them in them are too.

I can see this is pointless. Just glad that most others don't think this way.
 
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204. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 8, 2012, 20:26 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 19:45:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 19:38:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 18:13:
Wbich double standard are you talking about? Is it the usual liberal one where Christianity is bad, but being gay, Islamic, or racist against white people/playing the race card when confronted with a position they have a hard time debating is awesome?
No, I meant exactly the one I said. The one where it's bad for gays to "throw their life choice in your face", but not bad for religious folks to do the same. Why the double standard?

RollinThundr wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 18:13:
3. No shit sparky, fix the tax code sure, but enough with spending on things we don't need. What we're doing now isn't sustainable.

And it would get fixed if Republicans would get the hell out of the way. Bush put 2 wars, a huge tax cut and a prescription drug plan on the national credit card. Time has come to pay up. We need both cuts and tax increases, which is exactly what the Dems are proposing.

RollinThundr wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 18:13:
4. This ties into the first response really, where it's ok to attack Christianity as this big evil thing that's so pushed onto you poor liberals supposedly. Hell I'm not religious at all and it's not hard to see the shit you people whine about. I'm sure you're prolly one of those that hates the Pledge of Allegiance for having the words One nation under God in it too. Oh no so it's offensive! Freak
Why don't you address what I actually said rather than making up some other argument that has nothing to do with what I said? I said they should cut the Viagra and other "lifestyle" stuff for guys too. How the hell does that relate at all to what you said?

Address what you said? You brought up religion in the first place. I never said one word about saying it was ok for religious types to throw anything in anyone's faces and really that doesn't happen much these days anyway. It's almost politically incorrect at this point to believe in God in the US to begin with.

Yep Repubs should just get the hell out of the way of the social utopia. Granted I'm sure when it bankrupts us you'll think differently.

Umm... religion is everywhere, all the time. You apparently just don't notice it. Republicans bitched about the Democrats not having God in their platform. They have to talk about God every time they give a speech. Half their platform is based on religious beliefs, and they don't seem to care that not everyone in this country shares their religion. There's a school here in Texas where the cheerleaders are suing because they want to be able to put a bunch of bible quotes on their banners at football games. So seriously, don't tell me that religious folks don't throw it in our faces.

As for the "social utopia" thing, I said they should get out of the way of implementing cuts + tax increases. Not sure what your issue is with that.
 
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202. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 8, 2012, 19:38 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 18:13:
Wbich double standard are you talking about? Is it the usual liberal one where Christianity is bad, but being gay, Islamic, or racist against white people/playing the race card when confronted with a position they have a hard time debating is awesome?
No, I meant exactly the one I said. The one where it's bad for gays to "throw their life choice in your face", but not bad for religious folks to do the same. Why the double standard?

RollinThundr wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 18:13:
3. No shit sparky, fix the tax code sure, but enough with spending on things we don't need. What we're doing now isn't sustainable.

And it would get fixed if Republicans would get the hell out of the way. Bush put 2 wars, a huge tax cut and a prescription drug plan on the national credit card. Time has come to pay up. We need both cuts and tax increases, which is exactly what the Dems are proposing.

RollinThundr wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 18:13:
4. This ties into the first response really, where it's ok to attack Christianity as this big evil thing that's so pushed onto you poor liberals supposedly. Hell I'm not religious at all and it's not hard to see the shit you people whine about. I'm sure you're prolly one of those that hates the Pledge of Allegiance for having the words One nation under God in it too. Oh no so it's offensive! Freak
Why don't you address what I actually said rather than making up some other argument that has nothing to do with what I said? I said they should cut the Viagra and other "lifestyle" stuff for guys too. How the hell does that relate at all to what you said?
 
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9. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 8, 2012, 19:32 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 18:21:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 18:08:
Cutter wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 17:12:
Common sense here folks. Not being drunk and running around naked or even statuatory rape as that's on a case by case basis but I mean molestation, rape, murder, stuff along those lines. IF you ever get out and I don't think you should - hell, as stated I don't believe in life sentences I believe in death penalties - then you're under constant scrutiny the rest of your days. Don't like it? Off yourself.
Don't see how I could support death penalty knowing that the system is so flawed when it comes to convicting the right person. Yes, what was done to the victim is a serious injustice, but sentencing an innocent person to die is much worse.

You want to make an omelet you have to break some eggs. Again common sense comes into play where if there is some doubt surrounding the conviction than no, if there's no doubt than yes. Take them out back of the court house and give them a firing squad right then and there. And the system isn't that flawed and only getting more accurate all the time. Better to let 100 rapists and murderers go free for one innocent man? Nope. The needs of the many outweigh those of the one or the few. Even the Vulcans are for the death penalty.

The needs of the many are served just fine by imprisoning them. The desire for vengeance is understandable, up until it's someone you know or care about that gets railroaded. It's not just about doubt. There's corruption and incompetence that can make someone look guilty even when they aren't. We've seen plenty of cases of incompetent defense lawyers, and plenty of cases of prosecutors or police burying exculpatory evidence, and a ton of other screwups. It's simply ridiculous to kill people with a system like that when locking them up protects the public just fine, and saves us money too.

 
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46. Re: Diablo III Expansion Plans; StarCraft: Heart of the Swarm Early Next Year Nov 8, 2012, 19:27 Wowbagger_TIP
 
dj LiTh wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 19:12:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 12:30:
dj LiTh wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 11:52:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 02:13:
I enjoyed SC2 single-player. I'm really not into the multi on it though. I don't like the rushed style of play. I may pick up HotS if the reviews are good for the SP aspect.

Oh, btw, I have a couple of PoE beta keys if anyone wants one.

Wowbagger_TIP if you still have PoE key's i'd really really love one!
You don't seem to have anon email enabled here. Shoot me a message from whatever email and I'll send you a key.

Fixed, and sent my email thanks bigtime!

Just sent it.
 
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7. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 8, 2012, 18:08 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 17:12:
Common sense here folks. Not being drunk and running around naked or even statuatory rape as that's on a case by case basis but I mean molestation, rape, murder, stuff along those lines. IF you ever get out and I don't think you should - hell, as stated I don't believe in life sentences I believe in death penalties - then you're under constant scrutiny the rest of your days. Don't like it? Off yourself.
Don't see how I could support death penalty knowing that the system is so flawed when it comes to convicting the right person. Yes, what was done to the victim is a serious injustice, but sentencing an innocent person to die is much worse.
 
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199. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 8, 2012, 17:02 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 15:03:
Beamer wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 13:07:
But I think the only places we likely very much disagree are in that:
1) Abortion is a choice we should not make for people
2) Gays are people, too, and deserve equal rights because why the hell not?
3) Our tax policy has destroyed the middle class and needs to be reversed
4) Women that enjoy sex are not sluts

1.agreed
2. agreed just don't throw your life choice in my face every 5 mins
Why not? Others feel free to throw their religion or other beliefs in our face constantly, everywhere. Why the double standard for gay folks?

RollinThundr wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 15:03:
3. along with excessive spending
If you're gonna spend, you gotta tax, but the middle has seen their incomes stagnant for so long you have to admit that that's the wrong place to further tax. The incomes at the top have skyrocketed, but for some reason we cap the amount we tax for them. Maybe they should face the same rate as the rest of us, and maybe we should have actually paid for those wars if we thought they were so damn important.

RollinThundr wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 15:03:
4. They can enjoy sex all they want, on their own dime, if they're being insured through a religious entity that doesn't condone paying for it, tough luck.
As long as they're going to keep subsidizing Viagra and other non-essential stuff for guys, then they sure as hell better do it for women too.

 
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5. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 8, 2012, 16:53 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 12:39:
When you surrender your rights by being a criminal you don't have anymore say. Particularly as it applies to violent crimes like rape, murder, etc. Honestly those guys should consider themselves lucky because if it were up to me they'd be looking at a death sentence.
I think once you serve your time, you should have your rights reinstated. If you commit a particularly egregious crime, you may be imprisoned for a very long time or even permanently. But if you do eventually get out, I think that you've had your punishment as the law deemed appropriate and you shouldn't be further punished.

Also, given how often the legal system and the people in it screw up and send the wrong person to prison or even death row, I just can't get behind the death penalty anymore. Life imprisonment is both cheaper and less likely to kill an innocent person.
 
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2. Re: More Big Picture Details Nov 8, 2012, 12:37 Wowbagger_TIP
 
HorrorScope wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 11:48:
"The two plaintiffs argued that forcing them to expose their online identities would violate their First Amendment right to speak anonymously."

Honestly are forefathers were aliens, they were even smart enough to foresee anonymous speakers.

Nothing like putting yet another prop on a ballot, it wins and then it gets challenged. IMO that should have been sorted out prior to going to the voters. Then once voted, it's stone. Less perhaps the supreme court.

California needs to rein in its prop system. I'd start by requiring that all props include some mechanism to pay for themselves. Then that they pass at least some kind of Constitutional sniff test, whether that's a panel of Constitutional lawyers or whatever. They waste too much money on bullshit props that just get struck down later, and pass too many that they can't, or at least don't, pay for.
 
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39. Re: Diablo III Expansion Plans; StarCraft: Heart of the Swarm Early Next Year Nov 8, 2012, 12:30 Wowbagger_TIP
 
dj LiTh wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 11:52:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 02:13:
I enjoyed SC2 single-player. I'm really not into the multi on it though. I don't like the rushed style of play. I may pick up HotS if the reviews are good for the SP aspect.

Oh, btw, I have a couple of PoE beta keys if anyone wants one.

Wowbagger_TIP if you still have PoE key's i'd really really love one!
You don't seem to have anon email enabled here. Shoot me a message from whatever email and I'll send you a key.
 
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191. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 8, 2012, 12:27 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 12:22:

I don't disagree something needs to be done about healthcare, but I just don't think Obamacare is it. I'm from Ma. I've seen what Mittenscare is costing first hand because I'm dealing with it personally. It isn't pretty

What problems have you seen with the MA program? I'm curious because I am not overly fond of Obamacare either, but think that it's still an improvement over what we've had up until now. There's definitely still a lot of room for improvement though.
 
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19. Re: Diablo III Expansion Plans; StarCraft: Heart of the Swarm Early Next Year Nov 8, 2012, 03:07 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Prez wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 02:24:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 02:13:
I enjoyed SC2 single-player. I'm really not into the multi on it though. I don't like the rushed style of play. I may pick up HotS if the reviews are good for the SP aspect.

Oh, btw, I have a couple of PoE beta keys if anyone wants one.

Being an action RPG nut I so want to try this game despite the fact that I generally don't like playing betas (or free-to-play games). I'll take one if you still have it.

Just emailed you a key. Just let me know if you have any trouble with it.
 
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14. Re: Diablo III Expansion Plans; StarCraft: Heart of the Swarm Early Next Year Nov 8, 2012, 02:13 Wowbagger_TIP
 
I enjoyed SC2 single-player. I'm really not into the multi on it though. I don't like the rushed style of play. I may pick up HotS if the reviews are good for the SP aspect.

Oh, btw, I have a couple of PoE beta keys if anyone wants one.
 
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54. Re: Fast-food Logos Imprinted on Children's Brains Nov 7, 2012, 18:12 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Atomic wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 17:16:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 15:58:
They weren't going to get people covered, they weren't going to deal with the problem of pre-existing conditions. They had no solutions.

Atomic wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 17:05:
None that you heard through traditional media anyway. There were actually several, but most are free market based, so immediately rejected by big government proponents.

- Medical Liability Reform "enact common-sense medical liability reforms to lower costs, rein in junk lawsuits and curb defensive medicine"
- Purchase Health Insurance Across State Lines "spurs competition in the market"
- Expand Health Savings Accounts (HSA's)
- Ensure Access for Patients with Pre-Existing Conditions "make it illegal for an insurance company to deny coverage to someone with prior coverage on the basis of a pre-existing condition, eliminate annual and lifetime spending caps, and prevent insurers from dropping your coverage just because you get sick"

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 17:08:
Right, and how were they going to get that last one through? That's what the mandate was for, which was a Republican idea from the 90s. Also, how were they going to reconcile state laws to allow for purchasing across state lines? They never really addressed that either. So these were just sort of ideas thrown out, but without a real explanation of how they could actually be implemented.

My point being you just said none and that is clearly more than none. Yes, the details never got completely worked out, but because they were never allowed to be discussed.
I said none that actually addressed the major problems with the system. Just saying that you're going to cover pre-existing conditions doesn't cut it. Romney couldn't even say that much (or at least his campaign corrected him when he did). Nobody was stopping the Republicans from discussing the issue or figuring out how they planned to actually do these things, but they never offered an actual plan. Brainstorming is not a plan.
 
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45. Re: Fast-food Logos Imprinted on Children's Brains Nov 7, 2012, 17:08 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Atomic wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 17:05:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 15:58:
They weren't going to get people covered, they weren't going to deal with the problem of pre-existing conditions. They had no solutions.

None that you heard through traditional media anyway. There were actually several, but most are free market based, so immediately rejected by big government proponents.

- Medical Liability Reform "enact common-sense medical liability reforms to lower costs, rein in junk lawsuits and curb defensive medicine"
- Purchase Health Insurance Across State Lines "spurs competition in the market"
- Expand Health Savings Accounts (HSA's)
- Ensure Access for Patients with Pre-Existing Conditions "make it illegal for an insurance company to deny coverage to someone with prior coverage on the basis of a pre-existing condition, eliminate annual and lifetime spending caps, and prevent insurers from dropping your coverage just because you get sick"

Right, and how were they going to get that last one through? That's what the mandate was for, which was a Republican idea from the 90s. Also, how were they going to reconcile state laws to allow for purchasing across state lines? They never really addressed that either. So these were just sort of ideas thrown out, but without a real explanation of how they could actually be implemented.
 
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43. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 7, 2012, 16:42 Wowbagger_TIP
 
John wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 16:04:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 15:54:
And yet again, no they didn't. With Republicans filibustering everything in sight, and the Dems without a filibuster-proof majority, they really did not have control.
Let me rephrase that, they had the majority in 2008. The way the country is split nowadays you can't expect either side to get complete control.
Mr. Tact already addressed this point, so I'll just say I agree with him.

John wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 16:04:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 15:58:
Too centrist to be very good, unfortunately, but it's still a hell of the lot better than continuing our completely broken and stupidly expensive system the way we have been.
And it's still getting more expensive all the time..

Well, two things about that. First, most of the health care reform hasn't gone into effect yet, and won't until 2014. Second, it's certainly not a total solution, and they are still experimenting with ways to reduce the costs further. That's designed into the law. It should bring costs down, or at least slow the growth significantly, but getting anything else passed was going to be next to impossible.

That said, I am certainly open to other ideas, but other than going full single-payer, I haven't seen any that actually address the major problems with the current system.
 
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184. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 7, 2012, 16:37 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 16:32:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 16:06:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 15:57:
I guess being against wealth redistribution, ie stealing to give to those who don't earn it, is a keyword for intolerance these days. Keep living in libtard disney world, it's worked out great for us the last 4 years. When we're 20 trillion in debt and at 15%+ unemployment in 4 years don't say I told ya so.
Lol, I love how you continually fail to respond to the arguments in the posts you reply to, but always try to change the subject. Then that gets rebutted, and you change the subject again. Some people are just incapable of dealing with reality.

What arguments are those? I've consistantly said the same thing in nearly every post when it comes to politics. Stop spending so much money. And all I get back is "you're a racist/anti gay/anti women, socialism is excellent" simply because I believe the economy and the out of control spending that again BOTH parties partake should be made the focal point rather than gay marriage and insurance companies being made to be prophylactic vending machines just because of a few sex crazed idiots like Sandra Fluke don't want to cover it themselves.

Talk about strawman. Consistantly anytime you bring up reducing government spending liberals won't even discuss it, they simply refuse because for whatever reason reducing spending to them is like a cross to a vampire.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You keep making statements like that. "Liberals won't even discuss it". Yet the democrats were offering 3 or 4 to 1 cuts to revenues and the GOP slapped them away because they couldn't have 100% of what they wanted, which was 0 revenues.

But you'll probably just ignore that again and go on about something else now, or you'll twist what I'm saying and reply to your own made-up argument like you did earlier.
 
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183. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 7, 2012, 16:34 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 16:25:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 16:06:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 15:57:
I guess being against wealth redistribution, ie stealing to give to those who don't earn it, is a keyword for intolerance these days. Keep living in libtard disney world, it's worked out great for us the last 4 years. When we're 20 trillion in debt and at 15%+ unemployment in 4 years don't say I told ya so.
Lol, I love how you continually fail to respond to the arguments in the posts you reply to, but always try to change the subject. Then that gets rebutted, and you change the subject again. Some people are just incapable of dealing with reality.

Essentially.
He also calls redistribution of wealth stealing. He fails to acknowledge that our taxation is a redistribution of wealth. I already posted a graph that showed that the top 1% (I hate that term, due to Occupy Wall Street lunacy) had under 20% of the wealth in the mid 70s and now has about 40%.

What is that if not a redistribution of the wealth? In order for the 1% to gain a higher percentage, other portions had to lose a percentage. And, given that the lower 40% or 50% had nothing to give, that all came from the middle class.

Redistribution of the wealth was fine to him when it went to the few, but when it goes to the many it's a bad thing. Simple fact: wealth has been redistributed in this country twice already. FDR gave it to the middle class, and we went from times like The Jungle to times like the 50s and 60s. Reagan gave it back to the wealthy. I'm not saying that we'll go back to the Jungle, or that it's class warfare, or any of those things.
I'm just saying our economy was strongest and growing quickest when the ultra rich weren't controlling all of the wealth, more people had money to spend, and there was less incentive to not pay your employees as well.

I agree with that. There seems to be a snowball effect as well. They will continually grow wealthier, not only because their current wealth works for them, but also because they have a much greater influence on government policy than middle class people do. You have to get millions of middle class folks on the same page to have any effect. But you've got guys like Sheldon Adelson, George Soros, or the Koch brothers, who can have a major effect for or against your campaign, all on their own. So it's in the interests of politicians to stay on their good side and keep things working in their favor.
 
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179. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 7, 2012, 16:06 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 15:57:
I guess being against wealth redistribution, ie stealing to give to those who don't earn it, is a keyword for intolerance these days. Keep living in libtard disney world, it's worked out great for us the last 4 years. When we're 20 trillion in debt and at 15%+ unemployment in 4 years don't say I told ya so.
Lol, I love how you continually fail to respond to the arguments in the posts you reply to, but always try to change the subject. Then that gets rebutted, and you change the subject again. Some people are just incapable of dealing with reality.
 
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