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News Comments > Morning Tech Bits
9. Re: Morning Tech Bits Nov 19, 2012, 15:58 Wowbagger_TIP
 
I'm sticking with Win 7. It works well for me and I see no reason to give myself a headache by switching to 8. While it may offer a few improvements, it's overall a misstep for the PC desktop.  
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News Comments > Star Citizen Funding Homestretch; Video
7. Re: Star Citizen Funding Homestretch; Video Nov 18, 2012, 19:32 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Looks sweet, but damn, those are some ridiculous prices for those add-on ships. I hope it can at least mostly live up to Roberts' ambitions. I'm in for $37. I'll just have to earn the other ships the hard way. Really can't justify paying that kind of cash for those.  
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44. Re: Star Citizen Passes $4.2MM Nov 18, 2012, 16:57 Wowbagger_TIP
 
You know what I find weird? That they've already decided that the manual will be 42 pages....  
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28. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 15, 2012, 22:58 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Axis wrote on Nov 15, 2012, 22:38:
The 2 years of control sure as hell did happen. Most of those 2 years he got his couple of RINOs with some back room swag in a bag for PLENTY of political maneuvering which he 'got done', and then 4 months or so of supermajority to finalize the big votes. Pretty obvious stuff here.

I don't recall any republicans of any political power stating they were going to ensure he failed. I recall Rush Limbaugh stating he knew Obama was going to try to "Fundamentally Transform America" and hope'd he'd fail.

Dems got hammered for the exact reason I already said - his months when he had supermajority to push his 2 year planned agenda got people sick to their stomach. How their pompus asses just kept pushing garbage down while the media spun it as so wonderful. Most people 'got it', and voted for the change that was needed. Can't change history, pretty obvious here too.

Obama did virtually nothing effective to help slow or reverse the recession -- Americans did 'despite' his blowing our money on his 'stimulus', and his focus on alternate energy, climate change, health care take over, class warfare, securing votes, on and on. Key is he did everything with zero transparency and massive debt increases, and almost none of it helped a recession.

Calling what we're seeing with our friends and neighbors a recovery is laughable. Perhaps you should ask around.
Considering it was 10 years of Republican rule that got us to that point in the first place, what's laughable is suggesting that following their policies would get us out of it.
 
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25. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 15, 2012, 21:40 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 15, 2012, 21:22:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 15, 2012, 20:14:
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Cutter wrote on Nov 15, 2012, 19:40:
Lol I love when the right-wing fascist, bigots, and racists try to call other people on hating what they represent as if them being bigots, racists, and fascists is perfectly acceptable in the first place. There is just no end to their hypocrisy.

As I keep saying here, "be tolerant of my intolerance!"

Also surprised at how often some people equate a religion of white people to any other race. "It's bad to mock black people, a minority mostly in poverty, but ok to mock a religion that's the majority in this country? I don't understand history or context, so I don't get why this is so!"

Alot of those black people are religious as well, do you hate them too? Or is that a conflict of interest.

When did I say I hate religious people. I didn't even use "hate."

You're the one that keeps acting like a victim in this thread. On this board. "How come you guys can make fun of Christians!? No fair, no fair!"

Like I said, he's not actually arguing with you. He's arguing with this straw guy with a "Hello, my name is Beamer" tag that he stuck to his chest. He doesn't need to hear what you have to say because he's already decided what you believe. It's much easier for him that way.
 
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2. Re: Torchlight 2 Patch Adds New Pets Nov 15, 2012, 21:25 Wowbagger_TIP
 
jacobvandy wrote on Nov 15, 2012, 21:19:
Oh, man, so now I have to start a new character... It's badger time!

Badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger...
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
23. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 15, 2012, 21:20 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Axis wrote on Nov 15, 2012, 20:13:

The major divisive point is pretty clear - when Obama had complete control and shoved 2 years of agenda down the throats of Americans.
The 2 years of control thing didn't happen. Please stop repeating that nonsense. It's tired.

Axis wrote on Nov 15, 2012, 20:13:
Up until that point, many conservatives were happy to give him a shot as the 2008 election proved.
Depends on how you define conservative. The Republicans sure weren't willing to give him any chance at all, as they explicitly stated they were going to ensure that he failed. They made a super-majority a necessity to get anything at all done, and the Dems didn't have it.

Axis wrote on Nov 15, 2012, 20:13:
But we saw the writing on the wall pretty quick, and the 2010 elections sent the message. I don't know why anyone thinks that would change with reelecting him again. Maybe it will a little, just in an effort to get the country more on track fiscally even if some bad policy is accepted and Americans make it work.
2010 elections sent the message that things were fucked up, which we knew, but it wasn't until after the 2008 election that we actually knew how seriously bad things were fucked up. Dems got hammered over that for some reason. Maybe because people thought the Tea Party was some kind of refreshing change. Of course that's also before they really got to see how truly crazy most of them are, and how they just made things worse.

We've been coming out of the recession and things have been getting steadily better, but there's still a lot of crap that needs to get done before we can really be on solid footing again. Fixing the tax code (and maybe deal with the damn AMT permanently FFS??), dealing with the long-term issues of SS and Medicare, investing in infrastructure, and coming up with some kind of plan for education that doesn't involve us sliding farther down the international rankings.
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
13. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 15, 2012, 19:16 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Dades wrote on Nov 15, 2012, 19:12:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 15, 2012, 19:02:
Cutter wrote on Nov 15, 2012, 16:56:
What tears? Well, no surprise with you as usual because you're severely deluded as usual. You and your jackbooted ilk stop hating in general and we'll stop hating you, ok?


lol so easy with you. So much hate! You're not related to Bill Maher are you? wah wah wah The GOP's fault, wah wah wah conservatives hate everyone, wah wah wah but but religious people are so bad, except the Muslims who are the ones actually committing crimes based on a book! wah wah wah.

What's sad is instead of talking about any of the actual issues we face, you folks are too busy calling everyone a bigot or hateful who doesn't follow your socialism ideology.

You lost, get over it.

- DADES - This is a signature of my name, enjoy!

RT never tires of attacking the veritable army of straw men he's constructed to represent anyone who doesn't think the way he does.
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
4. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 15, 2012, 12:16 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Axis wrote on Nov 15, 2012, 12:05:
Good thing republicans squashed that bill.

Bad thing liberals are promoting Agenda 21 like hotcakes. See ya in chains!
They squashed this one. Where were they when Bush was passing this kind of stuff?

Bad thing is that some of it is needed, but it goes too far in giving them the ability to snoop anything and everything without a warrant.
 
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1. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 15, 2012, 10:44 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Wow. I'd be seriously pissed if I had bought their software and had something like that happen. Definitely a company to avoid.  
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
236. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 11, 2012, 23:49 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Prez wrote on Nov 11, 2012, 22:15:
Well, it appears that my suggestion for compromise MIGHT be an actual possibility. Of course, considering the source you might want to take it with a salt shaker's worth of salt. I can't find the story anywhere else - I tried though.

Bob Corker, one of the key negotiators is my state senator and is one of the compromsers I mentioned that the majority of the Republican party faithful revile, so it may possibly come to pass.

I heard basically the same thing on NPR earlier, so it seems they may be making progress. Of course last time Boehner and the President came to an agreement, he wasn't able to sell it to the House. Hopefully he'll have some better leverage over them this time. I would hope the RNC would be backing him and giving him the power he needs.
 
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230. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2012, 21:49 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Prez wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 21:37:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 20:43:
Prez wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 19:04:
Well, what I am seeing two parties dropping anchor and refusing to budge from their positions, which belies the overwhelming judgment of those here who emphatically insist that it's only the GOP that won't compromise. Neither party is blameless in the stalemate by my estimation. When is the last time Harry Reid talked about compromise?

It's the problem with politics today - the constituency elects hard-nosed idealists and looks at candidates willing to compromise as weak.

Umm... what exactly do you want the Democrats to offer? They've already offered like 3 or 4 to one cuts to revenues. Republicans said no, they'd only accept 0 revenues. That was a long while back. Now they've tightened up again and are talking 2-3 to 1 cuts to revenues. Republicans still say they won't accept revenue increases. So we can't even begin to negotiate what or how much to cut when the Republicans won't budge at all on revenues. They've already pledged to do what Norquist wants, not what's best for the country. They've painted themselves into a corner.

That's what the public - you and me - hear. Through the sensationalist media. I would expect that instead of trading public jabs to score political points on the nightly news these clowns would get behind closed doors and actually do some negotiating. And another thing; cuts are not concessions; in the mess we are in they are an absolute necessity and a foregone conclusion. The Democrats are not yielding anything. The two parties need to sit down and work out what exactly will be cut instead of whoring themselves to the media. In union negotiations at work the two parties will present an unyielding stance upfront but with ardent negotiation sooner or later compromises are always reached. That's what negotiating is, and the Democrats are no more willing to do it than the Republicans are. Obama needs to force these guys to the table and fight it out. Enough of the media showboating.
Like I said, when the Republicans are saying that revenues are off the table, that's obstructing. Democrats haven't put anything off the table. That's not obstructing. There's room to negotiate there. Republicans need to stop saying that anything is completely off the table before any real negotiations can begin. It's just a ridiculous stance, even if it is just for public consumption. None of us knows what's going on behind closed doors, but we can all see that the Republicans are publicly being obstructionist, as they've been all along on a whole variety of issues.

At this point I'm starting to lean towards letting the sequestration happen. I know it's risky, but I'm sick of the bullshit that Boehner's group is pulling. I'm sick of filibuster threats and black and white views of everything, and I'm sick of their delusional view of things. I'm starting to be willing to see the deep cuts happen, just so the Republicans will lose all the Bush tax cuts, and then we can start fresh. Then we can cut taxes for the middle class. Then we can strategically restore funding where it's needed.

Of course I can easily see them refusing even tax cuts for the middle class if they can't get them for the very wealthy too. Just going by their current refusal to give even the slightest bit on taxes.
 
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228. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2012, 20:43 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Prez wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 19:04:
Well, what I am seeing two parties dropping anchor and refusing to budge from their positions, which belies the overwhelming judgment of those here who emphatically insist that it's only the GOP that won't compromise. Neither party is blameless in the stalemate by my estimation. When is the last time Harry Reid talked about compromise?

It's the problem with politics today - the constituency elects hard-nosed idealists and looks at candidates willing to compromise as weak.

Umm... what exactly do you want the Democrats to offer? They've already offered like 3 or 4 to one cuts to revenues. Republicans said no, they'd only accept 0 revenues. That was a long while back. Now they've tightened up again and are talking 2-3 to 1 cuts to revenues. Republicans still say they won't accept revenue increases. So we can't even begin to negotiate what or how much to cut when the Republicans won't budge at all on revenues. They've already pledged to do what Norquist wants, not what's best for the country. They've painted themselves into a corner.
 
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226. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2012, 18:51 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Prez wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 18:35:
Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 11:19:
Prez wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 10:35:
I'm not aware of who Grover Norquist is, which is odd since I pay attention to the goings-on in the legislature, but I am going to go out on a limb and say I highly doubt they "swore fealty" to him. I have never heard John Boehner explicitly state that he equates closing loopholes with a tax hike. If he does then he is flat incorrect because it isn't.
Not heard of Grover Norquist? Either you are being sarcastic or you haven't been paying attention to the discussion around raising taxes in the US. I barely pay attention and I know of him and why despite not being a member of government why he is part of the discussion around revenue increases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist


Why would I suddenly start being sarcastic after discussing this seriously all this time? I honestly didn't know of the guy. I pay less attention to the tax discussion simply because I believe that ethically and morally speaking, before we start taking more of other peoples' money I think we have an obligation of reigning in spending and eliminating the disgusting amount of waste in government. In my opinion that needs toncome first, and the Democrats just won't get on board.

Democrats are on board with cuts, but they want revenue increases as well. We need both to get things going the right direction without screwing over the middle class and plunging the economy back into recession. The Republicans refuse, and have been obstructing any attempt at a deal. Hopefully you at least see that much now, and see why most of them are doing it.
 
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13. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Nov 9, 2012, 13:19 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Prez wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 01:36:
Can anybody possibly be against the death penalty for Jared Loughner (Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords' attacker) who only got life imprisonment today? The guy committed a premeditated mass slaughter of innocents at a peaceful political rally, including a young child who was there learning about politics with her mom. There can be no doubt he is the one responsible. Strap this monster into a chair and fry him until his brain melts.

The problem with the death penalty is not that it exists, but that it is used completely ineffectually. I don't share Cutter's desire to 'break a few eggs to make an omelet' (especially if I'm one of the innocent eggs), but there are many MANY cases in which the guilt of the accused is without question where not utilizing the death penaly is a downright travesty.

If only all death penalty cases were so open and shut, where the guy commits the crime in front of a hundred people and gets himself on camera, and then freely admits that he did it. Sadly, that isn't the way things generally work. The system is full of flaws, and even when we follow due process exactly, things still get screwed up, because people are flawed. They lie, they cheat, they cover their asses, they get lazy, they get complacent, in short they act like humans. I don't like the idea of putting someones life in the hands of a system like that. If that means that a guy like Loughner sits in a cell until he dies, then that's the price for making sure that more innocents don't die.
 
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222. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2012, 12:19 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 12:14:
Beamer wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 11:47:
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 11:27:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 23:15:
Beamer wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 22:20:
I don't get this social utopia garbage. Obama is less social than Joe McCarthy tax-wise, and has a lot in common with Eisenhower in nearly all areas of policy. Those guys would have punched you in the face for calling them socialists, yet Obama is very, very similar and gets knocked around.

Also, what's more important to protect - the rights of a large organization or the rights of the individual? I'm going individual. Regardless, RollingThunder only cares about HIS religion. Christianity? Protect at all costs! Again, if it was the Jehovah's Witnesses refusing to pay for health care for ANY of their employees, as they do not believe in modern science, he'd probably be against it. But he's one of those people that feels a need to be a victim, and there's a war on Christianity in his eyes.

Just watch Fox for a few hours and you can see that if there's any group in this country that feels they are victims, it's Republicans/Tea Partiers. They see themselves beset on all sides by liberals who are alternately lazy, incompetent boobs or evil masterminds who have fooled everyone, whichever fits their narrative at the time.

Actually I don't care about any religion, I said already I'm not religious, I was merely pointing out the status quo of hypocrisy liberals display on a regular basis. Where its politically correct to jump all over Christianity.

Comparing a Jehovah Witness owning a private company to a religious run university are not one in the same. Nice deflect there Beamer.

Still waiting to hear what you would cut btw. You libs seem to be scarce in that area, except when talking about the military.

At stake was hospitals, not just universities. But I don't really see a distinction - you're looking at the beliefs of the owner, are you not?

I've already said repeatedly that I'm not really a lib, and that I agreed with you on many of your cuts. I've also said that we should care less about cutting and more about spurring the economy, and raising taxes to 1960s levels is the best way to do that.

For the record, and I'm not sure if I mentioned this already, I'm not for the Bush tax cuts, I wasn't then either. Obviously taxes need to go up along with cuts. I just don't think it's fair to expect a very small portion of the population to cover the whole bill.
There's only a very small portion of the population who have seen their incomes rise in the past 15 years, and taxing them will not hurt the economy nearly as much as taxing the middle class. The middle class buying stuff is what drives the economy. Those at the very top will be just fine, as will the rest of us, because all that trickle-down stuff is complete garbage. You tax where the money is, and more and more, it's become highly concentrated in the hands of a very tiny minority of the population. Coincidentally enough, they are taxed at nowhere near the rate that the rest of us are. Depending on where they draw the line, I may see my taxes go up too. Sucks, especially since I don't agree with how that debt was racked up to begin with, but its gotta be paid for.
 
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219. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2012, 11:44 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 11:27:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 23:15:
Beamer wrote on Nov 8, 2012, 22:20:
I don't get this social utopia garbage. Obama is less social than Joe McCarthy tax-wise, and has a lot in common with Eisenhower in nearly all areas of policy. Those guys would have punched you in the face for calling them socialists, yet Obama is very, very similar and gets knocked around.

Also, what's more important to protect - the rights of a large organization or the rights of the individual? I'm going individual. Regardless, RollingThunder only cares about HIS religion. Christianity? Protect at all costs! Again, if it was the Jehovah's Witnesses refusing to pay for health care for ANY of their employees, as they do not believe in modern science, he'd probably be against it. But he's one of those people that feels a need to be a victim, and there's a war on Christianity in his eyes.

Just watch Fox for a few hours and you can see that if there's any group in this country that feels they are victims, it's Republicans/Tea Partiers. They see themselves beset on all sides by liberals who are alternately lazy, incompetent boobs or evil masterminds who have fooled everyone, whichever fits their narrative at the time.

Actually I don't care about any religion, I said already I'm not religious, I was merely pointing out the status quo of hypocrisy liberals display on a regular basis. Where its politically correct to jump all over Christianity.
There's no hypocrisy there. I'd jump all over any religion that tries to force the rest of us to live by their personal religious views.

RollinThundr wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 11:27:
Still waiting to hear what you would cut btw. You libs seem to be scarce in that area, except when talking about the military.

Still waiting to hear what your issue is with health care law providing for birth control since we're providing for non-essential stuff like Viagra for guys. Why the hypocrisy?

As for cuts, there's no point in discussing it until Republicans accept that they actually have to pay for stuff that they didn't pay for before, like the wars, tax cuts and drug bill. The current offer from Dems is something like 2 or 3 to one cuts to revenues, and the specifics won't matter until Republicans agree to budge on revenues.
 
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214. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2012, 11:18 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Prez wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 10:35:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 10:19:
Prez wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 09:52:
What's missing from that Boehner quote is any mention of accepting some revenue increases along with all the cuts, which has been their entire reason for obstructing all along. They want 0 revenue increase and all cuts. Haven't seen that change yet.

I actually agree that revenue boost is needed but that's easily done with closing loopholes - no tax increase needed. Just because Republicans staunchly oppose tax hikes doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't get on board with that, which as Reagan proved increases revenue from the wealthiest taxpayers since they make the most use of loopholes by a fair margin.

Actually they've explicitly said that they consider closing loopholes to be a tax hike. The command came down from God himself, Grover Norquist, to whom they've all sworn fealty. Grover says, "No net revenue increase, period." So if closing a loophole would result in more revenue for the government, it's out.

I'm not aware of who Grover Norquist is, which is odd since I pay attention to the goings-on in the legislature, but I am going to go out on a limb and say I highly doubt they "swore fealty" to him. I have never heard John Boehner explicitly state that he equates closing loopholes with a tax hike. If he does then he is flat incorrect because it isn't.

Seriously man, you need to look it up. All but 13 sitting Republicans in Congress actually signed a pledge, written and presented to them by Grover Norquist, pledging to never raise taxes, and he considers any net revenue increase to be a tax increase.

Americans for Tax Reform

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212. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2012, 10:19 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Prez wrote on Nov 9, 2012, 09:52:
What's missing from that Boehner quote is any mention of accepting some revenue increases along with all the cuts, which has been their entire reason for obstructing all along. They want 0 revenue increase and all cuts. Haven't seen that change yet.

I actually agree that revenue boost is needed but that's easily done with closing loopholes - no tax increase needed. Just because Republicans staunchly oppose tax hikes doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't get on board with that, which as Reagan proved increases revenue from the wealthiest taxpayers since they make the most use of loopholes by a fair margin.

Actually they've explicitly said that they consider closing loopholes to be a tax hike. The command came down from God himself, Grover Norquist, to whom they've all sworn fealty. Grover says, "No net revenue increase, period." So if closing a loophole would result in more revenue for the government, it's out.
 
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209. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2012, 09:02 Wowbagger_TIP
 
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John Boehner: "There's a lot of ways you could do this that would allow the Congress to fix our tax code next year, look at real spending cuts and entitlement reforms that would produce what the president's called for a balanced approach," he said.

No deal, Senate Democrats say. Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., outlined an opposing view: Democrats want an agreement to extend the Bush-era cuts on everyone except the top earners, and they want it done in the next 53 days. "Waiting for a month, six weeks, six months, that's not gonna solve the problem. We know what needs to be done," Reid said.

Boehner said his rank-and-file views heading over the cliff as "unacceptable," but he acknowledged there is no clear path forward for compromise. He was optimistic that a deal would be reached between himself, Reid and President Obama."


So I read the above excerpt from a USA Today article, and many others like it and I just don't see any GOP "obstructionism". From how it and other stories like it reads it's Boehner who is looking for compromise and Reid in his usual caustic manner flatly dismissing it.

Harry Reid has gone 4 years without calling for serious budget talks but all of a sudden this is a rush - in the next 53 days or GTFO! What am I missing? If closing loopholes and removing entitlements will get the rich to yield more tax revenue (which is exactly how Reagan handled it - lowering taxes overall while increasing tax revenue) why is it there is an all or nothing attitude on the part of Democrats for higher taxes on the rich? Who is stonewalling here?
What's missing from that Boehner quote is any mention of accepting some revenue increases along with all the cuts, which has been their entire reason for obstructing all along. They want 0 revenue increase and all cuts. Haven't seen that change yet.
 
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