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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
333. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 23, 2013, 12:20 Wowbagger_TIP
 
nin wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 11:16:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 10:45:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 09:19:
vomit, diarrhea

Lol @ you just doing everything you complain at others for, all in a single post! Yep, we're done here.

I think this is a great time to point to my sig, where he explains a lot of his behavior.

Yeah, I forgot that he's already admitted to being a troll. That seems more probable than him just having the reading comprehension and attention span of a gerbil.
 
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327. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 23, 2013, 10:45 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 23, 2013, 09:19:
The only point you've made is ignoring independent research and stuck your fingers in your ears. The liberal media bias is pretty obvious at this point. Anyone with half a brain who isn't a card carrying lib can see it easily, what humored me the most is 37% of democrats actually think the media is conservative biased across the board, if that isn't a fantasy land view, I'm not sure what is. Next you'll be telling me MSNBC is a conservative station.

This is what you lefties do when you can't disprove a talking point from the other side. Throw shit against the wall and hope something sticks.

Lol @ you just doing everything you complain at others for, all in a single post! Yep, we're done here.
 
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325. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 23, 2013, 09:03 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 22:56:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 22:48:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 22:29:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 22:21:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 18:34:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 18:19:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 17:29:

When the majority of Americans are getting there news from liberal sources like NBC and CBS how do you think they're going to process things?

You know as well as I do, if a republican president didn't pass a budget for a term and a half we'd never hear the end of it, and the president would be the focal point of the blame.



Obama has been given pass after pass after pass since day 1 and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

The liberal media that books conservatives almost 2 to 1 on its political shows? Whatever you're smoking, can I have a hit? I need some escape from reality.

You've already escaped reality, If George Bush were president right now having not worked hard enough with Congress, to get a budget passed for nearly his entire allowed two terms of presidency, The Rachel Maddows and Chris Matthews of the world would be having a fucking field day about it. C'mon let's be honest here.

I mean shit man, the way the guy talks like he's still in campaign mode you'd think he didn't realize he can't be reelected again.

Nice link to a known liberal biased blog btw. thanks for proving my point of the vast amount of liberal slanted media.

When Pew studies say exactly what I just said. http://tinyurl.com/kygl8br

A plurality, 46 percent, thought that most media organizations could best be described as “liberal” while 26 percent said that the media was largely “conservative.” While a majority of Republicans and a plurality of independents view the media as being “liberal,” self-identified Democrats are split down the middle. 36 percent of Democrats describe the media as being “liberal” while 37 percent consider the press “conservative.”

But just ignore Dan Rather on CBS using forged documents on a special about Bush. Or NBC editing the 911 call from Zimmerman. Or Maddow on MSNBC editing the clip of McCain talking to the parents of one of the school shootings. Nope......nothing to see here folks. Move along! No liberal spin here.

Love how you just ignore the countless times people here have offered evidence to prove your claims false, and you just move right on to your next ridiculous rant.

Nothing much to see here. RT is pretty much just like most other TPers, incapable of understanding any argument that doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.

Why not debate and disprove what I posted rather than toss out some ad homs? And you wonder why I kept saying you people don't live in reality and just make it up as you go along.

Because, as soon as I prove something you say to be false, you just change the subject and move on. You've tossed out a bunch of ad homs yourself in this thread, and just did it again right now, so you can shut up about that now too. It's utterly pointless to debate anything with you when you just ignore and move on each time.

Pew research is independent. Posting from a liberally biased blog is not. I even gave you examples of liberal media doctoring news to slant to a certain opinion.

JD has actually debated in this thread. You and folks like beamer rely on adhoms and name calling and generally not much else.

Usually when people have an opinion on a certain topic they cite reasons to back up why they think that way. Which is why I throw out the vast amount of examples I do to back up my opinion.

If you're only retort is you're wrong without giving legitimate reasons why and just calling someone a troll or a moron, that doesn't really win you many points in a discussion.
Everything seems liberally biased when you're on the far right of the scale. There's no other direction to go! I think you've made my point for me here.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
323. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 22, 2013, 22:48 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 22:29:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 22:21:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 18:34:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 18:19:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 17:29:

When the majority of Americans are getting there news from liberal sources like NBC and CBS how do you think they're going to process things?

You know as well as I do, if a republican president didn't pass a budget for a term and a half we'd never hear the end of it, and the president would be the focal point of the blame.



Obama has been given pass after pass after pass since day 1 and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

The liberal media that books conservatives almost 2 to 1 on its political shows? Whatever you're smoking, can I have a hit? I need some escape from reality.

You've already escaped reality, If George Bush were president right now having not worked hard enough with Congress, to get a budget passed for nearly his entire allowed two terms of presidency, The Rachel Maddows and Chris Matthews of the world would be having a fucking field day about it. C'mon let's be honest here.

I mean shit man, the way the guy talks like he's still in campaign mode you'd think he didn't realize he can't be reelected again.

Nice link to a known liberal biased blog btw. thanks for proving my point of the vast amount of liberal slanted media.

When Pew studies say exactly what I just said. http://tinyurl.com/kygl8br

A plurality, 46 percent, thought that most media organizations could best be described as “liberal” while 26 percent said that the media was largely “conservative.” While a majority of Republicans and a plurality of independents view the media as being “liberal,” self-identified Democrats are split down the middle. 36 percent of Democrats describe the media as being “liberal” while 37 percent consider the press “conservative.”

But just ignore Dan Rather on CBS using forged documents on a special about Bush. Or NBC editing the 911 call from Zimmerman. Or Maddow on MSNBC editing the clip of McCain talking to the parents of one of the school shootings. Nope......nothing to see here folks. Move along! No liberal spin here.

Love how you just ignore the countless times people here have offered evidence to prove your claims false, and you just move right on to your next ridiculous rant.

Nothing much to see here. RT is pretty much just like most other TPers, incapable of understanding any argument that doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.

Why not debate and disprove what I posted rather than toss out some ad homs? And you wonder why I kept saying you people don't live in reality and just make it up as you go along.

Because, as soon as I prove something you say to be false, you just change the subject and move on. You've tossed out a bunch of ad homs yourself in this thread, and just did it again right now, so you can shut up about that now too. It's utterly pointless to debate anything with you when you just ignore and move on each time.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
321. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 22, 2013, 22:21 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 18:34:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 18:19:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 17:29:

When the majority of Americans are getting there news from liberal sources like NBC and CBS how do you think they're going to process things?

You know as well as I do, if a republican president didn't pass a budget for a term and a half we'd never hear the end of it, and the president would be the focal point of the blame.



Obama has been given pass after pass after pass since day 1 and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

The liberal media that books conservatives almost 2 to 1 on its political shows? Whatever you're smoking, can I have a hit? I need some escape from reality.

You've already escaped reality, If George Bush were president right now having not worked hard enough with Congress, to get a budget passed for nearly his entire allowed two terms of presidency, The Rachel Maddows and Chris Matthews of the world would be having a fucking field day about it. C'mon let's be honest here.

I mean shit man, the way the guy talks like he's still in campaign mode you'd think he didn't realize he can't be reelected again.

Nice link to a known liberal biased blog btw. thanks for proving my point of the vast amount of liberal slanted media.

When Pew studies say exactly what I just said. http://tinyurl.com/kygl8br

A plurality, 46 percent, thought that most media organizations could best be described as “liberal” while 26 percent said that the media was largely “conservative.” While a majority of Republicans and a plurality of independents view the media as being “liberal,” self-identified Democrats are split down the middle. 36 percent of Democrats describe the media as being “liberal” while 37 percent consider the press “conservative.”

But just ignore Dan Rather on CBS using forged documents on a special about Bush. Or NBC editing the 911 call from Zimmerman. Or Maddow on MSNBC editing the clip of McCain talking to the parents of one of the school shootings. Nope......nothing to see here folks. Move along! No liberal spin here.

Love how you just ignore the countless times people here have offered evidence to prove your claims false, and you just move right on to your next ridiculous rant.

Nothing much to see here. RT is pretty much just like most other TPers, incapable of understanding any argument that doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.
 
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News Comments > Monaco Adds Free Content
2. Re: Monaco Adds Free Content Oct 22, 2013, 10:27 Wowbagger_TIP
 
nin wrote on Oct 22, 2013, 10:04:
Kept meaning to go back and play this some more as it was really fun, except for the damn dogs.

I don't generally play multiplayer games, since it's hard to commit to uninterrupted gsming time. Is this any good as a single-player game?
 
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308. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 21, 2013, 23:40 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:33:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:06:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 08:55:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 03:24:
Wall of liberal drivel
http://tinyurl.com/oxm87bo, http://tinyurl.com/kcaeqf3, http://tinyurl.com/mxudu9s, http://tinyurl.com/2w4jgsd

Yeah it's totally the republicans who commit voter fraud and intimidation.

Also of note is the IRS audits against Tea Party groups because they're TP groups. Should I continue? Or are you going to continue to only say the republicans are bad?

Wow, really? That's all you've got? Let's look at these.

Link 1: someone voted for Obama six times. Like I said, there were 24 cases of voter fraud. Obviously she's one of them. 24 out of 197,000,000. Lightening strikes and shark bites.
Link 2: Anecdotal. Where's the follow up? What's the other side of the story, could it have been simple miscommunication?
Link 3: Acorn? Really? Jim O'Keefe get's the Acorn equivalent of a McD's employee to say something strange on camera resulting in the entire defunding of the operation, an operation which worked to improve the lives of the poor. Pure entrapment.
Link 4: Another anecdote, but I agree: if they're intimidating, or electioneering within 100' of the polling place, they should be arrested, per the law.
IRS Scandal: That was bad, and you won't see me defending it. Although the IRS delayed approval for several liberal groups as well as many Tea Party groups, it was mostly Tea Party, and that discrimination never should have happened.

Okay, so you're pulling out isolated incidents carried out by individuals, even in the IRS case. Many of these are investigated, under investigation, and/or prosecuted (Acorn unjustly so, IMO). The worst among them is the IRS scandal.

However, all of these are a drop in the bucket compared to what I'm talking about: A massively funded multipronged nationwide coordinated attack on democracy by the Republicans:
- Attempting to weaken the president by delegitimizing him using a plethora of groups pushing various misinformation and lies (Birthers, etc.).
- Attempting to disenfranchise entire classes of voters, potentially millions of people by limiting early voting and pushing for voter ID laws to attempt to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist.
- Attempting to overturn the constitutional law of the land by shutting down the government instead of using the legislative process.
- Blocking and filibustering democratic legislation and appointees at a rate unprecedented in history

Why do you keep defending the indefensible? Notice how I agree the IRS scandal was wrong. You've done none of that.

At the least we agree on the IRS scandal. And while I really don't buy into the birther garbage, and that's exactly what it is garbage, I find it extremely hard to deny that Obama is trying to fundamentally change the US and and not for the better, the obvious socialist tones he often makes in his speeches quite honestly are frightening to someone who values the Constitution and wishes this country to remain free, and continue to have rights, like the 2nd amendment. His desire to gun grab when you need look no further than his very own home district of Shitcago to see that oppressive gun laws do nothing to reduce crime. Instead they do the opposite, empower criminals because they know they're the ones with the guns.

Can you at least acknowledge the points at hand before you go off on another tangent? What exactly do you believe Obama has done to create this "overgrown executive branch" that wasn't already being done by Bush?
 
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News Comments > Path of Exile Launch This Week
14. Re: Path of Exile Launch This Week Oct 21, 2013, 23:24 Wowbagger_TIP
 
jacobvandy wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 22:46:
Darks wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:49:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:44:
loomy wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:02:
this game is a clusterfuck. but it also feels more like diablo than diablo 3 does, so it's worth trying
Clusterfuck how, exactly? I haven't played in a while, but the beta was shaping up pretty nicely. Really just needed more content, which they seem to have added.

I agree, I've been playing it the past two weeks and its so much different then it was a year ago. As for the money. I see nothing that prevents anyone from playing this game from start to finish without spending one dime.

The only thing I see that may kill this game is that the devs allowed the player to go up to level 99. I'm not sure how much life you can get out of this game after leveling that far without any add-ons coming out. I would have thought the smart move here would be to limit the leveling up to around 70 then bring out add-ons giving players the ability to level up 10 more level per add-on.


You're not going to reach the max level (100) unless you spend months on-end grinding for extremely small amounts of XP. There are diminishing returns at the high end that make maxing out your character very difficult for everyone and only achievable by the most dedicated (and masochistic) of players. This is why just about every build you see online plans out to only level 80-85, because that is what is feasible to attain with what content is currently available. And even that is based upon an end-game, following completion of all story-related content through several difficulty levels, wherein you farm randomly-generated dungeons starting at around 70-75. I hear only a handful of people have reached 100 since the start of open beta, literally only 4 or 5, when they have several million registered accounts.

The replayability from this game comes with trying out the other classes, as well as building out each class in different ways. They're going to keep adding content on a consistent basis (small updates every two weeks with larger expansions every few months), so that should be more than enough to keep any ARPG fan satisfied (all completely FREE, no less). If your sole purpose in playing this game, is to reach the level cap with one character... Good luck, lol.
I never have had much interest in getting anywhere near level cap. I find some new interesting build to play by the time I hit around 60 usually It does get pretty grindy going forward from there, and I don't have the patience for it, and haven't been interested in multiboxing for farming decent gear.

I'm looking forward to the additional content coming up as well. Lots to keep busy with for a while in this game.
 
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4. Re: Path of Exile Launch This Week Oct 21, 2013, 21:44 Wowbagger_TIP
 
loomy wrote on Oct 21, 2013, 21:02:
this game is a clusterfuck. but it also feels more like diablo than diablo 3 does, so it's worth trying
Clusterfuck how, exactly? I haven't played in a while, but the beta was shaping up pretty nicely. Really just needed more content, which they seem to have added.
 
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253. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 21, 2013, 00:30 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 20, 2013, 22:54:
Forcing people to buy healthcare or be fined is not a tax. Call it what it is, forcing a service on US citizens, which is a direct violation of the Constitution. Calling it a tax is just a loophole and one the SC should have had the balls to slap down.
Nope, read the ruling. It depends on how it's implemented, and it was implemented as a tax.

RollinThundr wrote on Oct 20, 2013, 22:54:
Right, like that broad in Ohio who voted what, 5? 6 times for Obama? I don't see Conservative groups intimidating voters either like the Black Panthers and similar liberal groups.
Right. There are so many examples that you happen to remember a specific one rather than cite any actual data. Let me know once you have more than an anecdote. There were also plenty of examples of Republicans harassing or deceiving voters.

RollinThundr wrote on Oct 20, 2013, 22:54:
Voting is important, making sure those votes are legal should also be important, illegal immigrants are always going to vote for democrats. The simple solution would be picture ID.
Do you have actual evidence of a significant problem of illegals voting? If not, then I'm gonna go with the reason that the Republicans behind these laws gave when talking about them at their gatherings. They were designed to decrease Democratic voter turnout. They didn't have any evidence of voter fraud.
 
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251. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 20, 2013, 21:26 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 20, 2013, 04:48:
Sepharo wrote on Oct 19, 2013, 16:34:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 19, 2013, 13:40:
They're turning on them because the TP doesn't want to be beholden to big business like a lot of the Republicans are already. They want to follow the constitution and slim down government. The fact that people have issue with that really does blow my mind. You know rather than keep voting for two sides of the same coin and hope and change that is always more of the same?

"Beholden to big business" in this instance is "not destroying the U.S. economy". Big business likes when the tea party talks about deregulation and lower taxes, they don't like when they make credible threats against the economy... That's not good for business.

I think this administration has done a good job destroying the economy without help from the TP quite honestly. There's a reason all these internet groups among others are distancing themselves.

Obamacare for example, should have never been signed into law in the first place. It's unconstitutional for the US government to force any sort of service on it's people. That's exactly what Obamacare does.

Makes me wonder what Eric "I should be in jail" Holder has on the SC justices that they let this travesty of a bill get signed into law.
Nothing. It's a tax, plain and simple. They tried to avoid calling it that since it makes Republican knees all jerky, but that's what it was, and that's what the court pointed out, which is why it's not unconstitutional.


RollinThundr wrote on Oct 20, 2013, 04:48:
Then you get into voter fraud and voter intimidation, another thing dems are experts in. Though I wonder if next election will bring out as many Black Panthers this time around.

And to think if we just forced people to show an id that proves they're a US citizen a lot of that could be avoided. But that would be racist too apparently. Rolleyes2
You're really gonna go there? I think you'll find the actual fraud/intimidation cases fall heavier on the Republican side, and are still negligible when it comes to actual elections anyway. Then we get to all the anti-voter laws that Republicans were passing specifically, and admittedly to reduce Democratic turnout. They couldn't even point to any actual cases of in-person voting fraud, because there are so few as to make them inconsequential. So really, take your bullshit on this subject somewhere else. I'm sick to death of Republicans talking about voter fraud. It's all complete bullshit.
 
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246. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 19, 2013, 19:14 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 19, 2013, 13:40:
They're turning on them because the TP doesn't want to be beholden to big business like a lot of the Republicans are already. They want to follow the constitution and slim down government. The fact that people have issue with that really does blow my mind. You know rather than keep voting for two sides of the same coin and hope and change that is always more of the same?

While I don't enjoy voting for the lesser evil, I will do that rather than vote for these guys that are largely either complete idiots, or at least doing a good impression of one in order to appeal to their base. Just listening to their speeches is painful, as they're either transparently lying or just saying things so stupid that it's downright frightening that they actually got elected.

Besides, these TP guys aren't going to do anything to fix the lousy electoral system we have, which is a big part of the reason we end up with the choice between dumb and dumber.

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1. Re: Evening Patches Oct 18, 2013, 22:22 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Marvel Heroes 1.4 and Grim Dawn beta for early access backers are out today too  
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241. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 18, 2013, 19:37 Wowbagger_TIP
 
Dirwulf wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 15:49:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 09:35:
Verno wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 08:47:
You can't get mad at them, you totally misrepresented something and got nailed on it. There is no dancing around it, my 5 year old knows better than to pull that crap. You want to push your agenda then at least own it when you screw up.

I'm not really mad to be honest, just eye rolling at how hypocritical most left leaning people are. I have read so much whining and crying about the tea party and what they stand for, when everyone who likes freedom and their rights should be moving to embrace them.

The 2 party system really is one party, they just have their spending priorities in difference places. I'd never thought I'd say it but really if we want any small possible chance at actual Hope and Change and not that bullshit Obama's been selling you, people would start voting for the Cruzs' and Pauls' of the world, rather than continuing to reelect the same bozos every 4 years, be they either D or R.

George Carlin really said it best, "Sooner or later the people of this country are going to realize government doesn't give a fuck about them,government doesn't care about you, All they're interested in is keeping and expanding their own power"

Even the business people are turning against the tea party now.
Not that I trust the business community to do anything except deregulate themselves and push for anything that lets them make more money regardless of the consequences, but at least they aren't trying to destroy the economy like the TP morons. Maybe they'll be slightly more discerning in who they throw money at in the future...
 
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240. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 18, 2013, 19:33 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 16:00:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 15:50:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 15:36:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 15:09:
Apparently you care since you were the one insisting that the TP is a grass roots thing from 2009. Soros has absolutely nothing to do with your claim and nobody else said anything about him. You were just wrong. Deal with it and quit bringing up irrelevant other crap.

As for the superpacs thing, I don't see a way to fix it short of doing public financing of campaigns. Even that is only a partial fix. Maybe you have some better idea that won't run afoul of the first amendment.

I don't think the first amendment has much to do with giving politicians tons of cash.

I shouldn't have to bring up the reason I mentioned him at all. It was merely to demonstrate that it's ok when liberals do it, fund causes and push their believes and agendas, you guys have zero issue with that. To be honest it's guys like Soros that caused the shift in this country to push forth the believe that everyone is entitled out of the womb. Not one person would have thought that way 20 years ago.

When conservative groups do it, you get upset about it. You can't have it both ways.

I think the message however is more important, so I'll repeat it again, smaller, streamlined and more limited government oversight, (yes you still need regulations for things don't go there) and reigning in the spending.

I really don't care how we get there to be honest.

Dude. You are not getting it. Nobody made any claim about it being ok for liberals but not for conservatives. Nobody gave a damn that the Kochs created the TP. The ONLY point of dispute is that you were claiming that they weren't involved until later. THAT is the only thing that was being corrected. Everything else you've been saying is just straw-man bullshit. OK?

As for the first amendment being an issue, look at how the money is used by the campaigns. They buy assloads of advertising with it. So what if the money doesn't go directly to the candidate but to some other corporation set up as a superpac or whatever other type of corp is convenient. Are we going to prevent them from running ads on TV? What if the ads don't specifically mention the candidate, even if they make it obvious who it is? How obvious would it have to be? That's just regulation hell right there, and I wouldn't want to go there.

Honestly, poltical ads are all mud slinging these days anyway and are dishonest on both sides. We need them why?

How could they be prevented?
 
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237. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 18, 2013, 15:50 Wowbagger_TIP
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 15:36:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 15:09:
Apparently you care since you were the one insisting that the TP is a grass roots thing from 2009. Soros has absolutely nothing to do with your claim and nobody else said anything about him. You were just wrong. Deal with it and quit bringing up irrelevant other crap.

As for the superpacs thing, I don't see a way to fix it short of doing public financing of campaigns. Even that is only a partial fix. Maybe you have some better idea that won't run afoul of the first amendment.

I don't think the first amendment has much to do with giving politicians tons of cash.

I shouldn't have to bring up the reason I mentioned him at all. It was merely to demonstrate that it's ok when liberals do it, fund causes and push their believes and agendas, you guys have zero issue with that. To be honest it's guys like Soros that caused the shift in this country to push forth the believe that everyone is entitled out of the womb. Not one person would have thought that way 20 years ago.

When conservative groups do it, you get upset about it. You can't have it both ways.

I think the message however is more important, so I'll repeat it again, smaller, streamlined and more limited government oversight, (yes you still need regulations for things don't go there) and reigning in the spending.

I really don't care how we get there to be honest.

Dude. You are not getting it. Nobody made any claim about it being ok for liberals but not for conservatives. Nobody gave a damn that the Kochs created the TP. The ONLY point of dispute is that you were claiming that they weren't involved until later. THAT is the only thing that was being corrected. Everything else you've been saying is just straw-man bullshit. OK?

As for the first amendment being an issue, look at how the money is used by the campaigns. They buy assloads of advertising with it. So what if the money doesn't go directly to the candidate but to some other corporation set up as a superpac or whatever other type of corp is convenient. Are we going to prevent them from running ads on TV? What if the ads don't specifically mention the candidate, even if they make it obvious who it is? How obvious would it have to be? That's just regulation hell right there, and I wouldn't want to go there.
 
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RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 12:14:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 12:11:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 05:34:
Here's the thing, if you people are so upset that a group would like to actually respect the US Constitution and follow it, while at the same time being fine with a socialist douchenozzle like Soros doing the same exact thing for far longer pushing "progressive" drivel, I have zero to say to you.


I didn't realize either that Jenny Beth Martin, you know the person who actually co founded the tea party movement was a Koch brother. Keep drinking that liberal media kool aid however (grape drank flavor no doubt). Ridiculous claims indeed.

So Ms. Martin set up that Tea Party website back in 2002? Whatever. She's probably the last person that should be discussing fiscal responsibility anyway, given her own past.

Regardless, it isn't hypocritical to point out that the TP has a history that predates 2009. You keep adding your straw-man comments to try to make it seem that way, but I've never defended Soros or any other billionaire, since I really don't know much about them. I only looked into this TP question a while back because others like you were making this claim that the Kochs had nothing to do with its creation.

And Soros has been doing it since the 70's, who cares?
Apparently you care since you were the one insisting that the TP is a grass roots thing from 2009. Soros has absolutely nothing to do with your claim and nobody else said anything about him. You were just wrong. Deal with it and quit bringing up irrelevant other crap.

As for the superpacs thing, I don't see a way to fix it short of doing public financing of campaigns. Even that is only a partial fix. Maybe you have some better idea that won't run afoul of the first amendment.
 
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RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 05:34:
Here's the thing, if you people are so upset that a group would like to actually respect the US Constitution and follow it, while at the same time being fine with a socialist douchenozzle like Soros doing the same exact thing for far longer pushing "progressive" drivel, I have zero to say to you.


I didn't realize either that Jenny Beth Martin, you know the person who actually co founded the tea party movement was a Koch brother. Keep drinking that liberal media kool aid however (grape drank flavor no doubt). Ridiculous claims indeed.

So Ms. Martin set up that Tea Party website back in 2002? Whatever. She's probably the last person that should be discussing fiscal responsibility anyway, given her own past.

Regardless, it isn't hypocritical to point out that the TP has a history that predates 2009. You keep adding your straw-man comments to try to make it seem that way, but I've never defended Soros or any other billionaire, since I really don't know much about them. I only looked into this TP question a while back because others like you were making this claim that the Kochs had nothing to do with its creation.
 
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RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 00:36:
Dirwulf wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 21:01:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 15:26:
Redmask wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 15:20:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 15:16:
Yeah as a parent it's your job, not the government's.

Hahah that was in a thread about in app phone purchases, good try to save face though!


Sure thing cupcake, doesn't make it any less true. Speaking of phones has Obama paid your mortgage and given you a shiny Obama phone yet? Allthumbsup

You should really educate yourself about the Lifeline program. There really is no such thing as an Obama phone, but you like to spread lies and Dittohead bullshit.

Do some research on who George Soros is, then come back and bitch about the Koch brothers. That's the thing with the more left/moderate leaning folks on this site. They demonize the Republicans all day long for this or that, yet not one peep that their own do it just as much if not more.
Dude, what are you talking about? Nobody said anything about Soros not funding liberal groups. What I, and others, took issue with was your claim that the TP was just a grass-roots thing rather than a creation of the Koch brothers. That was entirely wrong, as it's been pointed out to you. They've been working on the TP thing for over a decade. You can stop making your ridiculous claim now.
 
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RollinThundr wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 18:13:
The tea party wasn't started by the Koch Brothers, they simply latched onto it. At any rate George Soros is just as bad if not worse. Again BOTH parties do this shit, yet only the republicans get repeatedly blasted for it. It's hypocrisy at it's finest.

If by "latched onto it" you mean "planned it for years in advance". Here's a website from a group they were funding over ten years ago: this is from 2002

They turned it from a fairly small, disorganized group of pissed off people into a large, well-organized, well-publicized, pseudo-third-party by throwing millions of dollars at it. So, no, it's really not just some grass-roots group. The Kochs bankrolled it, and Murdoch made Fox into their media arm.
 
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