NKD wrote on Feb 28, 2013, 18:25:

ItBurn wrote on Feb 28, 2013, 17:30:

NKD wrote on Feb 28, 2013, 17:13:
Also EVE is already essentially free to play once you've got some income. You can buy game-time with in-game currency!

I've played for several years and never had enough money for that.
As for being able to be effective quickly, I call bullshit on that. Unless the game dramatically changed since I played. Back when I played, you had to train for months before you could do anything productive at all. And if you did something well, it was that ONLY thing, nothing else. And you had to focus only on that or else you were severly gimping yourself. Got boring quick.

If you played for several years and weren't making enough money per month to pay for your game time, you were probably spreading yourself way too thin or were just sitting offline training skills instead of actually playing and making money. When a month of gameplay is 1/4th the cost of a nicely fitted battleship or strategic cruiser, it's hard to imagine not being able to pull that together in a month on a focused character with skills that bring in actual money.

There's no reason after 3 months of training that you should HAVE to pay a monthly fee. I pay a monthly fee because I don't log in often enough right now to actually make ISKs. In fact, I lose ISKs because of skill book costs. But if I were to log in I could pay for my sub in 20 hours of running missions or mining. 20 hours a month to avoid a monthly fee isn't a huge investment.

In fact, I really do wonder what you actually do in EVE. You have no isk, and say it takes months to get effective. Get effective at what? Running L4 missions? Sure. Wormhole space? Sure. Tackling? Sniping? Scouting? Mining? Hauling? All of those are 4-6 week training to get effective enough to where you can get into an okay corp. In fact, you'll have the character skills before you actually know how to properly play the role. They do give you accelerated learning for your first so many SP now though, and have eliminated the "Learn to learn faster" skill tree.

NKD wrote on Feb 28, 2013, 17:13:
Also EVE is already essentially free to play once you've got some income. You can buy game-time with in-game currency!

SpectralMeat wrote on Feb 28, 2013, 14:21:

PsychoMoggieBagpuss wrote on Feb 28, 2013, 14:00:
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

In my case I was moving all my stuff from one base to another due to relocating for agent missions. I have my blueprints for ammo, drones etc so I am not so dependent on the market in the region I am working out of.
I was careless and going through a sector that was 0.4 security and sure enough I was ambushed at the gate.
I wasn't mad about it rather amazed by how organized and high tech the pirates were, and also thankful they let me get away in my pod. They only wanted to blow up my ship I guess.
It is a fun game for sure and the "death" penalty can be pretty devastating if you aren't careful.
All the dull time in the game makes the combat the more emotional and exciting.

Mr. Tact wrote on Feb 28, 2013, 12:48:
I've been intrigued by this game for years, but I've always been put off by the "griefing" issue and the seeming complexity of the game. Complexity isn't of itself bad, but jumping into a complex game that's been around for years as a total noob, doesn't have much appeal.

Nomaar wrote on Feb 28, 2013, 11:09:

ItBurn wrote on Feb 28, 2013, 10:55:

Nomaar wrote on Feb 28, 2013, 10:51:

ItBurn wrote on Feb 28, 2013, 10:27:
Wow. let me balance things here.

Eve is an amazingly complex game and there's definitely no other like it. You can really get lost into this "other world".

With that said, to offset all the positive comments in the thread, the game is boring. Extremely boring.

A lot of people are going to find it boring, but they're not striving for mass appeal. They're serving a very specific niche and have stuck to that philosophy for over a decade. That's something to be admired in an industry where just about every publisher seems to eventually succumb to the temptation to dumb things down to increase sales.

Definitely. I'm glad it exists. It just pisses me off that it's so close to greatness, but made all these decisions I don't agree with. If I ever become super depressive or if my life becomes unbearably terrible, I'll probably get lost in EVE and play 24/7 :p

It's kind of funny you mentioned that, because as someone who as played on and off since beta, I too have noticed it's a game I'm drawn to when I'm feeling down and depressed. When my wife got breast cancer eight years ago, I used to get lost in that game well into the night after she'd gone to sleep (She battled it and won, btw).

Nomaar wrote on Feb 28, 2013, 10:51:

ItBurn wrote on Feb 28, 2013, 10:27:
Wow. let me balance things here.

Eve is an amazingly complex game and there's definitely no other like it. You can really get lost into this "other world".

With that said, to offset all the positive comments in the thread, the game is boring. Extremely boring.

A lot of people are going to find it boring, but they're not striving for mass appeal. They're serving a very specific niche and have stuck to that philosophy for over a decade. That's something to be admired in an industry where just about every publisher seems to eventually succumb to the temptation to dumb things down to increase sales.

HorrorScope wrote on Feb 24, 2013, 20:15:

JohnBirshire wrote on Feb 24, 2013, 18:19:
I loved Skyrim and finished 70% of the content or so. Finished main quest, mages guild, dark brotherhood, and companions. The game got incredibly boring though when you were so powerful you could tear every enemy up in two seconds on hardest difficulty, so didn't get around to finishing imperials vs locals or the thieves guild. Does Dragonborn make the game any more challenging?

M O D S

Zoom wrote on Feb 13, 2013, 13:39:
I didnt have that much fun since Titan Quest + Immortal Throne ! And that says a lot.
Finally the maze-like passive skill tree is not so impressive after getting used to it, and the active skill build was IMHO more interesting in TQ/IT. Here the gem system sounds like a good idea but is quickly limited, and the skills lack the huge variety that was found in TQ. Otherwise the game is pretty well executed now, grim, intense, very dark in mood (especially the last act !), and musics are top notch (again, act 3 really shines).
There is an obvious missing act 4 i guess (and it goes a lot like TQ here, on many aspects), this will hopefully come later.
That last patch brought a bit more shine and IMHO it's already quite superior to Diablo 3, or otherwise put it's what D3 should have been.

Sepharo wrote on Feb 12, 2013, 21:26:

ItBurn wrote on Feb 12, 2013, 09:28:

Sepharo wrote on Feb 11, 2013, 21:20:

ItBurn wrote on Feb 11, 2013, 09:26:
I don't like Telltale. I paid for all the walking dead episodes, but I can't play them. It won't continue past episode 2 with my choices! Tons of people have savegame corruption and they do nothing to fix it. I went through the forums and there's no fix for my problem. This is inexcusable. I can't even login to their forums! I log in, it works, but when I post, it says I can't, because I'm not logged in. Nothing works... And of course I never got an answer for my support ticket.

It's something that happens everytime? I know it's an annoying proposition but why not just uninstall the game, delete your saves, and start over?

Hells no. There's no way to skip anything in this game. It would take hours. Why would I want to waste my time like that? It's not like my mind was blown from the first two episodes... They were... OK.

Well considering there's a bunch of choices to make you could at least experience a slightly different play through. You've only played 2 episodes, and you won't have to re-figure out any puzzles (not that they're any challenge anyway). I'd say you're looking at about 4-5 hours right?

I understand your frustration but I would say that it's uncommon for any developer to fix corrupted saves. Typically you just need to start over... Sorry that sucks.

Sepharo wrote on Feb 11, 2013, 21:20:

ItBurn wrote on Feb 11, 2013, 09:26:
I don't like Telltale. I paid for all the walking dead episodes, but I can't play them. It won't continue past episode 2 with my choices! Tons of people have savegame corruption and they do nothing to fix it. I went through the forums and there's no fix for my problem. This is inexcusable. I can't even login to their forums! I log in, it works, but when I post, it says I can't, because I'm not logged in. Nothing works... And of course I never got an answer for my support ticket.

It's something that happens everytime? I know it's an annoying proposition but why not just uninstall the game, delete your saves, and start over?

Rhino wrote on Feb 11, 2013, 11:38:

ItBurn wrote on Feb 11, 2013, 09:26:
I don't like Telltale. I paid for all the walking dead episodes, but I can't play them. It won't continue past episode 2 with my choices! Tons of people have savegame corruption and they do nothing to fix it. I went through the forums and there's no fix for my problem. This is inexcusable. I can't even login to their forums! I log in, it works, but when I post, it says I can't, because I'm not logged in. Nothing works... And of course I never got an answer for my support ticket.

Could it be the same issue as detailed here? Hopefully so, so that you can continue on with your choices.

http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30650&page=5

Acleacius wrote on Feb 11, 2013, 07:11:

Dev wrote on Feb 10, 2013, 17:24:

xXBatmanXx wrote on Feb 10, 2013, 17:09:
Played Skyrim last night for about 5 hours - only level 26 and it says I have only done 8 core missions in 60 hours. haahahahah I have a lot of fun clearing out stuff, selling, crafting, talking with peeps, exploring....hell, I dont' even need a main storyline! hahahah

Generally thats the way I play games like that too. Thats how ppl like us get hundreds of hours in those kinda games

Same here, to bad Bethesda doesn't take a lesson from Dead Island, Coop!

Btw thanks for the tip about Unread Books, it will make a great addition. I also use a skill book mod which offers a choice whether to read now or save it.