wtf_man wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 11:57:

Yakubs wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 11:36:
Starting to get desperate? They've always been desperate. They did a South Park cash-in game, for crying out loud. Their only attempts at original IP have always failed.

While Alpha Protocol may have failed commercially... I enjoyed it (except for the dialog timer). A bit more polish and I think it would have done better than it did.

CJ_Parker wrote on Feb 8, 2013, 11:07:
So the same Obsidian that's been whining about how the evil LucasArts corporate Sith Lords forced them to wrap up KotOR 2 unfinished are now begging to them on their knees for a bit of work? Patheticness has just reached a new all-time low...

Kevin Lowe wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 10:36:

El Pit wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 10:03:
I can wait for the complete game (nowadays called "Ultimate Edition" or "Game of the Year Edition") to drop down to $20. That will be my message to nickel and dime EA.

The game is published by Sega. What does EA have to do with this?

Beamer wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 13:35:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 09:43:

Verno wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 08:52:

Yes they are, though hard work is what makes those opportunities work.

Everyone doesn't have the same opportunities available to them though, you are missing the point. That would be fine because society will never be truly equal but when it's due to racism, classism and other factors is what people are talking about.

No kidding, that's why you need to work hard to attain said opportunities. Life isn't easy, and it never will be easy, it's going to be harder for some to get ahead, I'm not missing the point. I just don't have a bleeding heart for everyone who doesn't have everything they want.

So hard work is all it takes? Isn't that part of the mantra that doomed the GOP this year?

I can't fathom believing something so naive.

Do you think if we lined up the BluesNews posters by income we'd also line them up by how hard they work?
Do you think the coal miners in Kentucky making $20,000 per year are lazy?

If we look at the graduation rate for black people and see it's significantly below that of any other rate, is the only conclusion we can reach that they're a bunch of lazy jerks that don't work hard?
Isn't that racist?


You claim to have seen it all, but you're so naive it's impossible to believe. Go into an inner city school. See the parents, who are barely there. See the kids, who weren't read to as children. See them not do homework because no one other than the teacher gives a shit if they do or not (and, honestly, after a few years the teacher is probably so defeated that he doesn't care, either.)
When is this kid supposed to realize and start working hard? Are we really comfortable blaming an 8 year old for that?

And are you so insecure in your achievements that you are unwilling to believe you got some of them not due to hard work but due to the conditions you were born into?

Verno wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 08:52:

Yes they are, though hard work is what makes those opportunities work.

Everyone doesn't have the same opportunities available to them though, you are missing the point. That would be fine because society will never be truly equal but when it's due to racism, classism and other factors is what people are talking about.

Verno wrote on Feb 6, 2013, 15:57:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 6, 2013, 15:38:

I get it, its a hell of a lot harder for a black kid from a shitty neighborhood to not get caught up in all the negative influences around them, but acting like they're owed something, isn't something I agree with. Life's fucking hard, wear a god damn helmet.

They are owed the same opportunities as you are which many do not get. I don't know how you reconcile your philosophy with society as a whole, the bootstraps individuality thing is fine but only goes so far, there are sometimes inherent advantages and disadvantages at work outside of a persons control.

Acting like everyone can live the American Dream if they just work harder isn't realistic, quite often hard work and education are divorced from success. People coast on nepotism, personality, background, looks and many other factors. Not all of those things are equal for all races either.

So while I don't think anyone is really "owed" anything extra, I do think that the playing field isn't always level and might never be. Sometimes I think we've come so far in my lifetime then I see a level of bigotry that is disturbing (even on the comments here as an example) and makes me worry.

Beamer wrote on Feb 6, 2013, 15:31:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 6, 2013, 12:49:

Beamer wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 17:32:
It's easy for the white guy to say "it's 2013, we need to not worry about skin color!"

Because, again, he was far less likely to be born into poverty. His friends were less likely to be born into poverty. He was more likely to finish high school and get a degree.

And who is bringing up reparations? Again: strawman.

And African American's aren't capable of finishing high school? C'mon dude, skin color doesn't determine effort.

Are you ready?
This is what it looks like when I bash my head repeatedly on a keyboard because I realize I'm dealing with someone that has zero clue.

Ready?
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Interestingly, seems like some of the bangs hit too many keys at once for any to register.

I don't even know how to spell it out in a way you can understand. Why do you think black kids are far, far, far less likely to graduate high school. I'd love to hear you explain this one. Either it's something in society, or it's something genetic.
Of course you'll say it isn't genetic, but then why shouldn't society try to fix what's a clear failing on its part?


I absolutely love that you're saying 12 year old kids need to be personally responsible. Asshat. Seriously, you're an asshat for saying that. It's stupid libertarian utopian bullshit. Have you ever even been to an impoverished inner city school? I will buy you a plane ticket and hotel room in Paterson, NJ if you're willing to spend a week teaching an after school computer program to the kids. I guarantee it totally changes your point of view. I used to be an asshat veering towards idiotic libertarian viewpoints, too. Fuck, man, I worked my ass off for what I have.

Then I grew up and realized how goddamn privileged I was to even have the doors open that I fought my way through.

Verno wrote on Feb 6, 2013, 13:29:
Uh, you might want to revisit that comment before other people see it, that is some borderline shit man.

Beamer wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 17:32:
It's easy for the white guy to say "it's 2013, we need to not worry about skin color!"

Because, again, he was far less likely to be born into poverty. His friends were less likely to be born into poverty. He was more likely to finish high school and get a degree.

And who is bringing up reparations? Again: strawman.

Quboid wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 15:25:
I'm pretty sure I give an example of how there's more keeping black people disadvantaged than some black people using their victim status as an excuse to be an asshat.

Speaking of asshats, at this point the strawman that you're arguing against is getting embarrassed, and he's not even real. Average doesn't mean all.

Beamer wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 15:18:
R-e-a-d-i-n-g c-o-m-p-r-e-h-e-n-s-i-o-n

Total failure.

I said average, not all. Jesus, motherfucking jesus, holy shit are you stupid to think "average" means all. Did you even have a functional brain?

And here are the census results backing that up you goddamn moron too stupid to understand what people say and too dumb to ever use Google.

I know I'm going overboard here, but holy shit, to say "average" means "all" is, like, the absolute dumbest thing I've seen here in what, 16 years of reading and a decade of posting?

Quboid wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 14:55:
Perhaps he turned to crime because the caveman who manages the local Burger King hired the white kid instead of him.

Maybe he couldn't get a job because he has a criminal record from when a cop found weed on him - during a search that wouldn't have happened if he was white (as per the 28:1 search ratio I linked to before). Even when the 'victim' is guilty and deserves their punishment, discrimination contributes to racial disadvantage because the white guy with weed benefits by getting away with it, and then gets a job that the black guy couldn't get - even if the employer is totally non-discriminatory.

The thing is, individually, I agree with you. I've no sympathy for individuals who deservedly go to jail. However, when the same things happen to the same sections of society, something's gone wrong. Over generations and millions of people, this will add up and create social divides.

Beamer said nothing about no white kids being below the poverty line, you're arguing against a strawman. How are we as a world and as people in general ever going to move on if we bury our heads in the sand?

BTW, everyone judges people by looking at them, to some extent. Everyone.

Beamer wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 13:19:
Jesus, RollinThundr doesn't live in the world.


"African Americans have the same experiences as anyone else!" Except they're disproportionately in prison and in poverty (of course, with a connection between those), and disproportionately absent in higher education and in corporate leadership.

So life for an average black kid and average white kid are very different, because an average black kid is in or near poverty and an average white kid is in the middle class. Sure, we can compare a middle class black kid to a middle class white kid, but so far fewer black kids are in middle class so what's the point. Beyond that, even if a black kid is in the middle class when he goes out people see him and generally assume he, like the average black kid, isn't.

Quinn wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 09:45:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 08:13:

Quinn wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 20:37:

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 18:40:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:39:

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:26:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:08:
Just out of curiosity what term would that be that's racist? Why is it only racist if a white person uses said term when black people use it towards each other all the time?

Ug.

Seriously, you're asking questions a child would ask.

Do you have any inside jokes with your family? Maybe your brother eats a lot, and you all make fun of him being fat. It's light-hearted, and you all appreciate it. But if someone outside your family were to call him fat, you'd probably take offense.

You're also ignoring context. The word is derogatory. No one will deny that. And, historically, it was used derogatorily by one race against another.

While it's probably not good for people of the one race to use it, it's absolutely not good for people of the other.


That you're even asking this shows that you've put no thought into understanding why the word is considered offensive and hurtful to some. But that's no surprise - you're one of those people that cares more about your ability to do something and takes great offense to someone saying you shouldn't and puts no care into thinking about why people ask you don't do something. You care only about rights and not about using those rights responsibly.

No I get it, I just hate the double standard is all. That and I love getting your panties in a bunch.

Life is full of double standards, idiot. Everywhere.

The real problem is that whole "family" bullshit. It makes sense in your analogy, Beamer, but for black people to still consider eachother family like that is so 1865. It's exactly that attitude that makes me feel different than many of them: not the colour, but that goddamned "you're my bro and ha ha ha lets laugh at the dancing patterns of white folk.".

Just grow the fuck up and let me be your bro, cause you'd be a mate of mine whatever colour you are.

I dunno to me it doesn't make sense at all. If you're going to get offended at one person calling you a particular word with no ill will meant just due to skin color, you should also get offended when someone of the same skin color uses it. Because to me, that's just racism towards whites. But then again that seems to be allowed and even encouraged. Slavery ended a long time ago, however you wouldn't know it the way some people go about it.

I partially agree with you except for the first part. The word "nigger", for example, was a very downgrading term toward a race the white people considered worthy of nothing but being slaves. I understand black people can call eachother that but get pissed off when white people say it. Imagine the same history, but with the blacks oppressing the whites. They called us "schnitzels". Understandably, we understand the pun of the joke if we white folks call eachother schnitzels... but imagine a black person calling you a schnitzel! You understand he's not meaning it but seriously... show some goddamn respect!? Right!?

Beamer wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 08:39:

You always find more affinity to those you know have been through the same experiences you have.

And, although many white people on this board repeatedly try to deny it, growing up black in this country puts you through very different experiences than growing up white.

Oh no you di'nt! I'm sorry man but it's that thing right there that's the root of the problem these days. YOU should stop seeing them as victims and so should THEY. Only the cavemen of today don't treat black people as equels. Cavemen can be ignored, for they are ignorent, extremely dumb and very few.

Quinn wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 20:37:

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 18:40:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:39:

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:26:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:08:
Just out of curiosity what term would that be that's racist? Why is it only racist if a white person uses said term when black people use it towards each other all the time?

Ug.

Seriously, you're asking questions a child would ask.

Do you have any inside jokes with your family? Maybe your brother eats a lot, and you all make fun of him being fat. It's light-hearted, and you all appreciate it. But if someone outside your family were to call him fat, you'd probably take offense.

You're also ignoring context. The word is derogatory. No one will deny that. And, historically, it was used derogatorily by one race against another.

While it's probably not good for people of the one race to use it, it's absolutely not good for people of the other.


That you're even asking this shows that you've put no thought into understanding why the word is considered offensive and hurtful to some. But that's no surprise - you're one of those people that cares more about your ability to do something and takes great offense to someone saying you shouldn't and puts no care into thinking about why people ask you don't do something. You care only about rights and not about using those rights responsibly.

No I get it, I just hate the double standard is all. That and I love getting your panties in a bunch.

Life is full of double standards, idiot. Everywhere.

The real problem is that whole "family" bullshit. It makes sense in your analogy, Beamer, but for black people to still consider eachother family like that is so 1865. It's exactly that attitude that makes me feel different than many of them: not the colour, but that goddamned "you're my bro and ha ha ha lets laugh at the dancing patterns of white folk.".

Just grow the fuck up and let me be your bro, cause you'd be a mate of mine whatever colour you are.

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:26:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:08:
Just out of curiosity what term would that be that's racist? Why is it only racist if a white person uses said term when black people use it towards each other all the time?

Ug.

Seriously, you're asking questions a child would ask.

Do you have any inside jokes with your family? Maybe your brother eats a lot, and you all make fun of him being fat. It's light-hearted, and you all appreciate it. But if someone outside your family were to call him fat, you'd probably take offense.

You're also ignoring context. The word is derogatory. No one will deny that. And, historically, it was used derogatorily by one race against another.

While it's probably not good for people of the one race to use it, it's absolutely not good for people of the other.


That you're even asking this shows that you've put no thought into understanding why the word is considered offensive and hurtful to some. But that's no surprise - you're one of those people that cares more about your ability to do something and takes great offense to someone saying you shouldn't and puts no care into thinking about why people ask you don't do something. You care only about rights and not about using those rights responsibly.

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 13:40:

deqer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 13:35:

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 13:08:

deqer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 12:13:
Being a Whigger is not being a racist.

Given that the Whig party was mostly pro-slavery, I'd say yes, being a Whigger would almost definitely make you racist.

Assuming you meant "wigger," consider what it's a portmanteau of before claiming it not totally offensive. Plenty of people that use it wouldn't use its root word, which is strange.

What? no.

Whigger is another way of spelling Wigger, or vice versa.
They both have the same meaning.
Being a Wigger does not make you a racist. Wigger is not making fun of the culture; they are embracing it as their own.

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Sigh.

This just proves we have a fresh new generation of stupid young kids playing games these days, and now they have the internet are their disposal to making ridiculous childish claims about racism, trying to appear smart like they know what racism is and they've spotted a racist and start yapping, blah blah...

/thread

It's actually not another way of spelling it, and no one is saying being one makes you racist, but using that term may. Because, you know, it's short for a word that absolutely makes you racist. So why would a short form of a racist phrase not be racist?

And yes, you posting does prove that we have stupid people into video games, and that they make stupid claims online, and that, well, they're stupid.

Also, that' you're stupid. I mean, c'mon, how many times can you say "/thread" in one thread without being stupid? Go for 3!

jdreyer wrote on Feb 3, 2013, 21:18:

Axis wrote on Feb 3, 2013, 13:56:
1. Windows 8 is garbage.
2. Classic shell and familiarity makes windows 8 suck less, but still sucks.
3. Internet explorer is garbage.
4. Internet explorer is better than it used to be, but still sucks.
5. The only reason "IE is "growing", is because people buy windows computers and laptops, which have IE on, and people are still lazy.

Shorter Axis: screw Windows, go play Path of Exile.