Beamer wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 17:32:
It's easy for the white guy to say "it's 2013, we need to not worry about skin color!"

Because, again, he was far less likely to be born into poverty. His friends were less likely to be born into poverty. He was more likely to finish high school and get a degree.

And who is bringing up reparations? Again: strawman.

Quboid wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 15:25:
I'm pretty sure I give an example of how there's more keeping black people disadvantaged than some black people using their victim status as an excuse to be an asshat.

Speaking of asshats, at this point the strawman that you're arguing against is getting embarrassed, and he's not even real. Average doesn't mean all.

Beamer wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 15:18:
R-e-a-d-i-n-g c-o-m-p-r-e-h-e-n-s-i-o-n

Total failure.

I said average, not all. Jesus, motherfucking jesus, holy shit are you stupid to think "average" means all. Did you even have a functional brain?

And here are the census results backing that up you goddamn moron too stupid to understand what people say and too dumb to ever use Google.

I know I'm going overboard here, but holy shit, to say "average" means "all" is, like, the absolute dumbest thing I've seen here in what, 16 years of reading and a decade of posting?

Quboid wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 14:55:
Perhaps he turned to crime because the caveman who manages the local Burger King hired the white kid instead of him.

Maybe he couldn't get a job because he has a criminal record from when a cop found weed on him - during a search that wouldn't have happened if he was white (as per the 28:1 search ratio I linked to before). Even when the 'victim' is guilty and deserves their punishment, discrimination contributes to racial disadvantage because the white guy with weed benefits by getting away with it, and then gets a job that the black guy couldn't get - even if the employer is totally non-discriminatory.

The thing is, individually, I agree with you. I've no sympathy for individuals who deservedly go to jail. However, when the same things happen to the same sections of society, something's gone wrong. Over generations and millions of people, this will add up and create social divides.

Beamer said nothing about no white kids being below the poverty line, you're arguing against a strawman. How are we as a world and as people in general ever going to move on if we bury our heads in the sand?

BTW, everyone judges people by looking at them, to some extent. Everyone.

Beamer wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 13:19:
Jesus, RollinThundr doesn't live in the world.


"African Americans have the same experiences as anyone else!" Except they're disproportionately in prison and in poverty (of course, with a connection between those), and disproportionately absent in higher education and in corporate leadership.

So life for an average black kid and average white kid are very different, because an average black kid is in or near poverty and an average white kid is in the middle class. Sure, we can compare a middle class black kid to a middle class white kid, but so far fewer black kids are in middle class so what's the point. Beyond that, even if a black kid is in the middle class when he goes out people see him and generally assume he, like the average black kid, isn't.

Quinn wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 09:45:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 08:13:

Quinn wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 20:37:

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 18:40:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:39:

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:26:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:08:
Just out of curiosity what term would that be that's racist? Why is it only racist if a white person uses said term when black people use it towards each other all the time?

Ug.

Seriously, you're asking questions a child would ask.

Do you have any inside jokes with your family? Maybe your brother eats a lot, and you all make fun of him being fat. It's light-hearted, and you all appreciate it. But if someone outside your family were to call him fat, you'd probably take offense.

You're also ignoring context. The word is derogatory. No one will deny that. And, historically, it was used derogatorily by one race against another.

While it's probably not good for people of the one race to use it, it's absolutely not good for people of the other.


That you're even asking this shows that you've put no thought into understanding why the word is considered offensive and hurtful to some. But that's no surprise - you're one of those people that cares more about your ability to do something and takes great offense to someone saying you shouldn't and puts no care into thinking about why people ask you don't do something. You care only about rights and not about using those rights responsibly.

No I get it, I just hate the double standard is all. That and I love getting your panties in a bunch.

Life is full of double standards, idiot. Everywhere.

The real problem is that whole "family" bullshit. It makes sense in your analogy, Beamer, but for black people to still consider eachother family like that is so 1865. It's exactly that attitude that makes me feel different than many of them: not the colour, but that goddamned "you're my bro and ha ha ha lets laugh at the dancing patterns of white folk.".

Just grow the fuck up and let me be your bro, cause you'd be a mate of mine whatever colour you are.

I dunno to me it doesn't make sense at all. If you're going to get offended at one person calling you a particular word with no ill will meant just due to skin color, you should also get offended when someone of the same skin color uses it. Because to me, that's just racism towards whites. But then again that seems to be allowed and even encouraged. Slavery ended a long time ago, however you wouldn't know it the way some people go about it.

I partially agree with you except for the first part. The word "nigger", for example, was a very downgrading term toward a race the white people considered worthy of nothing but being slaves. I understand black people can call eachother that but get pissed off when white people say it. Imagine the same history, but with the blacks oppressing the whites. They called us "schnitzels". Understandably, we understand the pun of the joke if we white folks call eachother schnitzels... but imagine a black person calling you a schnitzel! You understand he's not meaning it but seriously... show some goddamn respect!? Right!?

Beamer wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 08:39:

You always find more affinity to those you know have been through the same experiences you have.

And, although many white people on this board repeatedly try to deny it, growing up black in this country puts you through very different experiences than growing up white.

Oh no you di'nt! I'm sorry man but it's that thing right there that's the root of the problem these days. YOU should stop seeing them as victims and so should THEY. Only the cavemen of today don't treat black people as equels. Cavemen can be ignored, for they are ignorent, extremely dumb and very few.

Quinn wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 20:37:

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 18:40:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:39:

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:26:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:08:
Just out of curiosity what term would that be that's racist? Why is it only racist if a white person uses said term when black people use it towards each other all the time?

Ug.

Seriously, you're asking questions a child would ask.

Do you have any inside jokes with your family? Maybe your brother eats a lot, and you all make fun of him being fat. It's light-hearted, and you all appreciate it. But if someone outside your family were to call him fat, you'd probably take offense.

You're also ignoring context. The word is derogatory. No one will deny that. And, historically, it was used derogatorily by one race against another.

While it's probably not good for people of the one race to use it, it's absolutely not good for people of the other.


That you're even asking this shows that you've put no thought into understanding why the word is considered offensive and hurtful to some. But that's no surprise - you're one of those people that cares more about your ability to do something and takes great offense to someone saying you shouldn't and puts no care into thinking about why people ask you don't do something. You care only about rights and not about using those rights responsibly.

No I get it, I just hate the double standard is all. That and I love getting your panties in a bunch.

Life is full of double standards, idiot. Everywhere.

The real problem is that whole "family" bullshit. It makes sense in your analogy, Beamer, but for black people to still consider eachother family like that is so 1865. It's exactly that attitude that makes me feel different than many of them: not the colour, but that goddamned "you're my bro and ha ha ha lets laugh at the dancing patterns of white folk.".

Just grow the fuck up and let me be your bro, cause you'd be a mate of mine whatever colour you are.

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:26:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 14:08:
Just out of curiosity what term would that be that's racist? Why is it only racist if a white person uses said term when black people use it towards each other all the time?

Ug.

Seriously, you're asking questions a child would ask.

Do you have any inside jokes with your family? Maybe your brother eats a lot, and you all make fun of him being fat. It's light-hearted, and you all appreciate it. But if someone outside your family were to call him fat, you'd probably take offense.

You're also ignoring context. The word is derogatory. No one will deny that. And, historically, it was used derogatorily by one race against another.

While it's probably not good for people of the one race to use it, it's absolutely not good for people of the other.


That you're even asking this shows that you've put no thought into understanding why the word is considered offensive and hurtful to some. But that's no surprise - you're one of those people that cares more about your ability to do something and takes great offense to someone saying you shouldn't and puts no care into thinking about why people ask you don't do something. You care only about rights and not about using those rights responsibly.

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 13:40:

deqer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 13:35:

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 13:08:

deqer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 12:13:
Being a Whigger is not being a racist.

Given that the Whig party was mostly pro-slavery, I'd say yes, being a Whigger would almost definitely make you racist.

Assuming you meant "wigger," consider what it's a portmanteau of before claiming it not totally offensive. Plenty of people that use it wouldn't use its root word, which is strange.

What? no.

Whigger is another way of spelling Wigger, or vice versa.
They both have the same meaning.
Being a Wigger does not make you a racist. Wigger is not making fun of the culture; they are embracing it as their own.

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Sigh.

This just proves we have a fresh new generation of stupid young kids playing games these days, and now they have the internet are their disposal to making ridiculous childish claims about racism, trying to appear smart like they know what racism is and they've spotted a racist and start yapping, blah blah...

/thread

It's actually not another way of spelling it, and no one is saying being one makes you racist, but using that term may. Because, you know, it's short for a word that absolutely makes you racist. So why would a short form of a racist phrase not be racist?

And yes, you posting does prove that we have stupid people into video games, and that they make stupid claims online, and that, well, they're stupid.

Also, that' you're stupid. I mean, c'mon, how many times can you say "/thread" in one thread without being stupid? Go for 3!

jdreyer wrote on Feb 3, 2013, 21:18:

Axis wrote on Feb 3, 2013, 13:56:
1. Windows 8 is garbage.
2. Classic shell and familiarity makes windows 8 suck less, but still sucks.
3. Internet explorer is garbage.
4. Internet explorer is better than it used to be, but still sucks.
5. The only reason "IE is "growing", is because people buy windows computers and laptops, which have IE on, and people are still lazy.

Shorter Axis: screw Windows, go play Path of Exile.

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 11:59:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 11:51:

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 11:38:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 11:29:

Bhruic wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 11:20:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 11:15:
Way to take a comment out of context. I think it's pretty common knowledge the whole PC movement is more a product of the left. That's just the truth of it.

I agree, the PC movement tends to have a liberal bias.

Now explain wtf that has to do with changing:
People will be offended at anything and everything.
to
Liberals will be offended at anything and everything.

Unless you believe the only thing that people get offended at is political correctness (which would make you an idiot), your statement is, well, idiotic. You didn't "fix" anything, you attempted to suggest that people who aren't liberals don't get offended by things. Which anyone with a functioning brain cell is well aware is completely incorrect.

So if you are trying to honestly suggest you aren't trolling, we aren't left with many other explanations for why you would "fix" the sentence so stupidly.

I believe its far more common for liberals to get upset or see things that aren't there. Like in the coke commercial during the superbowl that is somehow racist. It wasn't deliberate trolling just to troll.

I believe you believe anything that may make liberals seem dumb.

You're right liberals care more about not being assholes.

But c'mon, Fox News basically coined the "War Against" terminology. What kind of glue are you sniffing to think conservatives aren't upset at things that aren't there? The War Against Christmas? The War Against Marriage? All things that aren't there, but O'Reilly spends half his time discussing them.

O'Reilly is basically the king of being offended by things that aren't there.

O'Reilly's a douche, just like Matthews, or Maddows etc.
I never said it doesn't happen from those on the right, you just hear it more often from the MSN end of the spectrum with all the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons the left has.

Hmm, now what do those two have in common?
I know, they're baptists! You hate religion. RollinThundr's war against religion!

Beamer wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 11:38:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 11:29:

Bhruic wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 11:20:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 11:15:
Way to take a comment out of context. I think it's pretty common knowledge the whole PC movement is more a product of the left. That's just the truth of it.

I agree, the PC movement tends to have a liberal bias.

Now explain wtf that has to do with changing:
People will be offended at anything and everything.
to
Liberals will be offended at anything and everything.

Unless you believe the only thing that people get offended at is political correctness (which would make you an idiot), your statement is, well, idiotic. You didn't "fix" anything, you attempted to suggest that people who aren't liberals don't get offended by things. Which anyone with a functioning brain cell is well aware is completely incorrect.

So if you are trying to honestly suggest you aren't trolling, we aren't left with many other explanations for why you would "fix" the sentence so stupidly.

I believe its far more common for liberals to get upset or see things that aren't there. Like in the coke commercial during the superbowl that is somehow racist. It wasn't deliberate trolling just to troll.

I believe you believe anything that may make liberals seem dumb.

You're right liberals care more about not being assholes.

But c'mon, Fox News basically coined the "War Against" terminology. What kind of glue are you sniffing to think conservatives aren't upset at things that aren't there? The War Against Christmas? The War Against Marriage? All things that aren't there, but O'Reilly spends half his time discussing them.

O'Reilly is basically the king of being offended by things that aren't there.

Bhruic wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 11:20:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 11:15:
Way to take a comment out of context. I think it's pretty common knowledge the whole PC movement is more a product of the left. That's just the truth of it.

I agree, the PC movement tends to have a liberal bias.

Now explain wtf that has to do with changing:
People will be offended at anything and everything.
to
Liberals will be offended at anything and everything.

Unless you believe the only thing that people get offended at is political correctness (which would make you an idiot), your statement is, well, idiotic. You didn't "fix" anything, you attempted to suggest that people who aren't liberals don't get offended by things. Which anyone with a functioning brain cell is well aware is completely incorrect.

So if you are trying to honestly suggest you aren't trolling, we aren't left with many other explanations for why you would "fix" the sentence so stupidly.

NegaDeath wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 10:55:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 10:53:
Except it does because you never see republicans waving around the PC card

then

Oh they do, they also have a habit of saying ridiculous things as well

One of these things is not like the other.

Quboid wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 10:08:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 09:56:
Except it does because you never see republicans waving around the PC card. And people do go overboard over racism, ALL the fucking time.
Every little thing said tends to be misconstrued as racism these days and it's complete bullshit.

Again, that's because social conservatives don't tend to even try not to be assholes. They do the same shit, just over slightly different things.

Unless you think conservatives don't get offended over insignificant/made-up things?

Quboid wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 09:43:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 09:31:

nin wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 09:15:

Quboid wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 09:06:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 08:25:

n3farious wrote on Feb 3, 2013, 23:55:
Liberals will be offended at anything and everything.

Tiny Tina is the first character that I have had tears flowing down my face in laughter at in a video game. She is irreverent, crass and politically incorrect.. in the body of a sweet little girl. It works. Get over it.

Fixed that for you. Because really, conservatives don't tend to buy into PC. That's pretty much a liberal soapbox.

Oh yeah, it's just us liberals who get offended at anything and everything. That's why I'm so deeply upset about this, and why you can't ever find anyone on Fox News being offended at anything.

Trollindunder to the rescue!

It's not really trolling if it's true. Conservatives generally don't buy into the PC bandwagon. And conservatives also don't go looking for racism in things like superbowl tv commercials of all things.

Lets be honest here, offending a liberal and getting their panties into a twist isn't exactly difficult.

As I said before, political correctness is supposed to be about not being an asshole and you've got a point - conservatives tend not to buy into that.

It's got nothing to do with liberal or conservative. The only slight difference is what some people get offended over and if I'm going to be labelled in one camp or the other, I'd rather be associated with the sort of idiot who goes overboard over racism (an actually bad thing) than a televised nipple.

nin wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 09:15:

Quboid wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 09:06:

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 4, 2013, 08:25:

n3farious wrote on Feb 3, 2013, 23:55:
Liberals will be offended at anything and everything.

Tiny Tina is the first character that I have had tears flowing down my face in laughter at in a video game. She is irreverent, crass and politically incorrect.. in the body of a sweet little girl. It works. Get over it.

Fixed that for you. Because really, conservatives don't tend to buy into PC. That's pretty much a liberal soapbox.

Oh yeah, it's just us liberals who get offended at anything and everything. That's why I'm so deeply upset about this, and why you can't ever find anyone on Fox News being offended at anything.

Trollindunder to the rescue!

n3farious wrote on Feb 3, 2013, 23:55:
Liberals will be offended at anything and everything.

Tiny Tina is the first character that I have had tears flowing down my face in laughter at in a video game. She is irreverent, crass and politically incorrect.. in the body of a sweet little girl. It works. Get over it.

Bhruic wrote on Feb 3, 2013, 13:50:
You know what I think is racist? Suggesting there's such a thing as "cliched African-American slang" (not accusing Blue, just the people making the argument). If they'd stop assuming that's how black people talk, then maybe they stop being so damn offended when non-black people talk like that.

Fuck, if they are going to be this idiotic, why not go after Eminem? Damn white guy stealing black people's music! Here's a tip you idiotic "I see racist people!" motherfuckers... Just because a certain portion of one type of people do something doesn't make it racist if a non-"type" person does it too. Stop trying to be fucking offended by everything!

Dev wrote on Feb 2, 2013, 01:09:

netnerd85 wrote on Feb 2, 2013, 00:44:
Valve do need a good, hard, smack - about users legal rights. Their ninja-tiger grip on PC DRM has gone far enough.

There's this thing called GoG.