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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
211. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 18, 2013, 00:34 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 21:16:
Oh god, did he really mention "Obama phone?" And he claims to be knowledgeable?

Apparently your sarcasm meter is off.
 
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News Comments > Blizzard All-Stars Now Heroes of the Storm
7. Re: Blizzard All-Stars Now Heroes of the Storm Oct 18, 2013, 00:27 RollinThundr
 
This has a Starcraft Ghost vibe all over it.  
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205. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 17, 2013, 18:13 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 17:14:
Prez wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 16:52:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 11:49:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 09:17:
Verno wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 09:11:
Prez wrote on Oct 16, 2013, 17:56:

While I admire the strength of conviction of these men, they are purely idealists, not great leaders. A leader understands he has to give something in order to get something; how to compromise and when to stand your ground and when to pack it in and live to fight another day. Uncompromising men are often easier to admire than compromising men, but it is the compromising ones that get things done for the general welfare of the people. They also know how to separate personal religious values from all-encompassing legislation that affects the whole nation. They do not try to legislate their personal moral code upon everyone as they understand that not everyone believes as they do but everyone still has the same right of pursuit of their own happiness.

Well said Prez. Look at what this latest fiasco has cost us. Who came out looking worse? Most polls say the GOP. What was achieved? Nothing. A lot of money and time wasted, not to mention political capital and public opinion.

Yeah it's a shame the liberal media won't actually blame Obama for anything. That's why the public perception is "congress' fault"
Obama's just as much at fault, he's proven he's a terrible leader and unwilling to work with the other guys, in the same breath blaming the other guys for not compromising. They're both guilty.
The Dems had already compromised to a CR to fund at below Ryan plan levels. Boehner already agreed to that, but went back on it after he couldn't get the TP to go along. The TP decided that if they can't get what they want, they'll try to force a default and wreck the economy. It's hostage-taking 101. You don't deal with hostage-takers. You keep the pressure on them until you find a way to put a bullet in them without killing the hostages or until they give up. The saner parts of the GOP managed to get enough control to give up for now.

I wouldn't want Boehner's position for the world. He is in a constant lose-lose situation - cater to the considerable extreme right wing of the party and get blamed for gridlock. Try to compromise and get viciously attacked by your own party for being a sell-out. All the while the opposition criticizes you whatever you do.

No doubt. It's hard to be sympathetic though, since it was their own gerrymandering and rabble-rousing that created these ultraconservative districts that are biting them in the ass now. Funny that even the Koch brothers are trying to distance themselves from the Tea Party that they bankrolled. They counted on being able to control the crazy, forgetting that that's crazy in itself

The tea party wasn't started by the Koch Brothers, they simply latched onto it. At any rate George Soros is just as bad if not worse. Again BOTH parties do this shit, yet only the republicans get repeatedly blasted for it. It's hypocrisy at it's finest.
 
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201. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 17, 2013, 15:26 RollinThundr
 
Redmask wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 15:20:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 15:16:
Yeah as a parent it's your job, not the government's.

Hahah that was in a thread about in app phone purchases, good try to save face though!


Sure thing cupcake, doesn't make it any less true. Speaking of phones has Obama paid your mortgage and given you a shiny Obama phone yet? Allthumbsup
 
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199. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 17, 2013, 15:19 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 14:19:
When I said you were the last person I would listen to about this I was being serious. I'm done indulging you on subjects you clearly have no actual knowledge of yet somehow have formed strong opinions that aren't open to logic, reasoned debate or discussion. I am very patient but everyone has limits and mine is "/eyeroll you don't need science to realize a 3 year old is barely developed. 1+1 still equals 2."

How many studies do you need that say headstart is a failure before you believe it? The proof is there, it's not what you want to hear so you dismiss it outright.

The internet is full of them. but herp derp "Trollin you're wrong lalalala"
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
198. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 17, 2013, 15:16 RollinThundr
 
Redmask wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 14:37:
Armchair Super Parent wrote:
But if you taught your kids between right and wrong and that actions have consequences, they generally stay in line.

That's all we need to do!!

Yeah as a parent it's your job, not the government's. But you knew this already, just trolling for the sake of it while crying that someone who doesn't share your views is a troll.

All the social programs in the world and as much money as you want to throw at public education will always be trumped by a little common sense and personal responsibility.
 
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News Comments > Cyan Kickstarting Obduction
8. Re: Cyan Kickstarting Obduction Oct 17, 2013, 14:16 RollinThundr
 
ForgedReality wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 12:55:
Too bad it uses Unreal Engine.

Unreal is a great engine, Crytek on the other hand /shudder
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
192. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 17, 2013, 14:11 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 13:43:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 13:39:
No one said there was a single fix, I think a great start would be removing all the programs that have been proven to be failures and use that money else where doncha think? Headstart would be one imo.

After displaying such profound ignorance about early childhood development you are about the last person I would listen to on this subject. Headstart is conceptually a fine program with modest but appreciable results. I don't care where it originated from. Its results need careful study before we do anything with it, not a rush to judgment from people whose sole concern is partisan bullshit and reinforcing their own opinions.

Alot of things are sound conceptually, Head start doesn't work, when you even have senior Obama advisers admitting it's pretty much a low income job program what more do you want? There was an article in Time about it awhile back, I can't remember what issue, (United States of Texas I think was the cover image) where an anonymous White House adviser admitted as such. Along with studies of the program on the government's office of planning, reseach and evaluation website that show how much of a failure it is.

How bout instead of funding worthless shit we fund programs that actually do something? And again this is just one single tiny example of years of wasted tax payer dollars, but hey lets have government control healthcare too. And in 10 years when that's also a total failure if we're still around to begin with, perhaps some people will wake up that more government is never the fucking proper answer to anything.


 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
188. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 17, 2013, 13:39 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 12:35:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 12:20:
/eyeroll you don't need science to realize a 3 year old is barely developed. 1+1 still equals 2. The whole idea of headstart is to prepare these kids for school. It doesn't, instead it's actually essentially a jobs program for low income areas. Most 3 year olds aren't going to remember two to three years later, they're barely out of the damn crib at that age. Much like Global warming or what do they call themselves now? Climatologist or what the fuck ever?

You obviously have no kids. Childhood learning is critical to long term development - social-emotional, self-regulation, oral language, early literacy & mathematical development are all heavily impacted by it. Do some non-partisan reading on the subject, early childhood development and schooling has been linked repeatedly in definitive studies (Early Years Study I-III, Strong Start, OECD, etc) to better long term developmental outcomes like health, employment and well-being throughout the life course. 3 year olds retain quite a bit, if they didn't we wouldn't start teaching them critical life skills in that stage. If you want to make a cogent argument against Headstart then it should be about its sustainability and the social problems some studies have reported that they face. Either way though killing headstart doesn't solve any problems, not the deficit nor the education system, it's just more partisan bickering because of its source.

There is no simple fix for education. Many problems are as much social and cultural as they are with the curriculum and teachers. The huge wealth disparity in the country doesn't help either. We need better quality teachers but we won't get them without increasing the pay structures. The problem with that is that people inherently try to game the system, look at health care in the UK when they tried to create financial incentives for everything, it was a huge mess and people just gamed the system and results were arguably worse.

No one said there was a single fix, I think a great start would be removing all the programs that have been proven to be failures and use that money else where doncha think? Headstart would be one imo.

The problem with the UK is it's a fucking nanny state to begin with, same with Australia. We know people are selfish it's human nature, if you devise a system that easily allows them to live off the tit of everyone else and not work, do you think people will go find work? Let's be honest here.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
186. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 17, 2013, 12:20 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 11:59:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 11:48:
You'd think it would be common sense, 3 year olds are barely developed. c'mon how much scientific "proof" do you need to know that already? Headstart is a a total failure has been since day 1.
Common sense != science. Lots of things that people have considered to be common sense have turned out to be misconceptions. And, no, it's not a total failure. It has produced good results, but those results haven't been maintained in later grades. I'd like to actually find out why, rather than go with your hunch about 3 year olds. That's how we make real progress. We do science. That's why we're having this conversation on the freaking internet rather than via Pony Express.

RollinThundr wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 11:48:
I agree there's good teachers and bad, and I'm sure it varies from place to place, sadly the town I work for, I can count on one hand from a pool of 5 schools, from grammar to HS, the amount of actual good teachers that actually care about the kids learning something.

I'm with you on that, actually evaluating teachers on their abilities, however I have doubts any teacher's union would ever allow it. They have that protection, much like most city town workers have that same protection just a different union. That's why anytime you drive through a construction site there's 1 guy working and 5 standing around playing pocket pool.
If we can come up with good ways to objectively evaluate teachers, I'll be fighting to make the unions play ball or GTFO too.

I know some pretty dedicated teachers, and while people like to portray it as them babysitting for 9 months out of the year, these people work hard and for long hours, and then work more during the summer break too. That alone doesn't necessarily make them good teachers, and I'm sure there are plenty that just phone it in too. I don't like that the lousy ones get protected by the system, which is why we need to come up with a way of weeding them out without kicking out good ones as well. I think that should be one of our top priorities in education.

/eyeroll you don't need science to realize a 3 year old is barely developed. 1+1 still equals 2. The whole idea of headstart is to prepare these kids for school. It doesn't, instead it's actually essentially a jobs program for low income areas. Most 3 year olds aren't going to remember two to three years later, they're barely out of the damn crib at that age. Much like Global warming or what do they call themselves now? Climatologist or what the fuck ever?

Again, I agree irt teachers. No argument here on that topic.

 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
183. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 17, 2013, 11:53 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 11:49:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 09:17:
Verno wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 09:11:
Prez wrote on Oct 16, 2013, 17:56:

While I admire the strength of conviction of these men, they are purely idealists, not great leaders. A leader understands he has to give something in order to get something; how to compromise and when to stand your ground and when to pack it in and live to fight another day. Uncompromising men are often easier to admire than compromising men, but it is the compromising ones that get things done for the general welfare of the people. They also know how to separate personal religious values from all-encompassing legislation that affects the whole nation. They do not try to legislate their personal moral code upon everyone as they understand that not everyone believes as they do but everyone still has the same right of pursuit of their own happiness.

Well said Prez. Look at what this latest fiasco has cost us. Who came out looking worse? Most polls say the GOP. What was achieved? Nothing. A lot of money and time wasted, not to mention political capital and public opinion.

Yeah it's a shame the liberal media won't actually blame Obama for anything. That's why the public perception is "congress' fault"
Obama's just as much at fault, he's proven he's a terrible leader and unwilling to work with the other guys, in the same breath blaming the other guys for not compromising. They're both guilty.
The Dems had already compromised to a CR to fund at below Ryan plan levels. Boehner already agreed to that, but went back on it after he couldn't get the TP to go along. The TP decided that if they can't get what they want, they'll try to force a default and wreck the economy. It's hostage-taking 101. You don't deal with hostage-takers. You keep the pressure on them until you find a way to put a bullet in them without killing the hostages or until they give up. The saner parts of the GOP managed to get enough control to give up for now.

Yeah I'm sure the GOP just wants to have us default again for the sake of it.

There have been multiple proposals sent to Reid to have the senate vote on. There have been zero votes on any of them.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
181. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 17, 2013, 11:48 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 11:42:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 08:35:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 16, 2013, 23:38:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 16, 2013, 22:56:
well said. I actually agree with this. So for example, something like the failure that is the headstart program you would be alright finding a better solution then?

I'd be in favor of figuring out why the early gains from the program seem to be lost in later grades, and then doing something to fix that. Something is being done right to get those gains to begin with. Something is being done wrong to lose them. We've been falling behind other countries for decades now. We really can't afford to let our education system get worse.

Maybe it's because 3 year olds have this retention problem at that age. Which makes sense to begin with. they're 3 year olds ffs barely even cognitive or developed. Headstart is a total waste of money.

Well, your citations and scientific rigor have me convinced... Rolleyes

RollinThundr wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 08:35:
Our education system isn't going to get much better no matter how much money you throw at it. Take it from someone who deals with a school system and it's administration almost daily, it's all political, most of these teachers could care less about actually teaching these kids anything but they love their union benies.

For an example, the school system wanting to waste 100 grand on a new network just so they can have sole control over it rather than use the infrastructure the town build for them already, only because they don't want to play ball and adhere to any sort of security when it comes to said network.

And I'm sure it happens everywhere not just small Mass towns. The Department of Education is prolly another huge waste of money we could trim down majorly.
I'm in favor of finding ways to evaluate teachers and make them more accountable. Most of the ways I've heard from both sides are pretty lacking though. I've had some really lousy teachers before, and I've had some really good ones. Most were somewhere in between. We need ways to make these determinations that won't be shooting ourselves in the foot. I don't think we have those ways yet. Tests alone don't cut it.

You'd think it would be common sense, 3 year olds are barely developed. c'mon how much scientific "proof" do you need to know that already? Headstart is a a total failure has been since day 1.

I agree there's good teachers and bad, and I'm sure it varies from place to place, sadly the town I work for, I can count on one hand from a pool of 5 schools, from grammar to HS, the amount of actual good teachers that actually care about the kids learning something.

I'm with you on that, actually evaluating teachers on their abilities, however I have doubts any teacher's union would ever allow it. They have that protection, much like most city town workers have that same protection just a different union. That's why anytime you drive through a construction site there's 1 guy working and 5 standing around playing pocket pool.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
178. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 17, 2013, 11:36 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 10:46:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 10:15:
My bias aside, you know I'm not wrong. I think if anyone seriously studied Obama, his reactions to things, his smugness, they'd realize he's the text book definition for a narcissist.

I'm not getting into your weirdo conspiracy theories and obsessions. I can speak well enough for myself so don't try to interject your shit on me or my posts.

/shrug It's pretty damn obvious honestly. I've also in my life time have never seen a president trash the US Constitution essentially in both actions and words and get cheers for it.
 
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176. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 17, 2013, 10:15 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 09:21:
Yeah it's a shame the liberal media won't actually blame Obama for anything. That's why the public perception is "congress' fault"
Obama's just as much at fault, he's proven he's a terrible leader and unwilling to work with the other guys, in the same breath blaming the other guys for not compromising. They're both guilty.

Yeah no, don't agree with that assessment at all and you burned up your credit with me after that mountain of shitposting.

HorrorScope and Redmask SS stuff

Social security isn't unfunded as someone else said, we directly fund it and it's on track to be solvent until about 2033. The real issue is that it was devised when we weren't expecting people to live as long as they do now. The weak economy and other shortfalls mean that only about 60-75% of benefits could be paid out after 2033 unless something is done. At the same time the retirement age has lost any meaning and most corporations are eroding pensions through offshore labour and other pressures. Most people are going to be heavily dependent on their social security benefits. Finally the retirement age itself is disappearing rapidly, many people won't be able to afford to stop working in 20 years but will still need their SS benefits. No one really wants to address the crisis though because its far off and will cost people voters, any measures will likely be a tax increase or a benefit cut to something like the cost of living adjustment.

Personally I don't think deficit reduction should start with SS but there ARE adjustments that need to be made if we want to keep it going for future generations. We also need to start taking a hard look at how conventional retirements are starting to fall off and what we can do to address that as I believe corporations are getting away with murder in this country and its starting to have a drastic impact on the middle class.

My bias aside, you know I'm not wrong. I think if anyone seriously studied Obama, his reactions to things, his smugness, they'd realize he's the text book definition for a narcissist.
 
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174. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 17, 2013, 09:17 RollinThundr
 
Verno wrote on Oct 17, 2013, 09:11:
Prez wrote on Oct 16, 2013, 17:56:

While I admire the strength of conviction of these men, they are purely idealists, not great leaders. A leader understands he has to give something in order to get something; how to compromise and when to stand your ground and when to pack it in and live to fight another day. Uncompromising men are often easier to admire than compromising men, but it is the compromising ones that get things done for the general welfare of the people. They also know how to separate personal religious values from all-encompassing legislation that affects the whole nation. They do not try to legislate their personal moral code upon everyone as they understand that not everyone believes as they do but everyone still has the same right of pursuit of their own happiness.

Well said Prez. Look at what this latest fiasco has cost us. Who came out looking worse? Most polls say the GOP. What was achieved? Nothing. A lot of money and time wasted, not to mention political capital and public opinion.

Yeah it's a shame the liberal media won't actually blame Obama for anything. That's why the public perception is "congress' fault"
Obama's just as much at fault, he's proven he's a terrible leader and unwilling to work with the other guys, in the same breath blaming the other guys for not compromising. They're both guilty.
 
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173. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 17, 2013, 09:15 RollinThundr
 
HorrorScope wrote on Oct 16, 2013, 20:47:
Redmask wrote on Oct 16, 2013, 17:31:
I would start with a comprehensive overhaul of social security

What would you suggest a person that makes 100K per for a lifetime... what should they get back per month?

I mean we get something right? We've been paying into it for decades.

Or do we just get out money back and end it?

Or do we just lose it, it was taken out of every check for decades as "this is your retirement security blanket, you budget for it, they do send out a report to you yearly on what to expect. So is all that up in smoke on nothing I did at all except being forced to pay into it?

I will go postal if SS is removed and not every last $ isn't sent back to me. This isn't an entitlement, this has been a deal.

This, what do we pay into it for? This isn't a hand out Redmask, it's not an entitlement, you pay into social security, it's not welfare.
 
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171. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 17, 2013, 08:35 RollinThundr
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 16, 2013, 23:38:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 16, 2013, 22:56:
well said. I actually agree with this. So for example, something like the failure that is the headstart program you would be alright finding a better solution then?

I'd be in favor of figuring out why the early gains from the program seem to be lost in later grades, and then doing something to fix that. Something is being done right to get those gains to begin with. Something is being done wrong to lose them. We've been falling behind other countries for decades now. We really can't afford to let our education system get worse.

Maybe it's because 3 year olds have this retention problem at that age. Which makes sense to begin with. they're 3 year olds ffs barely even cognitive or developed. Headstart is a total waste of money.

Our education system isn't going to get much better no matter how much money you throw at it. Take it from someone who deals with a school system and it's administration almost daily, it's all political, most of these teachers could care less about actually teaching these kids anything but they love their union benies.

For an example, the school system wanting to waste 100 grand on a new network just so they can have sole control over it rather than use the infrastructure the town build for them already, only because they don't want to play ball and adhere to any sort of security when it comes to said network.

And I'm sure it happens everywhere not just small Mass towns. The Department of Education is prolly another huge waste of money we could trim down majorly.
 
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169. Re: Internet abandons the US Oct 16, 2013, 22:56 RollinThundr
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 16, 2013, 17:48:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 16, 2013, 17:35:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 16, 2013, 17:20:
Beamer wrote on Oct 16, 2013, 13:26:
Fun fact: the US isn't even in the top 30 for debt as a % of GDP.

It's standard for debt whiners - they complain about the absolute value without actually putting it relative to anything (numbers alone are meaningless unless they're anchored to something. % of GDP is a good one. $ per capita is a good one. Absolute value is not a good one.) And none of them can ever explain why the debt will hurt us. In general, they complain about things like China owning us (without understanding how much China owns and why it isn't really a pressing concern.)

No one will say our debt is good. No one will say we shouldn't make broad moves to stem it from growing. But it isn't our most pressing concern. That debt has next to no impact on our domestic economy. That debt doesn't contribute to our country being a crappier place to live. Let's focus on things that do.

Except you offer zero ideas on how to keep the debt from growing, I've yet to see one person that I would consider a liberal by their opinions posted, ever offer once instance of how to trim our debt aside from gutting the military. Just once I'd love to see what things you asshats would actually trim.
it seems to me that democrats want big government, they obviously love being told what to do as well by said big government. Because they never make the argument that a slimmer more efficient government would save money in the long run. Instead they want the opposite. Blows my mind.

Lol @ the hyperbole "gutting the military". You get annoyed at others for ad hom and such, but apparently you aren't any better at discussing things than they are. Do you have to straw-man any position you don't like?

There's plenty that can be done to trim down defense spending without coming anywhere near "gutting" it. You don't seem to be interested in that conversation though.

Anyway, I need to go read up on this apparent resolution and see what happened.

Regardless, cuts aren't the only solution.
There are two ways to get spending under control:
1) Spend Less
2) Earn More

#1 can be a big issue. When you spend less you run the risk of earning less. The comparisons of a world economy to a household are poor, but to put it in those terms, you need to make sure you aren't choosing to cut back on food, which makes you lazier, which makes you work less hours or perform worse at work.

#2 is usually perceived, by idiots, as "raise taxes." Because idiots think equations only have one variable. There are other options, like finding ways to raise the average income. If taxes remain the same (and they shouldn't, as they're near historical lows and our economy has been strongest when they've been near highs), but the amount we're taxing increases, then earnings increase.

So rather than being complete and total morons that think you can only do one thing, we should be:
1) Evaluating the impact of every single thing we spend on
2) Immediately divert funds from things which have no true positive economic impact
3) Increase funds to things that have the most positive economic impact


We can't be dumbasses about it, but if you listen to some in this thread, we would be. Some in this thread are the types that, if they were in charge of a city, would immediately shut down the museums because they don't bring in cash, ignoring that the museums bring in tourists and that shutting the museums would dwindle the supply of tourists that are ultimately bringing significantly more to the city than the museums cost to operate.

well said. I actually agree with this. So for example, something like the failure that is the headstart program you would be alright finding a better solution then?
 
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17. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Oct 16, 2013, 21:19 RollinThundr
 
InBlack wrote on Oct 16, 2013, 07:00:
The 99% are being pushed into bondage. Slavery. Whatever you like to call it. I think its time for those french Guilllotines to get pulled out of storage and heads need to roll. You can blame Obama if you want but he is just a puppet. Just like Bush was. The worst part is that the people who are really pulling the strings (not only in the US mind you) are not directly involved in politics, and anyone who wants to make a career in politics needs to be a 'yes man' for those shady interests. So the whole system is fucked from top to bottom.

No I don't solely blame him, as much as I'm obviously not a fan of liberals in general, I'm not stupid enough to think the republicans aren't just as guilty. Bush did sign the patriot act in the first place.

Though what I'm more worried about neither one had anything to do with to begin with. What I'd like to know is just how long these secret courts have gone on, and also how long the NSA has obviously been allowed to run completely unchecked.

 
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