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3. Re: etc., etc. Mar 12, 2015, 21:45 sdgundamx
Cutter wrote on Mar 12, 2015, 20:28:
Loved AC. Would love a new one.

And ageism is rampant across all industries and has been for a long time. There's nothing new to this. It's the reason why most people from 40 onward really don't have a whole lot of choice but to go into business for themselves.

True, but the point is that the games industry is particularly bad in this area, at least for game designers or artists. I wouldn't be surprised if this were true. Most people (like me) bail on the industry after around 5 years because they realize things like the instability of the job is not conducive to raising a family and the unreasonable hours working hours and/or conditions are not properly compensated at most companies.

Friends who stayed in the industry after I left eventually transitioned out of development to more managerial positions or teaching positions in game design programs. And there weren't many who stayed. A lot of them like me eventually hit the eject button and transitioned out to other more stable/better paying industries.

So, on the one hand you have people bailing on the industry, probably in their late 20s or early 30s, and on the other hand you have companies trying to keep costs down by hiring younger and less inexperienced developers. What you wind up with is likely a culture of "youth" at the company--at least at the level of game designers and artists.

However, during my time in the industry I noticed that programmers tended to be substantially older than the rest of the team. Yeah, there'd be one or two hotshot young up-and-coming programmers but the programming leads were often guys who had been around since the Atari days. I think the industry greatly values programmers who haven proven themselves capable of not only writing good code but being able to adapt to the ever-changing technology associated with game development
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5. Re: EA Founder Trip Hawkins Teams Up with Skillz Dec 15, 2014, 20:02 sdgundamx
"Trip Hawkins, the charismatic videogame pioneer who founded Electronic Arts (EA), has joined forces with Skillz to help bring eSports to the world’s most popular and accessible platform."

Yeah, they fail to mention how he single-handedly drove The 3DO company into the ground, never paid the final paychecks to any of the employees, then conned a bunch of investors to pay over $12 million to start the mobile game development company Digital Chocolate--which he then proceeded to drive into the ground.

This guy is a hack and should be banned from the games industry for life.

(Yes, I was at 3DO when the ship sank. Yes I'm still bitter. Trip Hawkins personally assured everyone they would get their final paycheck... that was 11 years ago and I'm still waiting for mine.)
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4. Re: Free Torchlight Nov 26, 2014, 20:15 sdgundamx
Torchlight was in my backlog for the longest time (picked it up for $5 a while back) but I finally got around to it last month. Put in 60 hours easily. I recommend the hardcore mode (dead is dead)--really adds a nail-biting feeling to the game. Also, there are lots of great mods out there to improve gameplay, including new content.

The game does have some balance issues (not all skills are equally useful and some are downright bugged) but overall I enjoyed it and recommend you try it if you're thinking of getting Torchlight 2 (which added new skills, classes, monsters, dungeons, outside areas--pretty much improved on everything).
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34. Re: Morning Tech Bits Oct 31, 2014, 02:05 sdgundamx
1,000,000 times this. Thanks for saying it so well.

The problem, as is eminently apparent in this thread, is that too many people think equality has already been achieved or even worse, that pointing out inequality and asking for change is equivalent to begging for special treatment. I find it no surprise that some of the people mocking Tim Cook's announcement are also among the most vocal on Blue's forums in spewing vitriol against Anita Sarkeesian and others looking for change in gaming.

Jivaro wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 18:57:
If you view this announcement from the perspective of a person who has never faced harrassment because of their sexual orientation than I suppose this isn't a big deal. If you aren't a gay teenager who listens to kids at school call each other fags as if it's a bad thing or gets bullied for being "feminine" and wonders if it's going to be like that their entire life, than I suppose it's no big deal. If you have never been fired or held back at a job for "reasons" when in reality it was because your same sex partner picked you from work one day and your boss saw you kiss, than I suppose it's no big deal. In fact, I am going to go out on a limb and say you aren't even the targeted audience.

Hearing the man who is in charge of the single most visible technological company in the world publicly announce that he is gay, that he is successful, and that he is happy is a big deal if you are or have been any of those people. It is indeed 2014 and there are indeed a growing number of people that realize that sexual orientation should be about as relevant to your job as the color of your curtains, but the reality is that this is still an issue that needs to be addressed. Hopefully we are soon coming to the point where it won't be. We aren't there yet though.

edited because I thought what I wrote came across harsh and that isn't what I meant to do.
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12. Re: Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor - Lord of the Hunt Announced Oct 31, 2014, 01:59 sdgundamx
Agreed, boss fights sucked (I liked the first one that was an actual fight, though). But the Epic Runes are fun for just messing around with things like seeing how high you can get the combo meter to go.

Still, I'm thinking of doing a "no rune" playthrough and seeing how different it feels... I started relying heavily on some of those runes in the 2nd half of the game.

Oh, and yeah--first game in as far back as I can remember that I unlocked everything. I didn't even do that with Skyrim and I played that game for... let's just say an ungodly number of hours.

MacLeod wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 15:00:
Honestly, I'm glad they're doing DLC so I can continue my fun after finishing everything else... but I really wish they wouldn't waste their time with the epic runes. If they're like the last DLC runes, they're so grossly overpowered, that it's pretty much cheating to use them. (take 50% less damage, focus lasts 2x as long, and poison doesn't affect you).

The last two boss fights are pretty horrible. First amounts to sneaking up to the guy three times, then a quick time event at end. The last fight is 5 quicktime buttons. Other than that, the rest of the game is actually really enjoyable. First game in a while (Wolfenstein: New Order) that was fun enough for me to actually keep playing to unlock everything with.
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35. Re: etc. Oct 27, 2014, 05:58 sdgundamx
A big problem now is that both sides have demonized the other side, so I don't see how effective communication is going to take place. Either you're a woman-hating bigot or a SJW hellbent on destroying the industry. No one seems willing to admit to a middle-ground and so this whole thing has become intractable.

You add the tinfoil-hat conspiracies that TotalBiscuit mentions in his post and effectively you just have everyone shouting chaotically into the void with no one really listening except the people who already agree with you.

I totally agree with TotalBiscuit's plea to just argue using facts and try to get the emotion out of it, but I think it's gone too far at this point. People have gotten seriously emotionally invested and people have gotten seriously emotionally hurt. It's not that easy to just back off and try to be objective now.

TBH, though, I would be more sympathetic to GG if threads on it didn't derail so often into GG supporters writing screeds on how feminists (or Anita Sarkeesian in particular) are ruining the industry (they aren't--and if you can find some actual facts to show that they are I'll eat my hat) or personally profiteering from the conflict (again, facts please). I would also be more sympathetic if the movement actually followed the ethical standards it so proudly displays on any GG FAQ page. Trying to kill advertising for websites that write things you don't like or trying to get writers fired for having opinions (or making jokes) you don't like doesn't strike me as particularly ethical behavior.

Also, I wish GG supporters would stop with the "GG has raised $X for charity" nonsense. I don't care how much money GG raised for charity. Even the KKK gives to charity: it doesn't mean shit. Basically, if you're running around setting things on fire then I don't want anything to do with your group.
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109. Re: etc., etc. Oct 24, 2014, 21:03 sdgundamx
Jesus H. Christ this thread exploded after I went to sleep!

Anyways, hope you don't mind I snipped some of your post--I'll just say those things you mentioned are all fine arguments and I don't really disagree with what you've said. Like I said previously, I don't mind her critiquing earlier games because it gives perspective to the historical tendency to portray women in certain ways.

As far as The Last of Us goes it's important to remember that Sarkeesian was critiquing media from a feminist perspective for years before she released her videos on video games. But as you say, if he was referring specifically to those videos than that would be suspicious.

Now, your last point is an important one I think. If I'm reading you correctly, you're pointing out that games with Japanese developers seem to be the ones with the biggest problems of the objectification of women. And I think that's a direct reflection of the very real misogynistic problems that Japan is currently facing in a variety of areas (not just games). It's an important point to bring up and I do wish this was explored and talked about more.

But I think it's safe to say Japanese developers are not the only ones with these kinds of problems in their games. Take Double Dragon Neon (which Sarkeesian mentions) for instance, which was developed in the U.S.

jdreyer wrote on Oct 24, 2014, 17:35:

I wonder how true that Last of Us story is. Anita's first video was published in Feb of 2013, while tLoU was published in June of that year. Four months is a very short time to rewrite, reanimate, and rerecord voice acting in time for release.

As for Bayonetta, I would love if she used games like that or Dead or Alive Xtreme 2 or Bikini Samurai Squad or Lollipop Chainsaw as examples. Those games are both made recently and undeniably objectifying. Hmm, there's a pattern with all of these games. If I could only see it...

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74. Re: etc., etc. Oct 24, 2014, 08:53 sdgundamx
And you're perfectly entitled to that opinion. But there are quite a few people still who refuse to acknowledge there is any problem at all.

Now personally, I don't agree with your assessment of Sarkeesian. She's looking for trends in how women are portrayed in games, so I don't see a need for her to arbitrarily limit looking at recent games only. As this is a critique, she's also under no obligation to make a case for both sides of the argument--that's not how literary criticism works in any other media (books, film, etc.) so I don't know why people assume the rules should be different for games. When doing literary criticism you review the content, look for patterns, and make an interpretation based on those patterns. Other people can find other interpretations--that's part of the fun in doing it.

I do think the problem that Sarkeesian brings up is a bit bigger in recent games than you're making it out to be. Case in point: Bayonetta 2, a game that builds into the gameplay pervy close-ups of the nearly naked female protagonist as a reward mechanic. This game mechanic is pretty clearly targeted at a very specific demographic and begs the question of why it was necessary at all--the idea of a female using her sexuality to subvert a patriarchal order is good enough without it (although I think that could probably still have been accomplished without requiring the character to lose her "clothes" the more she fights).

This is not to say all games are pervy or nor is it to say that anyone who plays Bayonetta 2 is a perv. It is, however, appropriate to say that there are games like Bayonetta that contain problematic elements and that these games are not isolated examples, nor did they just magically spring into existence but are actually carrying on a long-standing tradition of portraying women in ways that are, to put it mildly, less than flattering.

So in my opinion, we're not quite at the "stitches" stage yet, as you put it. But that is only my opinion and you are free to disagree with it.

I would point out that, as you said, things are getting better. And they are getting better because of people like Sarkeesian. The Creative Director for The Last of Us has publicly stated that her work had a major influence on both the characters and story of that game and it clearly shows--the game portrays a range of genders and sexualities in a totally believable and quite human way and doesn't sacrifice any gameplay in order to do so.

jdreyer wrote on Oct 24, 2014, 07:03:
I don't deny Anita's right to do it, or even the importance of doing it. My disagreement is with how she does it. She misrepresents. She dwells in the past (yes, shit was bad 30 years ago). She doesn't bother to show how things have gotten better. She preaches to a very specific choir instead of trying to reach across the aisle. Her presentation doesn't encourage reflection or evaluation, it encourages defensiveness and circling the wagons. Does it strive to reach the top of the mountain? Yes, but it takes absolutely the most difficult path up, when there are many easier, more conciliatory paths.

And I think "as bad as" is the point. Are we a patient who had an arm ripped off, requires stitches, or just requires a bandaid? If we're at case 1, arm gone and one step from death, like we were 50 years ago with feminism, then in-your-face bra-burning and massive protests were the only way to get movement. Today however, lots of progress has been made. We're at the stitches stage. There's no need to apply the tourniquet if all you need are stitches. There's little risk of bleeding out. So a more reasoned approach is required. But for Anita the ends seem to justify the means. And people justifiably call "Foul!" Some take it too far, and that's not right. But her methods leave much to be desired.
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67. Re: etc., etc. Oct 24, 2014, 04:21 sdgundamx
jdreyer wrote on Oct 24, 2014, 03:24:

Well, misogyny in gaming is actually a thing. It just happens to be a thing that isn't as bad as Anita claims, and actually happens to be improving. Just like misogyny in other facets of society.

See, if it had stayed at this level of reasonable discussion things wouldn't have gone as sideways as they did.

To me, regardless of whether it is "as bad as" anyone claims isn't the point. If it exists, shouldn't it be criticized? Shouldn't we be talking about ways to reduce it, even if it can't be eliminated completely? Doesn't it open up other interesting critiques about games like how masculinity (or a lack of it) are portrayed in games--and how that portrayal changes depending on whether the game is made in Japan or the US?

I didn't (and still don't) see Anita Sarkeesian's critique taking anything away from games. In fact, if anything, critiquing games from a variety of perspectives helps legitimize games as art. Yet the response to this landmark event in our hobby has been... well, let's just say it's allowed a very vocal minority of gamers to paint us in a less than flattering light.
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61. Re: etc., etc. Oct 24, 2014, 01:58 sdgundamx
I think the biggest problem in this whole mess is that people are taking everything personally. If someone disagrees with their position, they take it to mean they disagree with their entire existence. How can you possibly have an effective discussion if you're not willing to listen to anything the other side says specifically because it's "the other side?"

Some other problems I see are really bad reasoning based more on emotion than actual facts, and the hair-trigger need to go ballistic on people who don't agree with the speaker.

I honestly think everybody would be better off if there were no GG articles for like a week and we could all just take step back, catch our breath, and put things in some perspective.
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59. Re: etc., etc. Oct 24, 2014, 01:25 sdgundamx
You're not alone.

I think people just find it kinda pointless to respond to this kind of crap anymore. When you've crossed over into conspiracy theory territory, you're not dealing with a rational individual, so why even try to engage them? It's like seeing one of those guys on the street who is quoting scripture and screaming the end is near... you kind of make a point to cross the street and not go anywhere near him.

beremot wrote on Oct 24, 2014, 01:08:
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 23, 2014, 22:58:
The mainstream media will NEVER talk about Gamergate truthfully because they need to push the false narrative about misogyny gone wild in America as a tool to guilt people into voting for Hillary in 2016. Think it sounds paranoid? Sure. Write it down, save this post, and come back in two years and try to tell me I was wrong.

This guy can write something as bat shit fucking CRAZY as this, and only ONE person here is willing to straight up call him out on it? Really?
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News Comments > Free & Paid Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor DLC
7. Re: Free & Paid Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor DLC Oct 21, 2014, 23:08 sdgundamx
Prez wrote on Oct 21, 2014, 21:43:
This is my GOTY easily - I knew I would like it going in but I ended up LOVING it. No boredom here - it was a thrill a minute right up until the very end for me. The new DLC isn't enough to pull me back in just yet. I'll probably replay it but not until after Christmas.

Agreed. It doesn't try to be everything--it knows what it does well and gives you lots of it in a variety of flavors. I'm sensing the people who aren't thrilled with the game were hoping it would actually be something else (more RPGish with dialogue or more Diablo-esque with loot or something). I rather appreciate that they stripped away a lot of the superfluous stuff and just tried to answer the question: how many different ways can you kill an orc?
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21. Re: Evening Interviews Oct 21, 2014, 02:55 sdgundamx
PropheT wrote on Oct 21, 2014, 00:45:
sdgundamx wrote on Oct 21, 2014, 00:10:
I haven't seen Gotham or Arrow, but my officemate says Arrow is kind of one those "guilty pleasure"-type shows: not great but reasonably enjoyable if you're willing to just kinda go with it.

I love Arrow, it's one of the few shows I really have gotten into. It's on Netflix so it's worth checking out if you have an account there, just make sure and stick with it when it feels like a bit of a lull in the middle of the first season as it gets much better toward the end.

My wife was telling me about Gotham earlier tonight and that she just didn't care for it at all, but I haven't had a chance to see it yet myself.

The Flash is actually pretty good. It's a bit more on the light-hearted side than Arrow is, but it's enjoyable so far.

Cool, I've got Netflix so I'll check out the first season.

I actually am old enough to remember the 90s Flash series, which I liked well enough as a kid but can't remember anything significant about it now. Will check out the new one as well.
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72. Re: Jade Raymond Leaving Ubisoft Oct 21, 2014, 02:21 sdgundamx
Beamer wrote on Oct 20, 2014, 22:40:
Cutter wrote on Oct 20, 2014, 22:25:
BitWraith wrote on Oct 20, 2014, 22:19:
You people lack empathy.

Go have a fucking rally already. Hold hands and sing Kumbaya with the other SJWs where you can all sit in a drum circle and commiserate about how fucking awful the rest of us are because we really don't give a shit about this stupidity - and that's all it is. I have plenty of empathy...for things that actually matter.

No empathy because we won't join the SJW circle-jerk. Holy blue flaming Jesus on a pogo stick! Rolleyes

Even those that hate me have to admit this guy adds the least value here, right?

I mean, come on. All those redundant posts about how evil Apple is but saying women shouldn't be allowed to talk is ok.

Cutter doesn't spend his WHOLE time here talking about these issues--he's made other posts that are completely reasonable about the games he plays. He's opinionated and occasionally crosses the line, but Blue cleans up the mess when Cutter poops on the floor. If he were a spambot or something advertising links to his product every thread I'd say a ban is in order but I don't see the need to ban him just for expressing unpopular opinions.

Though if I were Blue, I might consider a suspension or something for a couple of weeks every time he does go to far.
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15. Re: Evening Interviews Oct 21, 2014, 00:10 sdgundamx
NKD wrote on Oct 20, 2014, 22:07:
I propose that we create a new rule. If a comment thread has an article related to GamerGate in it, we talk about something else like hockey or TV shows we're watching.

Anyone been watching Gotham? What do you think so far? I feel like it has a lot of potential but it's not one of those shows I eagerly wait to watch each week. I've never really been able to get excited about procedurals. For example once Person of Interest became more about the overall plot and less about the number of the week, I liked it a lot more.

I haven't seen Gotham or Arrow, but my officemate says Arrow is kind of one those "guilty pleasure"-type shows: not great but reasonably enjoyable if you're willing to just kinda go with it.

What about The Walking Dead or Sons of Anarchy? I felt the first two episodes of the new season of The Walking Dead were reasonably good and getting back to what made the series interesting in the first place (i.e. exploring what is "moral" in a world of anarchy). SoA was a bit of a disappointment at first, but it started to get better around the 4th and 5th episodes.
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News Comments > Play Civilization V Free This Week
9. Re: Play Civilization V Free This Week Oct 21, 2014, 00:00 sdgundamx
Krovven wrote on Oct 20, 2014, 23:45:
Agreed that vanilla Civ V was rather weak. The expansions really made it a great game (particularly the G&K xpac). While I had played Civ 3 and Civ IV very briefly I could never get into them. Playing PBEM games of Civ V is what really got me into it and I ended up playing the game far far more, even solo, than I ever expected.

I can't wait for Beyond Earth. Here's to another 600hrs over the next 3+ years...

See, it was the exact opposite for me. Played Civ4 for I don't know how many hours but could never get into Civ5. Yeah, the new combat mechanics are neat--no more stacks of doom, for instance--but the whole package combined just couldn't hold my interest. Part of the problem I think was that it just felt slower than Civ4 to me. I mean that both literally (AI turn-taking seemed to take longer) and just the pace of games in general. Every time I play I find myself tapping my desk waiting to get to the "fun" parts and they just don't seem to come quick enough.
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49. Re: etc., etc. Oct 19, 2014, 08:23 sdgundamx
I'll admit that I was too quick to judge your mental acuity in that first post.

But I must then also admit--and I know this sounds harsh--you've done nothing to convince me that my original assessment was wrong. No, I don't expect you to state every argument on the Internet, I expect you to state YOUR argument or provide a link to someone who you think accurately represents your position--something you've yet again failed to do in this latest comment despite my repeated asking.

Look at it from my point of view. Anytime you're asked to state your explicit problems with Sarkeesian's argument you evade the question. Instead, our entire discussion has focused around your attempt to discredit Sarkeesian--a tactic I've pointed out is both tasteless and very often conveys that the arguer has nothing to support their side.

Now, as far as Summers goes, as I've already pointed out her argument consists of "I read some literature (but I'm not going to tell you what) and I didn't find any misogyny. You should trust me because I call myself a feminist." As if that isn't fail enough, she admits she hasn't touched a video game since the 80s. At this point I need to remind you that a huge part of your argument to discredit Anita is not a gamer and only played some of the games she talked about while watching videos of others. If you still can't see how absurd your choice of Summers--someone whose entire argument was an appeal to authority and according to your own standards was less qualified to comment on games than Anita--was to support your position, I honestly have to start questioning your reasoning abilities.

Regarding Thunderf00t, I pointed out just a few of the problems with the video in this very thread. Scroll down to read them. That post was long enough without continuing to pick apart the remainder of the video and again I need to remind you that the whole point of our discussion here is not to discuss my problems with Thunderf00t's video but YOUR problems with Anita's videos--something sadly we never got to despite the enormous fuck-ton of text that we've both written because you keep failing to answer the question.

Add into all of this the extremely aggressive tone of your posts and I'd have to admit my interest in continuing to engage with you about this topic has pretty much waned. I'd like to have a rational and reasonable discussion about the issues with you and I expect (as I've already stated) we'll probably agree about some of your complaints. But having a rational and reasonable discussion doesn't seem to be something you're interested in doing here so I'll just bid you good day and let you get back to... whatever it is you are trying to achieve here.

Prez wrote on Oct 19, 2014, 02:54:
You know sdgundamx, you lecture others on attacking the person and not refuting the message but ironically that is all I see you do. You have not presented one single solitary counter argument to Thunderfoot's points. You did not offer a single rebuttal to any of Christina Summers points yesterday. For someone who complains about it happening to Sarkeesian you sure don't waste time doing it to someone else. Anita's videos are garbage. I can go through each one and systematically pick apart each point that she makes and refute it with easily-found facts. But then you would just question my mental ability. Oh wait - you already did that. That others have already done exactly what you are asking for apparently doesn't register for you. I guess you think that this debate here on Blues only started once you joined it? Should we all go back and re-make all of our points, the ones we made before you graced us with your presence, for your benefit?

You also keep moving the goal posts. First no one was countering any of her arguments. Now people are only countering one of her arguments. Videos have been posted pointing out just how wrong she is but because you don't like the people making them the whole lot of them are null and void. You won't be satisfied until someone breaks down each point she makes, no matter how stupid, and spells it out for you why she is wrong -politely- I guess? Even then, I doubt you would be satisfied. My guess is that you know that no one here is actually going to take the time to do such a herculean task since we have better ways to spend our free time and don't have the benefit of kickstarter money (espectially when so many of her points are face-palm worthy and shouldn't need to be rebutted). So I guess you think you can therefore "win" because no one can rise to your challenge, thus we are all just Anita-hating morons. The fact is the onus is on her to try to make a coherent argument, not on us to try to pick them apart. Thus far she has come woefully short of that. You may agree with her message but if her facts, her methodology, and her logic are dishonest and wrong-headed (as they continue to be) that just isn't going to cut it for those of us not readily pre-disposed to her line of thinking. The gamergate issue came about when the media not only failed to call her out on her many fallacies she presents as truth, but actively ignored the opposition despite their responsibility to present all sides of an issue. They have abandoned their journalistic integrity in the name of agendas and activism.
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45. Re: etc. Oct 19, 2014, 07:42 sdgundamx
Thanks to both of you for answering the question honestly. I may not agree with your answers but I respect and appreciate the logical consistency of them.

NKD wrote on Oct 18, 2014, 22:13:
sdgundamx wrote on Oct 18, 2014, 21:34:

But let's say for the sake of argument it IS reasonable. If the feminists receiving threats need to STFU about them then it logically follows that GG supporters getting threats need to STFU about it too. Otherwise the position is hypocritical--it's okay for my side to do it but not theirs.

Yes, everyone who thinks these Twitter threats are legitimate preludes to actual violence are ignoring objective reality and need to shut the fuck up and stop playing the victim, regardless of their opinions on other matters.

Like I said, it's a statistical fact that nothing is likely to come from these Twitter threats. That's not my opinion. It's not in any way subjective. It's an outcome that almost never happens. It's not reasonable to flee your home or post articles where you claim you're worried someone will kill your newborn child.

Prez wrote on Oct 18, 2014, 22:06:
sdgundamx wrote on Oct 18, 2014, 21:54:

Okay, so you agree that all GG supporters need to shut up about the death threats they're receiving? If not, why not?

They don't have the media on their side so they get no positive gain out of it - I suppose they are doing it for some sort of counterpoint. But honestly, they can STFU as well - I doubt any of it is credible. At any rate I am not a GG supporter; I am someone who finds the media's behavior in the last several months utterly deplorable. I identify with no group.

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36. Re: etc. Oct 18, 2014, 21:54 sdgundamx
Prez wrote on Oct 18, 2014, 21:49:
I don't have a problem with anyone taking the steps they feel necessary to ensure their own safety. That's common sense. However, I find playing the sympathy card to be sickening. "Oh look, poor me - I got an anonymous death threat - let me post it all over my social network pages so everyone can give me all kinds of positive coverage and exposure!" That's just BS. You seem tho think it is a matter of simple opportunism; I find it reprehensible because professional victims like Quinn and Sarkeesian, and now this tool at Polygon, use it as a tool for discrediting all opposition, including moderate and logical opposition. Invariably the "woe is me" sympathy parade leads to unfair parallels being drawn when those in the media shamelessly play it up to paint all opposition with a broad brush because they are NOT impartial, but extremist activists. That is to say nothing that there is enough evidence to suggest at least some of these supposed threats are fabrications; I certainly wouldn't put it past people of such poor character as Sarkeesian and Quinn. There is a sizeable amount of evidence showing their documented lack of integrity so don't even start with the character assassination comments.

Okay, so you agree that all GG supporters need to shut up about the death threats they're receiving? If not, why not?
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34. Re: etc. Oct 18, 2014, 21:34 sdgundamx
NKD wrote on Oct 18, 2014, 20:22:

The same thing the rest of us do when we are threatened by dickless 13 year olds behind the anonymity of the Internet. Ignore it, or if you want a slim chance of maybe them getting in trouble for it, forward it to the authorities and go about your life.

You know how many cases there are of someone on the Internet getting mad because they disagreed with someone, and then finding them and killing them? I don't even know. I can only think of a couple, ever. The two I'm thinking of were in Korea and China respectively, and in both cases the people were already personally acquainted. It just happened to be an Internet disagreement that set them off.

Sorry, but this fantasy people have of some angry nerd finding them and killing them for liking what they don't like is just not something that people need to be worried about. That's just a fact. There is no data to support that there are real risks of this happening. What few "internet creepo kills someone" stories there are, it's usually some psychopath luring someone to his house, or some stalker obsessing over someone for years. It's like living in fear of getting hit by a meteor.

Well, there's a couple of things wrong with that argument.

First, you don't speak for "the rest of us." What you're really saying is that they didn't act the way you would have acted in that situation. It's a bit unreasonable to expect everyone to act exactly the way you do.

But let's say for the sake of argument it IS reasonable. If the feminists receiving threats need to STFU about them then it logically follows that GG supporters getting threats need to STFU about it too. Otherwise the position is hypocritical--it's okay for my side to do it but not theirs.

The second thing wrong with the argument is that "the rest of us" are not public representatives of a social movement. It's their job (as well as the job of prominent proponents of GG who are receiving threats) to draw media attention to the incidents to both publicize their cause and demonstrate how people are reacting to it.

One more thing: last I checked, the people who sent these threats have not been found. When the FBI says a threat is "credible" it means they know who sent it and therefore can make an analysis about the level of danger posed by the threat. They can't make that determination one way or the other until they know who sent the threat. So the GG notion that these threats not being credible = there is no risk is pretty much bullshit.

EDIT: What I'm saying is that when the authorities determine there is no credible threat, it means they either know who made the threat and have determined that person isn't likely or able to carry it out OR they don't have corroborating information that the threat isn't a one-off instance. In the former situation you could be reasonably sure that there is no risk. In the latter (this case) there is still a risk of something happening but without further information becoming available the authorities can't take any action other than increasing security and letting people know about the threat so that they're more alert of the potential situation.

EDIT 2: Took me a while to find it, but here's a link to a Polygon article in which they interview the FBI and it is explained how they come to the determination of whether a threat is credible or not:

Authorities continue to 'aggressively pursue' death threats to Sarkeesian, Utah university

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