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News Comments > More Star Wars Classics on GOG.com & Steam
16. Re: Multiplayer? Apr 29, 2015, 05:20 InBlack
 
Ant wrote on Apr 29, 2015, 05:17:
Do the old games, with their multiplayers, still work today? I still have my original games. :O

No. (That's an educated guess by the way )
 
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News Comments > Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds
100. Re: Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds Apr 29, 2015, 05:16 InBlack
 
Did everyone just get hit by a stupid virus or what the fuck? I said that no one does art JUST to get paid. JUST. in Capital LETTERS FFS! Artists would do their thing no matter what, those who can do it to earn a living are the lucky ones, I WISH that everyone who dabbles in any kind of art, could be so lucky to earn their living doing art.

But no one does art JUST (look CAPITAL letters again HINT! HINT!) to make money. Those that have a job doing what they love are the lucky ones, I wish all of us could be so lucky. But trust me on this, even if they didn't have that particular job, they would still be doing their thing...
 
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News Comments > Ultima 8 Free on Origin
9. Re: Ultima 8 Free on Origin Apr 29, 2015, 03:45 InBlack
 
I was one of the three or four people on the planet who actually enjoyed and liked Ultima8. It was frustrating at times true, but it was also unbelievably satifisfying when you found out what you were supposed to be doing. This game did the opposite of handholding.  
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News Comments > Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds
98. Re: Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds Apr 29, 2015, 03:35 InBlack
 
Silicon Avatar wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 10:06:
InBlack wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 08:29:
Slick wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 08:24:
OpticNerve wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 07:58:
Slick wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 07:36:
creating art isn't a job?
Wow, if you think that's true, then you might be in the wrong business/hobby. If you draw for a company or commission, then yes it is a job.

You create art to improve yourself and your skills. It's not a job. It's an investment.

I don't even know where to begin... there are no artisans in the world apparently. there are only hobbiests who create "true" art, anyone receiving a paycheque are just hucksters i suppose?. And i was the one being accused of living in a dystopia...

No true artist creates art just to get paid, the lucky ones get to sell some of it. The really lucky ones can live from their art. The very vast majority eats crud. Most do it for reasons other than money, and those that do it just for the money are more often than not untalanted hacks. Ask any artist if you dont believe me.


I have "asked an artist" and you are full of it. Professional artists want to be paid. It can take a hundred hours to make a picture. You think pro artists don't want a return on that time? Wha??



READING COMPREHENSION! Where did I say that artists don't want to be paid!? Where?...please quote that part in red! I myself am a musician and I compose every now and again, so this is doubly insulting!
 
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News Comments > Morning Interviews
11. Re: Morning Interviews Apr 29, 2015, 02:23 InBlack
 
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 16:14:
Certain companies have that standing with me which goes by what they release. Blizzard lost that standing with Diablo 3.

I second that sentiment.
 
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News Comments > More Star Wars Classics on GOG.com & Steam
14. Re: More Star Wars Classics on GOG.com & Steam Apr 29, 2015, 02:14 InBlack
 
Jedi Knight II is one of the best FPS shooters ever, Raven sure knew how to craft 'em back in the day.  
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
3. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 28, 2015, 09:46 InBlack
 
That Cowherd guy sounds like he would be happier herding cows instead anyway.  
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
1. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 28, 2015, 09:05 InBlack
 
Gotta agree with your assesment of that coverage Blue. The commentary and broadcast of e-sports leaves a lot to be desired, this is especially true of the few HOTS tournaments Ive watched onine. The biggest mistake they make IMO is that they put two or more guys who get into a shouting match while they trade 'ideas' about what is going on in the current game, instead of, focusing on the game itself?  
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News Comments > Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds
81. Re: Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds Apr 28, 2015, 08:54 InBlack
 
Slick wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 08:48:
so where's the problem again?

I edited my previous post so you probably didnt catch it. IP control is the problem. People won't be able to build on mods if they become pay-to-play. The mod creators sure as hell wont let others feed off their success free of charge. (Do you see the irony?) Do you get what Im saying? You will close off the biggest source of innovation in the modding scene, the true reason why modding is such a huge success, the ability to take someone else's mod and improve upon it.
 
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News Comments > Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds
78. Re: Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds Apr 28, 2015, 08:38 InBlack
 
Slick wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 08:31:
the idea that no one would ever release something for free if they knew someone else would profit from it is one of the most depressing things I've read today. no one would ever say a joke if it were possible that a comedian would steal the joke and make money off of it in their stand up act. and lo, the world was bereft of laughter.


You are using a false analogy yet again. Im talking about modding. Or if you really want to generalise, working on someone else's foundation with their permission. The whole concept of modding is built on this premise. Sort of like open-source. Once you close that shit down, and bring money into the game, bye bye modding. How many games today support mods compared to the games of the 90's? Why do you think that is? IP control. You are naive if you dont believe that is exactly what is going to happen to a rich modding community like Skyrim's once money is involved. Sure the 'big' popular mods will survive, they will even probably be bigger and better. But the community as a whole will wither away, and innovation will be limited by what you can sell and to whom.

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News Comments > Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds
74. Re: Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds Apr 28, 2015, 08:29 InBlack
 
Slick wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 08:24:
OpticNerve wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 07:58:
Slick wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 07:36:
creating art isn't a job?
Wow, if you think that's true, then you might be in the wrong business/hobby. If you draw for a company or commission, then yes it is a job.

You create art to improve yourself and your skills. It's not a job. It's an investment.

I don't even know where to begin... there are no artisans in the world apparently. there are only hobbiests who create "true" art, anyone receiving a paycheque are just hucksters i suppose?. And i was the one being accused of living in a dystopia...

No true artist creates art just to get paid, the lucky ones get to sell some of it. The really lucky ones can live from their art. The very vast majority eats crud. Most do it for reasons other than money, and those that do it just for the money are more often than not untalanted hacks. Ask any artist if you dont believe me.
 
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News Comments > Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds
72. Re: Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds Apr 28, 2015, 08:20 InBlack
 
Slick wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 08:15:
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@Harlock: Maybe because the status-quo was working out pretty good for all parties concerned? Do you really believe this 'experiment' was initated by the modding community?

No, the status quo was working out fine for the sheep who have been consuming free content for decades. it was always a slap in the face that modders would get takedown notices if they so much as posted a paypal link for any wayward donations on their mod site.

the IP owners, the modders, and the store selling them both reached an agreement where they all make off like kings. It was about damn time. It lasted about 3 days.

if you want to talk about what's been "initiated by the modding community" you'll have to go back pretty far to witness the first quake mods being sold for $2.00 for a floppy disk. how far back do you have to go to find people who wanted to be paid for their work?

What? Im pretty sure you are now making shit up, I have never ever seen a Quake mod for sale, and yes I have been around in those days. Maybe it was a thing specific to the U.S. but I remember the most popular Quake mods being free, and proud of it. In fact the best mods for those 'old' games were a collaboration effort from different modders who would have never shared code or assets if they were competing for a market share. I myself did work on a Morrowind werewolf mod, I wrote a shitload of quest and dialogue, backstory and I did it without expecting to get paid.

None of this would be possible in a paid mods environment, there would be no room for free mods since no one would release something for free when they know that someone else would profit from it.
 
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News Comments > Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds
67. Re: Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds Apr 28, 2015, 08:10 InBlack
 
@Harlock: Maybe because the status-quo was working out pretty good for all parties concerned? Do you really believe this 'experiment' was initated by the modding community?  
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News Comments > Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds
65. Re: Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds Apr 28, 2015, 08:01 InBlack
 
Slick wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 07:57:
yeah, i'm a regular Ayn Rand. The idea of the OPTION of paying artists for their work is pretty dystopian.

Except that analogy is kind of wrong. Modders are like fan artists, not original artists. They don't own the IP, they frequently (in total conversion mods) use art that isn't even owned by Bethesda. The problem isn't as simple as you like to portray it.
 
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News Comments > Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds
61. Re: Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds Apr 28, 2015, 07:50 InBlack
 
Slick wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 07:48:
OpticNerve wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 07:39:
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All art should be free. OK. So how do artists eat?

They... get jobs?

creating art isn't a job? that's rich coming from an artist. and on a videogame forum too. last i checked videogames were forms of art. and thank god we live in a world where people can still stomach putting their money where their mouths are, so that we have the thriving games industry that exists today.

how many games would be made if no one ever got paid for any of the work? it's a hippy utopia. why is one form of work less worthy of being paid than another? is art not art if the artist makes a paycheque?

hippy. utopia. i respect it, just fundamentally disagree with it.

You are seriously going off the rails here dude. Did an Atlas Shrugged fall on your head when you were a little kid or something?
 
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News Comments > Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds
59. Re: Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds Apr 28, 2015, 07:48 InBlack
 
Wow Slick, you are outdoing yourself here. You show those fucking angry gamers what anger is really about RAAAWWRRR!!  
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News Comments > Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds
46. Re: Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds Apr 28, 2015, 06:07 InBlack
 
Ok...nevermind. I see Im not getting through here. It's a moot point anyway. This shit is gone, for now.  
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News Comments > Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds
44. Re: Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds Apr 28, 2015, 05:56 InBlack
 
The system doesn't correct itself because there is no system in place! There are no avenues which you can legally take here, this isnt like Greenlight or CS or Team Fortress, where Valve has complete control and final say.  
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News Comments > Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds
42. Re: Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds Apr 28, 2015, 05:45 InBlack
 
ItBurn wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 05:29:
...but I really haven't seen anything that made the idea of paid mods a bad one.

Here is one. Say you create a mod, a pretty decent one and have released it some time ago. For one reason or another you move on to another game mod, etc. In the meantime someone else comes along and modifies your mod, changing something maybe improving it a little bit and releases that mod under a new name. He then goes on to sell this mod, while you are blissfully unaware that someone stole your WORK and is profiting from it!!

Or we can take it in the other direction too. You release a great paid mod and the money starts rolling in. A few weeks later someone else comes along changes a few things around, rebrands it, and releases their own version (under their name) of the same mod and sells it for 50% less, or even gives it away for free!!

See where Im going with this? The mod scene is a thriving community because people help each other out and someone is always improving on another persons work etc. etc. As soon as you introduce money, it turns into a wild west of sorts. It can't work out, not the way Valve/Bethesda imagined it would, not without introducing a lot of rules and structure into the process beforehand. In other words, not without completely crushing the existing modding scene.

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News Comments > Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds
37. Re: Steam Ending Paid Mods; Providing Refunds Apr 28, 2015, 04:15 InBlack
 
Fletch wrote on Apr 28, 2015, 03:45:
Part of the value of games like Skyrim are the large number of high-quality, free mods available.
"We wanted more great mods becoming great products..."
...that produce more revenue streams for Valve. We think 75% is fair.

Great mods become great products when someone hires the developers, pumps in their own cash for production and registers an IP. I.E. mods become great products when they ARENT mods anymore. Valve already knows this, since they are the ones who perfected the M.O. So this entire statement is pure bullshit.

You can't just come in and proclaim: From henceforth, all mods shall be for sale & there shallst be honour among thieves!

Thank god common sense prevailed.
 
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