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News Comments > Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds
57. Re: Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds May 6, 2014, 23:55 NKD
 
Where do you think the money for the refunds came from? Valve. Assuming they've already paid some money out to the developer, they'll have to get that money back from him.  
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News Comments > Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds
54. Re: Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds May 6, 2014, 23:27 NKD
 
Killswitch wrote on May 6, 2014, 23:19:

Your expression of "people who were stupid" is appalling and exactly what I had addressed in my previous post. You have absolutely no empathy for those who do not think the same way as you do. It sounds as though you are saying that people who want to rob others of their hard earned money are free to do so, as long as they are "stupid and ignorant". Your attitude, although not unique, is a huge problem for society and this attitude desperately needs to change.

You're blowing things way out of proportion. People were reimbursed and not overly inconvenienced. Nowhere did I state that stupid people should just be up shit creek. Obviously they are entitled to a refund, even if they do make poor purchasing decisions.

I just don't think the problem is severe enough to warrant any kind of heavy-handed new measures that might prevent or discourage indies from using Steam.

People say there is a problem, but the evidence doesn't show it. We have only a couple cases. You say that if one person can do it, so can anyone else, but they aren't. This is a rare situation, and the scenario played out exactly like it should. Products that were not as advertised were found out, pulled, and the victims compensated in a timely manner. And they probably learned a good lesson about smarter purchasing decisions to boot.

Let's talk about reality here and not hypotheticals.
 
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News Comments > Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds
51. Re: Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds May 6, 2014, 22:57 NKD
 
Killswitch wrote on May 6, 2014, 22:41:
NKD wrote on May 6, 2014, 22:17:
There ARE safeguards. People are getting full fucking refunds!

There needs to be safeguards before the crime is committed like I had originally stated. As it is now, Valve is reactive instead of proactive; this needs to change.

Why? No one has even explained why there is a problem. Steam has thousands of titles and you can count on one-hand the number that have been so problematic that mass refunds were necessary.

Why do a few outliers warrant some new and probably expensive testing system?

A product was released as an Early Access title. People who were stupid bought it, sight unseen, and suffered a minor inconvenience for doing so. People who were smart waited, saw that it was a stinker from a scam artist, and did not purchase. Steam pulled the title to prevent further people from falling prey to the scam and issued timely refunds.

I fail to see what's wrong with this scenario. It isn't a situation that happens often, and everything turned out okay in the end.

If there was an epidemic of scammers and fraudulent games, I could understand the need for new measures, but there isn't. So any solution would just cause more problems than it was actually solving.

I'd like to be able to make my own choices about which games are worth my time and money, and I'd like the convenience of having those be available on Steam.

 
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News Comments > Activision Blizzard Financials
5. Re: Activision Blizzard Financials May 6, 2014, 22:25 NKD
 
HorrorScope wrote on May 6, 2014, 21:07:
NKD wrote on May 6, 2014, 19:01:
WoW is incredibly stale right now.

Not sure if serious.

Um, very serious. This is the longest it's been since a content update since the game was launched IIRC, and there are still months to go before the expansion. There's a very real chance that the game could go a full year without a single meaningful content update.
 
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News Comments > Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds
48. Re: Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds May 6, 2014, 22:17 NKD
 
Killswitch wrote on May 6, 2014, 21:40:

And for anyone saying the victims get what they deserve... You're the epitome of society. This is exactly why there needs to be safeguards in place; because there's people like you in the world that have no empathy or remorse.

There ARE safeguards. People are getting full fucking refunds!
 
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News Comments > WildStar Open Beta This Week
12. Re: WildStar Open Beta This Week May 6, 2014, 22:14 NKD
 
xXBatmanXx wrote on May 6, 2014, 21:43:
If that is the only thing people can say, it negates every single post that says "Wildstar is better than ESO"

F that.

I wouldn't go so far as to say "Wildstar is better than ESO" but they are making an MMO game for MMO players, with a specific focus, and aren't spending 11,000 billion dollars making SWTOR 2.0.

They are trying to make a (relatively) niche title for people who enjoy challenging group and raid content, it's as simple as that.

Judging by the response to Wildstar from within my own guild, where we've got two 40-man rosters nearly filled already just based on what people have played in beta, I can say they've managed very well to recapture the feel that a lot of us are looking for.

It's not particularly innovative, but it does what it sets out to do.


Darks wrote on May 6, 2014, 22:00:

I was one of those who played WOW for many years, was in a very good guild and Raided all the time. I can tell you this now. 40 man raids Fuck that! Do you have any idea what itís like to try and get 40 people together at one time? Itís nearly impossible. You end up pugging it because you canít find everyone. And itís so fricking chaotic during battle and trying to coordinate everyone.

That is why WOW slimmed down the Raids to that they are now to make them manageable. Good luck with your 40 man Raids. Because that shit wonít last long you can bank on that.

Yeah, I'm well aware of how 40-man raiding worked. I also raided in much larger numbers than that in EverQuest. My guild skews significantly older than most of the MMO crowd so we've seen a lot and know precisely what we like and what we don't.
 
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News Comments > Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds
44. Re: Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds May 6, 2014, 19:52 NKD
 
Overon wrote on May 6, 2014, 19:16:
And now that effect has been magnified and made worse. I think there is a middle ground between the extremes we are discussing.

And I don't think we're at an extreme. I think the current situation IS the middle ground. You can count on one hand the number of titles that were such a clusterfuck Valve had to pull them from sale.

There's no systemic problem here. Just a couple outliers.

Anything more than removing obvious fraudsters and false marketeers is equivalent to imposing an arbitrary standard which many Steam users may not agree with.
 
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News Comments > WildStar Open Beta This Week
3. Re: WildStar Open Beta This Week May 6, 2014, 19:44 NKD
 
Darks wrote on May 6, 2014, 19:13:
So, I played this this past weekend and what a piece of shit game this is. Its fricking WOW in space for kiddies.

Warning: It's not really a good game for kiddies, they are focusing on group content, are bringing back 40-man raids, even a couple things that'll take more than a 40-man raid group to complete, supposedly.

The leveling curve isn't as fast as most modern MMOs, and with the focus on bringing back a "vanilla WoW" style of raiding, it'll be too hardcore for a lot of folks. Kiddies with attention deficit won't have too much fun in Wildstar, neither will the non-MMO players who insist on playing MMOs by themselves then complaining that they aren't having any fun.
 
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News Comments > Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds
39. Re: Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds May 6, 2014, 19:06 NKD
 
Overon wrote on May 6, 2014, 18:53:
How did they do it then?

By excluding indie developers almost entirely. And they still had plenty of shitty games. No, there wasn't the occasional fraudster, but there were plenty of games that weren't even close to being good or worth the asking price.
 
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News Comments > Activision Blizzard Financials
1. Re: Activision Blizzard Financials May 6, 2014, 19:01 NKD
 
Pretty easy to see that subscriber drop coming, given the huge lag time between the last content update and the new expansion. My guild has moved over to Wildstar for the time being. If it ends up sucking ass then we'll return to WoW at expansion time, but WoW is incredibly stale right now.  
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News Comments > Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds
37. Re: Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds May 6, 2014, 18:42 NKD
 
Beamer wrote on May 6, 2014, 17:39:

No one wants a store to tell them what they can and cannot buy.

Yeah. I don't really want someone else's idea of what's worth selling dictated upon me. The way Valve deals with it is fine. They get a lot of customer complaints, they yank the title and issue refunds, and it doesn't happen that often to begin with.

The bottom line is that unless you're a complete moron foolishly not looking before you leap, Steam's current system works just fine for avoiding games that aren't what they claim to be.

It's certainly not an issue worthy of barring the doors to indie developers or hiring a fifty man testing team to play every game front-to-back and decide if its worthwhile or not, which except in rare cases is going to be pretty fucking subjective.

Did anyone here buy this title or even consider buying it after looking into it for a couple minutes? Considering that this was obviously a turd from the moment it went up, I really doubt it, so what's the whining about?
 
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News Comments > Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds
5. Re: Valve Offering Earth: Year 2066 Refunds May 6, 2014, 09:08 NKD
 
Task wrote on May 6, 2014, 09:01:

still hate reddit though

That there newfangled reddits always gettin on mah lawn.
 
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News Comments > Wolfenstein: The New Order German Censorship Plans
1. Re: Wolfenstein: The New Order German Censorship Plans May 5, 2014, 22:26 NKD
 
It's funny that despite all their ridiculous censorship/anti-Nazi-imagery laws, Germany is still one of the bastions of white supremacy.  
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News Comments > Bethesda Seeks Testers
1. Re: Bethesda Seeks Testers May 5, 2014, 22:25 NKD
 
I dunno, are they gonna sue us if we take our testing know-how elsewhere after we're done?  
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News Comments > Steam Top 10
13. Re: Steam Top 10 May 4, 2014, 19:17 NKD
 
jdreyer wrote on May 4, 2014, 15:08:
Creston wrote on May 4, 2014, 14:46:
Teehee, Skyrim!

I wonder if the bump is from people fleeing ESO?

Maybe. But you'd think most of the people fleeing the ESO trainwreck would have had Skyrim for ages at this point.
 
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News Comments > Evening Crowdfunding Roundup
17. Re: Evening Crowdfunding Roundup May 3, 2014, 15:46 NKD
 
Dirwulf wrote on May 3, 2014, 15:31:
NKD wrote on May 3, 2014, 00:04:
Panickd wrote on May 2, 2014, 22:34:
Seems somewhat strange. How hard could it have been to have weird ass playing cards printed up?

And what, exactly, will this end up costing the Washington taxpayer? More than the $25,000 that was taken? Oh yes, it's an election year. Silly me. I thought this was about the consumers getting fleeced.

The suit is brought by the office of the Attorney General, who is appointed by Gov. Jay Inslee, who isn't up for re-election until 2016. Also, as a resident of WA, I can assure you no one gives a fuck about crowdfunding fraud and it's not really a hot button issue that's going to sway voters 2 years from now.

Whatever the motivation here, just ignoring this kind of activity because it's not profitable to go after it is a pretty fucking stupid position to hold.

I'm a WA state taxpayer, and the portion of my taxes that goes to the Attorney General's office is supposed to be used for stuff like this, so more power to them.

If you lived in Washington, you would know there is no state income tax. So I guess you mean your federal tax money?

We have a sales tax, and all the other myriad taxes states levy upon their residents. I doubt my federal income tax goes to the WA state AG. You should see the taxes we have on booze now after we opened up liquor sales to non-state-run stores.

But what is the point you're trying to make? That the AG's office runs on cupcakes and happy thoughts and the citizens of WA don't pay them?

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News Comments > Evening Crowdfunding Roundup
15. Re: Evening Crowdfunding Roundup May 3, 2014, 03:49 NKD
 
WaltC wrote on May 3, 2014, 01:44:
Sure, backing a Kickstarter isn't *exactly* like "gaming" at a casino or buying a lottery ticket--it's not exactly the same thing at all. But in the case of backing a Kickstarter, just like in the case of gambling, your money legally guarantees you *nothing*, and it simply doesn't matter what it was that you understood the particular Kickstarter project to be giving you *in return* for your money. In that case, you understood wrong. The fine print says it all. Learning how to read is the first step towards a long and happy life, imo...;)

I hope you're not a lawyer because this is factually incorrect, at least in the US. It does not comport with US law, Kickstarter's TOU, or even their FAQ.

From Kickstarter FAQ:

Is a creator legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their project?

Yes. Kickstarter's Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. (This is what creators see before they launch.) This information can serve as a basis for legal recourse if a creator doesn't fulfill their promises. We hope that backers will consider using this provision only in cases where they feel that a creator has not made a good faith effort to complete the project and fulfill.

There is no "fine print" that states you have no recourse if delivery of rewards is not made. In fact, Kickstarter's "fine print" only protects Kickstarter from liability. It does not protect the project creator in any way, shape, or form. When backing a project, if your funds are accepted you are entitled to what is listed as a reward. If the project creator has not made good faith efforts to deliver that product, they may be guilty of fraud, but that's involved proving intent to defraud and laws vary from state to state and internationally.

The reason this is a civil suit is because it's trivial to prove that money was given by a large number of individuals, and none received a product. Intent to defraud isn't necessary, only failure to deliver on what was promised. You were right about one thing, this is being pursued because it's a guaranteed win. The guy most likely will not even show up to court and will just eat a default judgement because he has no significant funds or assets left to lose.

Saying "I will give you this in exchange for X amount of dollars" in a way that can be proven is as legitimate a civil contract as one 50 pages long written by ten lawyers. Saying otherwise is incorrect. And as to the claims of trying to grab political capital, there is little or none to be had in the political climate of Washington right now with penny ante issues like this one, at least not in terms of votes. At best it'll beef up the resume of the Assistant AG working the lawsuit.

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News Comments > CCP's Project Legion Announced
6. Re: CCP's Project Legion Announced May 3, 2014, 01:32 NKD
 
CCP has a severe case of attention deficit.  
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News Comments > Evening Crowdfunding Roundup
10. Re: Evening Crowdfunding Roundup May 3, 2014, 00:04 NKD
 
Panickd wrote on May 2, 2014, 22:34:
Seems somewhat strange. How hard could it have been to have weird ass playing cards printed up?

And what, exactly, will this end up costing the Washington taxpayer? More than the $25,000 that was taken? Oh yes, it's an election year. Silly me. I thought this was about the consumers getting fleeced.

The suit is brought by the office of the Attorney General, who is appointed by Gov. Jay Inslee, who isn't up for re-election until 2016. Also, as a resident of WA, I can assure you no one gives a fuck about crowdfunding fraud and it's not really a hot button issue that's going to sway voters 2 years from now.

Whatever the motivation here, just ignoring this kind of activity because it's not profitable to go after it is a pretty fucking stupid position to hold.

I'm a WA state taxpayer, and the portion of my taxes that goes to the Attorney General's office is supposed to be used for stuff like this, so more power to them.
 
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News Comments > ZeniMax vs. Oculus and Carmack on VR Tech
44. Re: ZeniMax vs. Oculus and Carmack on VR Tech May 2, 2014, 02:02 NKD
 
Facebook isn't going to be as easy to bully as Mojang, you litigious cunts.  
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