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News Comments > PAYDAY 2 Microtransactions
7. Re: PAYDAY 2 Microtransactions Oct 16, 2015, 12:01 Flatline
 
Whiskers wrote on Oct 16, 2015, 10:43:
I'm surprised it took them this long to institute this stupid practice. They've been releasing cash grab DLC for quite a while now.

Edit: I was never a fan of their unlocking method either. You'd buy weapon attachments and then have to unlock them through the random card selection at the end of the missions. It was way more enjoyable to install the GoonMod, which let you just buy the attachments you wanted.

ME neither.

Was there ever any mods that actually made your teammate AI a little smarter? I wasn't a big fan of playing the game online but playing it offline is damn near impossible due to how stupid the AI is.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Has 1M Backers; More Get Alpha Access
79. Re: Star Citizen Has 1M Backers; More Get Alpha Access Oct 14, 2015, 15:51 Flatline
 
Ozmodan wrote on Oct 14, 2015, 14:57:
Whatever it was, it was WAY too much spent on the voice actors when there are a ton of out of work actors who would do just as good a job for a lot less money.

This studio is throwing money away on everything, it is like they have no one minding the pocketbook and if someone was fiscally responsible they have long ago left the sinking ship.

Well now to be fair the name recognition voice actors/liknesses were one of the original KS stretch goals and *nobody* bitched back then.

So to bitch about it now is a little disingenuous.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Has 1M Backers; More Get Alpha Access
66. Re: Star Citizen Has 1M Backers; More Get Alpha Access Oct 14, 2015, 14:44 Flatline
 
Kxmode wrote on Oct 14, 2015, 12:56:
JoeNapalm wrote on Oct 14, 2015, 12:32:
So, did you just completely make all of that up, or...?

Yeah, yeah you did. You totally did.

And then calling it "conservative" is a nice touch. Bold. Very bold.

Well of course it's completely made up. That's what "estimated total" implies. Please tell me you know what "estimated" means?

Sorry man estimated usually is based on some experience with reality. That was more like an ass-pull. SC has problems but I don't think a drunken idiot would spend half their budget just on voice talent when they could get better voice talent and name recognition for half the cost.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Has 1M Backers; More Get Alpha Access
65. Re: Star Citizen Has 1M Backers; More Get Alpha Access Oct 14, 2015, 14:39 Flatline
 
Kxmode wrote on Oct 14, 2015, 11:40:
Dreagon wrote on Oct 14, 2015, 11:09:
I wonder how much of that money they're wasting on big actors?

Figure about 4-5 million per A-List actor for 4 months of voice acting and MoCap performance.

- Gary Oldman (5 million)
- Mark Hamill (5 million)
- Mark Strong (5 million)
- Gillian Anderson (4 million)
- Andy Serkis (5 million)

Then about 500k - 2 million for B,C,D-List actors for the same work.

- Sophie Wu (1 million)
- Sandi Gardiner (500k)
- Craig Fairbrass (500k)
- Liam Cunningham (2 million)
- Ben Mendelsohn (2 million)
- Ian Duncan (500k)
- Jack Huston (2 million)
- John Rhys Davies (1 million)
- Rhona Mitra (1.5 million)
- Gemma Whelan (1 million)
- Harry Treadaway (1 million)

Conservative estimated total: $37,000,000


I'm calling bullshit on this man. That is *insanely* over-priced.

Mainstream A-list actors get paid, tops, 2.5 mil for disney level voice talent. Tom hanks made 15 for Toy Story 3 and I think that's the record.

Union rates for voice acting work were, circa 2010, 750 dollars a day. Let's be generous and say 2 weeks of daily sessions, so 40 hours of voice recording. That's 30 grand. For mocap let's get really generous and bump that up by 100 grand. No let's do it 120 grand for 3 months or so of mocap.

So 150 grand for "union" mocap and voice work. Bigger names will ask for bigger salaries, but really I don't see them asking much more than a million for "top tier". Maybe 2. That's over ten times the going rate. And none of the actors on this list except *maybe* Mark Hamill have a very strong career right now.

While a lot was probably spent on the actors, I bet it was less than 10 million combined. Probably *way* less.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
239. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 13, 2015, 20:03 Flatline
 
Tumbler wrote on Oct 13, 2015, 16:45:
That's a really good point, but how is crowdfunding benefiting backers? Based on the project's health I would say crowdfunding hasn't benefited backers.

This is before crowdfunding: Star Citizen Pitch Video

This is with crowdfunding:

I think Angels Fall First is an excellent example of a game like star citizen built on a smaller budget.

If they'd shut down the crowdfunding side of things at the end of 2012 I'm guessing we'd be seeing a game that looks like Angels Fall First. The game they're showing instead I think is a big plus to backers and the crowdfunding dollars are the reason that can happen.

TIL: Chris Roberts looks like he's getting chunky developing Star Citizen.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
235. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 13, 2015, 12:04 Flatline
 
Peeeling wrote on Oct 13, 2015, 09:56:
The point about the combat is particularly relevant.

Making space combat fun is deceptively difficult. Depending on your flight model you end up either in a space-based medieval joust or a zero-g Quake with no map, shooting at bits of HUD because the actual ships are just glittery pixels. It turns out that "Star Wars was super cool!" is not a design.

That's not to say it's impossible. Homeworld, for instance, was a great game.

Homeworld is an rts and not a space combat system. In fact, it seems like your entire post is suggesting that SC should be an RTS. I'm not particularly interested in that idea.

The idea that "star wars is cool" doesn't work doesn't understand the origins of Star Wars ship combat. It was based on WW2 dogfighting. And that *is* fun. It's been fun for 20+ years. And the memory and idea of it was still fun when I backed SC when it was claiming to be a slightly more advanced WW2 style flight control model.

Now it's... something really weird. But Kosumo was right- they went right to the chrome instead of refining gaming systems to make them fun. And that's created some really weird and vestigal gameplay decisions.
 
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News Comments > Evening Metaverse
4. Re: Evening Metaverse Oct 13, 2015, 11:49 Flatline
 
The days of War of the Worlds being broadcast like it was real news is long gone. If done today it'd need trigger warnings and little tickers at the bottom saying "NOT REAL- FICTIONAL- DO NOT PANIC"
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
207. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 12, 2015, 17:17 Flatline
 
Kxmode wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 17:06:
I wasn't one of those. I happened to be one of the few on the forums who didn't want stretch goals past 15 million and I made sure I voiced my concerns and criticisms on every stretch goal surveys they kept posting.

Most of Blues News felt at the time that it was a terribad idea to give control of the scope of the project over to the most rabid fanboys that amount to maybe 5% of the total number of backers. That's where the Space Burrito Hut joke started.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
206. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 12, 2015, 17:13 Flatline
 
LurkerLito wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 17:10:
Personally I stopped caring. If I get it great, if it's amazing, even better. If it fails, I'll be a bit pissed but it was only $35 so no big loss. After the above video I redid my numbers and they turned out a little better assuming the list of the number of employees is accurate. Still it's not that big a difference if they are really spending $3m or more a month now.

Those big name actors are going to be a wildcard honestly. I don't know how much they paid them but I am sure it was very steep. Just standing in a box and reading lines costs a min of $750 + extras (pension plan contributions etc) according to SAG rules, but this one has mocap, travel expenses, room and board if they aren't near the facility, likeness rights fees etc. I'd be surprised if it wasn't at least 6 figures per person.

As far as what was shown, I am not really that impressed especially with the SQ42 trailer even though it did look good. I still think they are underfunded for this game. Given they only showed one star system, they have to build 100 of them. Assuming they only have to build at most 25 unique and then Dragon Age 2 the rest by mirroring and copying assets between the unique ones, it should still take at least a month to make each unique star system. And that is 25 months out minimally (which if their spending is $3m/month right now means a minimum expenditure of $75m).

Even if they pushed out 10-15 systems at first and slowly brought more online I think everyone would be okay with that.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
204. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 12, 2015, 17:07 Flatline
 
Krovven wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 17:02:
Flatline wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 16:43:
Technically you demonstrated a lack of comprehension when you completely got the definition of "ethics" wrong but hey who is counting?

Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. You need to look up the definition yourself if you think I got it completely wrong.


I did. From multiple sources.

You confused morals, which are personal, internal judgment calls, with ethics, which is the study of systems of morality among a population. Ethics are the grander scale morals that communities settle on. To say ethics are an individual, internal decision is wrong. To say morals are an individual, internal decision is more correct.

Edit: The distinction is kind of hazy, but the dividing factor in all like... 7 definitions I looked up is that ethics are more wide scale and not individual in scope.

This comment was edited on Oct 12, 2015, 17:12.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
201. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 12, 2015, 17:02 Flatline
 
Sgt. Rock wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 15:48:
Flatline wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 14:25:
Mark Hamill and Andy Serkis really are the only two actors in that list though that strike me as "voice actors" of any real caliber. I suspect everyone else is gonna phone it in.
They had a 66 day mocap shoot, and if you watch the video pretty much all the A-listers were there getting mocapped.
https://youtu.be/_5sRUYwgWGI?t=1h31m15s

Sure. Mocap means that the animations are done off of actual physical humans. But that's not what I was talking about.

When I mean "phone it in" I mean give the usual bland, uninspiring, cringe-worthy performance that most big actors give when they're in a video game. Voice actors have experience... well... acting through their voice, and that's still what 90% of the performance is.

Let's take Andy Serkis. Imagine if as playing as Gollum in Lord of the Rings he gave a flat voiced, bored, or confused vocal performance. Wouldn't matter what his mocap performance was if his voice was bored as hell and wasn't trying.

I very well could be wrong here. But when you look at shit like Peter Dinklage in Destiny, it still very possible.

In a more relevant example, listen to how *truly* horrible Gary Oldman's "inspiring" speech is in the beginning SQ42 cinema. It's a terrible performance. He's doing it for a paycheck. Or he's confused about this newfangled computer gig.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
198. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 12, 2015, 16:50 Flatline
 
Zor wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 15:24:
Kxmode wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 15:12:
CJ_Parker wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 13:37:
Dude. Every single crowdfunding project from the 2012/2013 era has either been released or is in a much more advanced state of development than Star Citizen.

That's the narration CR has decided to go with. "It's not my fault. The Backers' wanted these things." Backers should be pissed off for being the scapegoat for Chris' failure to deliver on his promises. Instead you drink up that lie and then regurgitate it back out... and proudly I might add. Chris Roberts is literally saying it's YOUR, the backers, fault and you're totally happy with that.

What a crazy world.
They are certainly guilty for offering stretch goals but the crowd funded them. If the crowd shared your opinion, it wouldn't have funded those goals.

Actually you can't prove that. It's impossible at this point to determine if the continued funding during the stretch goal phase was due to people being excited about the expanding scope of the project or due to just wanting to get *in* on the project. You'd basically have to either interview every contributor about their mental state getting into a kickstarter 1+ years ago or have had them fill out a quick questionnaire asking "Are you doing this to further more stretch goals?"

The only thing you can say with certainty is that a small minority of very vocal participants on the CIG website overwhelmingly wanted more stretch goals.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
196. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 12, 2015, 16:43 Flatline
 
Krovven wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 14:34:
Flatline wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 12:16:
Krovven wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 04:49:
That's not what I said is it? I said "fuck YOUR ethics". Did you not understand anything I wrote prior to that? Your ethics are as valuable as your opinion, they are your own and nobody else has to abide by them.

All ethics is, an opinion of how things should be from that individual. A collection of individuals that both agree and disagree make up the laws based on those collection of ethics. Those people, around the world have collectively agreed that nepotism is not illegal, therefor, not wrong.

Did... did you really just argue that if something isn't illegal it's not wrong?

Because I can take that all kinds of interesting places. Cheating on your SO? Not wrong. The mortgage scams that led to the 2008 recession? Not wrong. Intentionally taking money through a corporation when you know you can't possibly deliver and hiding behind the corporation's legal protections? Not wrong. Jacking life-saving medicine up from 17 bucks to 900 dollars a pill? Not wrong.

I could keep going.

By all means keep going. All you've done is demonstrate your lack of comprehension.


Technically you demonstrated a lack of comprehension when you completely got the definition of "ethics" wrong but hey who is counting?
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
194. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 12, 2015, 16:42 Flatline
 
Krovven wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 14:36:
Flatline wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 14:18:
Kxmode wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 13:33:
NasWulf wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 12:58:
I understand why Blue post these articles, he needs to fund the site somehow and threads that have 130+ posts im sure help a lot, but I would rather him or the site just ignore any SC "news" at lest until the controversy dies away (ya right this is SC we are talking about).

That's a fancy way of saying click-bait, and of course you "would rather him or the site just ignore any SC "news" at lest until the controversy dies away". You have to protect your $22,000 investment.

Oh yeah it's that guy. We can only hope he stays away.

So the guy with 22k in the game has less of a voice over the retards around here with 0 dollars in the game?

The level of stupidity never ceases to amaze.

DSmart and Kxmode can keep posting their drivel in SC threads, no reason he can't have his say too.

He didn't want a say in the conversation dude, what he wanted is for *nobody* to have a say.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
155. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 12, 2015, 14:25 Flatline
 
Eh, it was a stretch goal to get higher voice talent for the game I really can't complain. Mark Hamill and Andy Serkis really are the only two actors in that list though that strike me as "voice actors" of any real caliber. I suspect everyone else is gonna phone it in.

And really I'm fine with that. I'm not okay with the idea that any of the "in game" stuff we're seeing is essentially the same shit over and over again. Okay yes the idea that you can EVA out of your ship is cool but I've seen that like half a dozen times now. That's more concerning to me than the voice actors.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
152. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 12, 2015, 14:18 Flatline
 
Kxmode wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 13:33:
NasWulf wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 12:58:
I understand why Blue post these articles, he needs to fund the site somehow and threads that have 130+ posts im sure help a lot, but I would rather him or the site just ignore any SC "news" at lest until the controversy dies away (ya right this is SC we are talking about).

That's a fancy way of saying click-bait, and of course you "would rather him or the site just ignore any SC "news" at lest until the controversy dies away". You have to protect your $22,000 investment.

Oh yeah it's that guy. We can only hope he stays away.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
151. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 12, 2015, 14:15 Flatline
 
NasWulf wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 12:58:
Flatline wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 12:34:
NasWulf wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 09:06:
Blue wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 08:35:
NasWulf wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 08:13:
I just hope blue stops with the click bait sensationalist re-posting of this crap and moves on. Chances are low as i'm sure this gets him good ad revenue.

If you deem "Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed" as clickbait then I can only assume you feel the only way to cover this game fairly is by ignoring it entirely.

Yes ... you know as well as I do that posting anything related to star citizen is going to create dissension within your forms which in turn creates ad revenue for the site. I have supported this site for years and enjoy it very much with it's quick fix for news from around the internet but everytime I see a star citizen News posting it makes me cringe at the vile nature of this community. I try to avoid the forms as much as possible but when it gets over 100 post, its hard not to glance at it and then it's hard not to get worked up at the cynicism and the jadedness of the community.

But that seems to be the norm these days. Would you feel better if Blue put up a trigger warning on all SC stories? Or do you need a safe room with puppies and bubbles and play-doh to insulate you from ideas you don't like?

I understand why Blue post these articles, he needs to fund the site somehow and threads that have 130+ posts im sure help a lot, but I would rather him or the site just ignore any SC "news" at lest until the controversy dies away (ya right this is SC we are talking about). This is a news site, or at least I thought it was.

IDK about you but I come here for News, not mindless drivel. Then again we are talking about you and SC sooooo ...

listen, I understand that you gave 40+ bucks to CIG(?) so you feel entitled to board room expensive reports and all funding expenditures released to the masses, I get that, you want to feel important. I mean you most likely pre-reserved the next DOOM game but yet I don't see any complaints that its taken id 5 years(?) to show anything, or the real con of a game called Destiny ... But hay this is SC we are talking about and you deserve an answer of their use of funds damn it! Golfclap

dont worry about replying, i'll take your advice .. im done anyways, it's obvious by the posts that these boards are mostly 10 people soap opera anyways. peace out

Dude you choose your own level of involvement here nobody is strapping you down and taping your eyes open clockwork orange style forcing you to be here.

Edit: You're also 100% wrong in all your assumptions so the implied insults fall a little flat. But funny shit none the less.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
137. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 12, 2015, 12:34 Flatline
 
NasWulf wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 09:06:
Blue wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 08:35:
NasWulf wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 08:13:
I just hope blue stops with the click bait sensationalist re-posting of this crap and moves on. Chances are low as i'm sure this gets him good ad revenue.

If you deem "Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed" as clickbait then I can only assume you feel the only way to cover this game fairly is by ignoring it entirely.

Yes ... you know as well as I do that posting anything related to star citizen is going to create dissension within your forms which in turn creates ad revenue for the site. I have supported this site for years and enjoy it very much with it's quick fix for news from around the internet but everytime I see a star citizen News posting it makes me cringe at the vile nature of this community. I try to avoid the forms as much as possible but when it gets over 100 post, its hard not to glance at it and then it's hard not to get worked up at the cynicism and the jadedness of the community.


Sounds like you have a willpower problem.

There's a really easy solution. Don't read the comments. Having a personal character flaw and expecting an entire community curtail to your flaw is extremely arrogant.

But that seems to be the norm these days. Would you feel better if Blue put up a trigger warning on all SC stories? Or do you need a safe room with puppies and bubbles and play-doh to insulate you from ideas you don't like?
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
136. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 12, 2015, 12:16 Flatline
 
Krovven wrote on Oct 12, 2015, 04:49:
That's not what I said is it? I said "fuck YOUR ethics". Did you not understand anything I wrote prior to that? Your ethics are as valuable as your opinion, they are your own and nobody else has to abide by them.

All ethics is, an opinion of how things should be from that individual. A collection of individuals that both agree and disagree make up the laws based on those collection of ethics. Those people, around the world have collectively agreed that nepotism is not illegal, therefor, not wrong.

Did... did you really just argue that if something isn't illegal it's not wrong?

Because I can take that all kinds of interesting places. Cheating on your SO? Not wrong. The mortgage scams that led to the 2008 recession? Not wrong. Intentionally taking money through a corporation when you know you can't possibly deliver and hiding behind the corporation's legal protections? Not wrong. Jacking life-saving medicine up from 17 bucks to 900 dollars a pill? Not wrong.

I could keep going.
 
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News Comments > Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed
48. Re: Star Citizen Star Cast Revealed Oct 11, 2015, 19:38 Flatline
 
Also that saitek controller looked like ass.

How much do you think the full saitek control pod is going to run? 500? A cool grand? And it still probably will be inferior to mouse and keyboard.
 
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