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News Comments > Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned
145. Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned Mar 22, 2012, 20:48 Draugr
 
Sepharo wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 20:25:
Misunderstandings extravaganza!

I'll bring the fodder!
 
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News Comments > Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned
135. Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned Mar 22, 2012, 18:12 Draugr
 
finga wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 17:36:
Seems reasonable that this is what future sequels would cover. Let that writing happen then rather than now. One thing that the developers have never wavered on is that the first three games is Shepard's story, and it ends in ME3 (and presumably the DLC).

We saw plenty of choice and consequence in ME3. No, we don't see what happens 20 years down the road; why, was that really necessary?

"Executive producer Casey Hudson says that the events witnessed in Mass Effect 3 is as far as he wishes to go.
While not yet sure what the franchise will tackle next, “whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after,” he says."

So while it may seem reasonable, your assumption was wrong, though this may have changed due to the situation. This is one of the reasons people are interested in more closure.

Furthermore, any DLC or whatever they do to 'change' the ending, you don't need to participate in. Things can stay just the way you'd like them to! So you can have it the way you want it, and then others can have it the way they want it. (Though as you said previously, there is no pleasing everybody.) At least that sounds more in line with what they promised.
 
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News Comments > Modern Warfare 3 Double XP Weekend & PC Apology
25. Re: Modern Warfare 3 Double XP Weekend & PC Apology Mar 22, 2012, 16:11 Draugr
 
Beamer wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 12:26:
ChopperDan wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 12:23:
How about Elite? Or DLC? Apologies only go so far...
How about adding infected to the community playlist?
Argh...

PC gets Elite for free, I believe has been getting patches first (which makes sense), and gets DLC around the same time as PS3, right?

PC gets 'Elite' for free because everything they can charge you for with elite is already something that can be done on PC free of charge.

Well partly that, mostly because they don't give a shit about them.
 
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News Comments > Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned
131. Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned Mar 22, 2012, 15:58 Draugr
 
Verno wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 08:46:
Commissioned or otherwise. If they want to 'change' it, so be it. Shit, George Lucas can't STOP changing things about his movies.
Personally, I think any changes they end up make will be minor, maybe some epilogue cards ala BGTOB, or DAO. Of course, that's just a guess.

All they had to do was not introduce bizarre characters in the last 5 minutes along with a text wrap up for your companions a la Dragon Age. That wouldn't have been what they said it was going to be pre-release but at least it would been satisfying enough for most people.

I'm still frustrated that they are basically going to sell the complete ending to the game and get away with it because of how invested people are in the series. But I can't force people to be more sensible with their money in this case anymore than I can stop from buying idiotic $25 WoW mounts and other nonsense. Gamers

I think you're spot on, people would still be disappointed, but not on the level they are.
 
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News Comments > Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned
111. Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned Mar 22, 2012, 05:31 Draugr
 
Jerykk wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 03:49:
Yowzers, you're totally missing the issue here, finga. Mass Effect is supposed to be an RPG series with a heavy emphasis on choice and consequence. Many of the choices you can make throughout the series have potentially significant long-term consequences (curing the genophage, saving the Rachni queen, giving the Geth individuality, etc). As the supposedly final game in the series, ME3's ending should have shown or at least described the long-term consequences of such choices. Given the fact that you spend most of your time in the series trying to save the universe, the ending should have shown the fates of your companions and their respective races as well. This is what other RPGs like Fallout and Dragon Age Origins did and nobody had any issues with those endings. Why? Because they provided satisfying closure. You made choices throughout the game and saw the long-term impact of those choices at the end. That's how all RPGs should work.

ME3's lack of closure is even more disappointing because of the scope of the series. ME is the first series to offer persistent choice and consequence across multiple games. The first two games were pretty lacking in the consequence department, so naturally players expected things to be fully resolved in the final game. That was not the case and thus, people were disappointed. That doesn't make them unreasonable, it just makes them rational.

Well said -- And once again, Finga follows up with more ad hominem attacks saying anyone disagreeing with him is throwing a temper-tantrum, or they aren't mentally unstable.
Saying something as silly as, "It's unprecedented from the perspective of art." Is just wrong. Everyone can think of examples where test screenings of a movie resulted in the ending, or something else being changed, due to response. We all know retconning is something that happens in many series. Just as they don't NEED to change it because people complain, there is no rule saying they can't, there are plenty of examples of people changing art for various reasons, Commissioned or otherwise. If they want to 'change' it, so be it. Shit, George Lucas can't STOP changing things about his movies.
Personally, I think any changes they end up make will be minor, maybe some epilogue cards ala BGTOB, or DAO. Of course, that's just a guess.
 
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News Comments > Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned
108. Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned Mar 22, 2012, 03:35 Draugr
 
finga wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 02:09:

Are you trying to suggest that people haven't gotten mad at TV, movie, or book endings? Because I can assure you they did, and they made it through without throwing weeks-long temper tantrums on the internet and organizing to demand changes. (Changes that, by the way, no one would be happy with anyway.)

I'm trying to suggest that comparing these mediums isn't fair. The analogy didn't hold water, that's why I introduced a new analogy that made more sense.

I didn't mean to imply that other mediums are devoid of people complaining about things not resolving the way they expected, I don't know what lead you to that conclusion. Changing things for X Y or Z reason certainly isn't against the rules of mediums like TV and movies, just look at things like, Blade Runner, Army of Darkness, Final Destination. The list can go on, these are just three of the examples I could think of.

I didn't really like the last ten minutes, either. But ME3 is full of endings, most of which didn't happen in those last ten minutes, and they are very satisfying and mostly prove to be quite dependent on your choices.

Obviously, I disagree, and apparently so do enough people for Bioware to at least imply something may come of all those complaints. What Bioware promised and what they delivered were not the same thing.

Either way, I'm an adult that can handle the crushing disappointment and loss of a video game, even one in a series I love, not ending quite the way I wanted. Can you?

It's easier to dismiss those you disagree with by pretending they are all petulant children, isn't it? Sadly for you, I'd like to point out that ad hominem attacks about ones age or maturity does nothing to validate your opinion, or invalidate the opinions of those you disagree with, for that matter.

We get it, you didn't like the ending either but you don't think its worth complaining about.
Did you have a point you were trying to make beyond that or were you just coming into the thread throwing a temper tantrum because people have differing opinions than your own?

On a side note: This whole 'Be satisfied with your Shit Sandwich' I see so many fanboys take is part of the reason why they feel completely comfortable cutting crap out of a game and then serving it up to you separately for more money, or any of the other ways they try to nickel and dime you. People complain, then you get some champion of the publisher up there, "YEAH THIS SUCKS, I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I'M DRINKING THE KOOLAID BUYING IT ANYWAY."
 
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News Comments > Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned
103. Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned Mar 22, 2012, 01:57 Draugr
 
Sepharo wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 01:46:
Draugr wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 01:44:
Bhruic wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 00:39:
I wonder, if you kill the queen in 1, do rachni reapers cease to be in game? Or is it just explained as 'oh, there was another rachni queen hiding somewhere'? It all feels so trite, pointless and inconsequential...

They "cloned" the queen. So if you killed the queen, you do the exact same thing, go down and fight through to see her. The only difference is if you accept her offer to help, at a point down the line, she backstabs you, pulls her workers out, and does some damage on the way.

Only real effect is a negative to your rating. Which almost certainly won't matter.

It did not go down like that for me in my game, I didn't kill the queen in ME1 though, so that's the obvious difference there.

It's still lame, though.

Uh it did for everyone... Unless the wiki is wrong. Care to explain what happened in yours?


I suppose it's possible I totally missed the scene where they betrayed me. THe most I ever heard of them is I asked hackett about their status and they were working and making people uncomfortable, but helping out...

I'll need to hop on my save and look at the asset and see what it says.

The wiki for me3 is sparse.

Up until a few days ago the Anderson article on the wiki basically would lead you to believe that him dying is a static event in regards to when it occurs.
 
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News Comments > Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned
101. Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned Mar 22, 2012, 01:44 Draugr
 
Bhruic wrote on Mar 22, 2012, 00:39:
I wonder, if you kill the queen in 1, do rachni reapers cease to be in game? Or is it just explained as 'oh, there was another rachni queen hiding somewhere'? It all feels so trite, pointless and inconsequential...

They "cloned" the queen. So if you killed the queen, you do the exact same thing, go down and fight through to see her. The only difference is if you accept her offer to help, at a point down the line, she backstabs you, pulls her workers out, and does some damage on the way.

Only real effect is a negative to your rating. Which almost certainly won't matter.

It did not go down like that for me in my game, I didn't kill the queen in ME1 though, so that's the obvious difference there.

It's still lame though, all things considered. making us choose again is just silly.
 
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News Comments > Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned
98. Re: Mass Effect 3 Ending Changes Planned Mar 21, 2012, 23:54 Draugr
 
finga wrote on Mar 21, 2012, 23:02:
Well, now that we're doing this, I'll be writing George R.R. Martin asking him to change A Song of Ice and Fire so that my favorite character doesn't die. Also, I'll need HBO to go back and re-cut all the show scenes to match. And quickly, too!

when George R.R. Martin makes a 'choose your own adventure book' with identical endings, where you get to go to the same page regardless of your choice, (despite him telling us our choices matter.) your analogy will make sense.
 
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News Comments > BioWare "Considering" Mass Effect 3 Ending Feedback
110. Re: BioWare Mar 20, 2012, 18:44 Draugr
 
Creston wrote on Mar 20, 2012, 18:04:
Draugr wrote on Mar 20, 2012, 15:07:
Creston wrote on Mar 20, 2012, 10:48:
You don't get that until 4000. The weird thing is, though, it seems that from 4000-5000, Anderson doesn't die, but if you've over 5000, he DOES die.
Creston

As I understand it, Anderson dies regardless. EMS just determines when in the ending he dies.

Ah, I see. I guess with 5000 he crawls up back up, then dies beside you, whereas lower maybe he dies when the IM has you shoot him?

Hmmm. If I wasn't so disgusted with the endings, I'd try it out just for fun.

Creston

Or the IM executes him, something like that yeah. As you were saying though, if the ending wasn't so terrible then I'd feel motivated to check and see.
 
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News Comments > BioWare "Considering" Mass Effect 3 Ending Feedback
108. Re: BioWare Mar 20, 2012, 15:07 Draugr
 
Creston wrote on Mar 20, 2012, 10:48:
You don't get that until 4000. The weird thing is, though, it seems that from 4000-5000, Anderson doesn't die, but if you've over 5000, he DOES die.
Creston

As I understand it, Anderson dies regardless. EMS just determines when in the ending he dies.
 
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News Comments > BioWare "Considering" Mass Effect 3 Ending Feedback
92. Re: The ending is fine... Mar 19, 2012, 23:28 Draugr
 
briktal wrote on Mar 19, 2012, 21:29:
In the Final Hours app they said “whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after."

Which doesn't need to intertwine with Shepard's story. For example, There could be a DLC where Aria retakes Omega. Shepard's not involved in this.

This is also something they said before the 'shit hit the fan,' now they are saying stuff like, "considering your feedback and have not made a decision regarding requests to change the ending."

Needless to say, it at least seems likely their post-game plans were disrupted in some fashion, and the content that follows may, or may not, be influenced by that.
 
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News Comments > Dragon Age Entering "Next Phase"
22. Re: Dragon Age Entering Mar 19, 2012, 22:21 Draugr
 
Creston wrote on Mar 19, 2012, 22:17:
Hey, look. EAware doesn't want people to keep complaining about the Mass Effect endings, so here's another distraction! And one in which they promise to listen to the fans, no less.

They are running the Marketing 101 playbook step by step.

Creston

This.
 
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News Comments > BioWare "Considering" Mass Effect 3 Ending Feedback
81. Re: The ending is fine... Mar 19, 2012, 19:10 Draugr
 
JohnBirshire wrote on Mar 19, 2012, 18:39:

Spoken like someone who hasn't played any of the games.


Actually, I did play all the games. But unlike most of the people that are complaining about how it ended, I don't want to play Mass Effect 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 191, 2,147, 203,474, etc, with it being the same thing over and over again milked for all it's worth.

It was a great trilogy, it was wrapped up, now we move onto the next.

I think you are making two mistakes, the first being they plan and planned on releasing more Mass effect games after initial trilogy. They just won't be directly related to the Shepard story line. Just recently there was a story on gaming sites talking about how the MP in ME3 was actually going to be a standalone FPS multi-player game in the ME universe, set to come out after ME3. Eventually it got scrapped and its remnants thrown into ME3. This is a perfect example.

No one is asking for Shepard's story to be never-ending, (Perhaps some want this, but it's presumptuous to assume all want this) what they are asking for a satisfying conclusion to the story.

You're almost arguing against something no one is arguing for, and has already been decided by EA anyway. People are arguing that the ending sucks, not that the games shouldn't end.
You'll be getting more Mass Effect games whether they are wanted or not. Just like they said before ME3 though, They will probably be unrelated to Shepard's story-line. They actually said they WONT be related to Shepard's storyline, but considering this situation and how they decide to handle it it's possible that could change with some DLC or something.
 
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News Comments > Beamdog on Possible Baldur's Gate III Kickstart
34. Re: Beamdog on Possible Baldur's Gate III Kickstart Mar 19, 2012, 14:55 Draugr
 
Techie714 © wrote on Mar 19, 2012, 10:44:
DnD Ruleset

3.5 > 4.0

That's right!! I said it!

Safest comment ever.
 
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News Comments > Baldur's Gate Countdown to Tomorrow
16. Re: Baldur's Gate Countdown to Tomorrow Mar 15, 2012, 00:33 Draugr
 
ASeven wrote on Mar 15, 2012, 00:30:
Some rumors mention this might be a Kickstarter for BGIII but more than likely it's just a HD remake.

That'd be awesome, But yeah, Fairly sure it will be something unremarkable.
 
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News Comments > Mass Effect 3 Leaked
57. Re: Mass Effect 3 Leaked Mar 5, 2012, 15:49 Draugr
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Mar 5, 2012, 15:35:
Dev wrote on Mar 5, 2012, 11:48:
Maybe they should focus a teeny tiny bit more on console piracy.
EA Drone: There is no piracy on consoles.

More like MS's and Sony's line. EA is willing to drink the kool-aid, though.
 
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News Comments > Legend of Grimrock in April
7. Re: Legend of Grimrock in April Mar 2, 2012, 19:08 Draugr
 
I'm a little sad it will only be about 10 hours.

Not that I'm saying it's inadequate, but this is such a rare type of game now that I'm almost certain it won't feel like enough by the time I'm done.
 
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News Comments > Unreal Engine 4 at GDC
14. Re: Unreal Engine 4 at GDC Feb 28, 2012, 02:18 Draugr
 
Kitkoan wrote on Feb 28, 2012, 00:40:
Dev wrote on Feb 28, 2012, 00:04:
Kitkoan wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 23:29:
Well if the Unreal Engine 3.5 demo of Samaritan is any indication, it could be quite the thing to see.
The most impressive thing is that that is NOT a pre-rendered cut scene. It was rendered in REAL TIME.


Only problem is good luck seeing any game running something like that. The demo ran a very large rig (I think I heard rumors it was done on a triple SLI GTX 560's (technically "off-the-shelf" like they claim, but who has that kinda power?) and it also ran at a speed of 2.5 teraflop, which is beyond what the XBox 720 is supposed to be able to do even (read more here).

A game like this would need a nice budget from a big company and they won't make a game that won't run on any console. So until they can fine tune the code to support the XBox 720/PS4 to make a game like this run on those, keep waiting. (I think it will take 2-3 years after release of those consoles at least until you start seeing this)

It was 2 or 3 580's

They also said though that if they went about optimizing the engine that they could have it running on a single 580. Still quite the bar for entry, but not as daunting horsepower-wise as some suspected.
 
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News Comments > Mass Effect 3 = 40 Hours
31. Re: Mass Effect 3 = 40 Hours Feb 27, 2012, 19:02 Draugr
 
Slashman wrote on Feb 27, 2012, 18:04:
I dunno. I don't think ME3 is worth $60. I'm not going to argue that it may be worth $50, but there aren't many games I'd pay $60 for. Skyrim is one of them based on the number of hours of game I get and the fact that its a fun game whose potential is multiplied 100-fold by mods alone.

I don't think either of them are worth 60 bucks, to me they just appear to have similar value. Just as I did with Skyrim, I'll hold off until its a little cheaper. I bought Skyrim at 40 bucks, iIrc. I'll probably do the same with Mass Effect 3.
 
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