Dev wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 21:59:
The GAAP info shows that EA had $221 million profit instead of a loss, wonder why the huge difference.

Quboid wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 12:02:
Wait, do console gamers bitch and moan about how PC gamers get better versions and how they're stuck being second class citizens?

eunichron wrote on Jul 25, 2011, 19:13:
Of course in the entire history of gaming alphas and betas have always been indicative of the final versions of games.


If you didn't catch it, that was extreme sarcasm.

Krovven wrote on Jul 21, 2011, 20:26:

Teddy wrote on Jul 21, 2011, 19:57:
I say where is the official notification of it? ...

Deal with it.

It was released, quietly or not, it's out. So instead of screaming like a child about them lying about it ever being released, you are going to do the same, but this time because they didn't knock on your front door, hold your hand while you went on the internet and showed you where it is.

You'd look like less of a douche if you just admitted you were wrong, and move along.

Edit: They had also mentioned the imminent release of the mod tools on May 26 in the Black Ops patch notes. It's not up to the world to inform you every time something is released.
I would think that if you were that interested, you would be following modding websites and would have heard by now...or at the very least do a Google search before running your mouth, considering there is plenty of information out there about it.

Krovven wrote on Jul 21, 2011, 16:58:

Teddy wrote on Jul 21, 2011, 16:13:
Any goodwill they earned from me for all that was destroyed when they lied about the map and mod tools they told us they were going to release.

https://twitter.com/#!/pcdev/status/83685461264039936

http://codbomp.blogspot.com/2011/07/black-ops-mod-tools-download-beta.html

Just because you missed it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

What do you have to say now?

Krovven wrote on Jul 21, 2011, 14:02:

Bhruic wrote on Jul 21, 2011, 13:34:
You think Activision even remembers they are making a PC version? You're quite the optimist.

If Black Ops is anything to go by, MW3 should have full Steam integration, Steam's server browser, achieves, etc. This was one of a few things that sold me on Black ops when they had the free weekend a couple months back.

So it's more about if those left at Infinity Ward learned anything from Treyarch.

I still won't get MW3 until it's hugely discounted (if at all). BF3 is still top priority for me.

StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 19, 2011, 14:34:
You call me stupid ...

Teddy wrote on Jul 19, 2011, 13:40:
You don't strike me as stupid...

Cutter wrote on Jul 19, 2011, 17:22:
Oh give me a break and unknot your panties, girls. We all know that most grunts in any aspect of the military aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. And since Buscho lowered the requirements for recruitment on everything from IQ to criminal records its gotten even worse. I wouldn't trust most of those yo-yos with a pack of matches, much less access to automatic weapons and heavy ordinance. The multitudes of dead civilians around the world can attest to that fact. Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade.

StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 19, 2011, 13:19:
I know that WoW, Starcraft 2 and Minecraft are the most successful PC games of the last couple years and none of them were on Steam.

Your latter argument cuts right to the point of your opinion. You seem to think that people use steam out of some misguided sense of loyalty, like we're all hapless fools who don't know what's best for ourselves.

I never said anything like that... where the hell did you pull that from?

"Valve, Blizzard, EA... all of them are doing this for the money, none of them are your friends."

It's hard enough to craft bots that can simply shoot and move -- let alone flank, deliver suppressing fire, and do other things that take high school dropouts years of Marine training to learn.

StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 19, 2011, 03:01:
Yeah but you're missing the whole point. Valve take 30-40% of the price when they make a Steam sale. When Blizzard sells Starcraft 2 on battle.net they get 100% of the price. When EA sell Battlefield 3 on Origin they get 100% of the price. More to the point in this exact storyline, when they sell DLC through the game itself they get 100% of THAT money.

In other words losing a small percentage of sales from the people who really do refuse to buy anywhere but Steam is made up for by all the people who would have bought it on Steam who are now going to buy it on battle.net, or whatever. Then they get all the DLC money too. It's a win-win.

Like I said in another thread on this same subject a while back I see nothing wrong with someone making a game and selling it directly on their website. The consumer and seller have a direct relationship and no middle-man gets in the way or takes any of the profits. I always try to buy indie games on the developer's website when possible for this reason. What EA is doing is the same thing, just on a larger scale. They're not even doing that actually since they still sell the games themselves elsewhere, they just want you to buy from Origin and want to sell the DLC themselves... any why not? You would want the same thing if you ran EA.

More to the point Valve do EXACTLY the same thing. They only sell their games digitally on Steam and they have their own in-game shops. Valve, Blizzard, EA... all of them are doing this for the money, none of them are your friends. None of them care about losing some customers if it means more profit from the other ones. All of them are trying to leverage the download market to get the most profit...

StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 23:07:
Again, this idea that a PC game of Battlefield's stature needs Steam is so ridiculous. Starcraft 2, dude... Starcraft 2.

StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 19, 2011, 00:33:
A lot of the people saying they won't buy it now are talking out of their ass, of course. As for the rest EA will likely make them up by making 100% of the money for each Origin sale compared to 60% or whatever through Steam.

StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 14:06:
The funny part of this story on Eurogamer was that they acted like all the GR games were console ports. In actuality of course the original game and expansions were PC games ported to consoles and the GRAW games, still the most recent releases, had unique and exclusive PC versions.

In any event, free-to-play online games are not what I want, PC exclusive or not.

yuastnav wrote on Jul 16, 2011, 04:57:

Teddy wrote on Jul 16, 2011, 00:29:
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So you want to talk about Dungeons & Dragons without even mentioning Jack Vance? Good sir, you just lost all credibility.

Doombringer wrote on Jul 15, 2011, 23:54:

Teddy wrote on Jul 15, 2011, 22:08:
http://classic.battle.net/war3/undead/units/deathknight.shtml

Care to try that again? The Death Knight class came from the Death Knight hero class in Warcraft 3, which vastly predates anything Age of Conan did.

Dislike a game if you want, dislike a company if you want, but you really should draw the line at libel. It doesn't take more than a handful of seconds to actually look something up, try it once and a while and you won't look so stupid.

I agree with you, but I had to laugh when you pointed to Warcraft 3 as being the source of an original idea. I'm a huge fan of Blizzard, but damn, they cribbed a LOT from Games Workshop.

OldScho0l wrote on Jul 15, 2011, 16:40:
Blizz didn't actually invent many of the things in WOW. Any time a new MMO comes out, Blizz goes and rapes them of all their best ideas and adds them to WOW. I've witnessed this happen with many new mmo's. Blizzard is a thieving pos. My favorite example is the Sadist Class from Age of Conan. The Death Knight class in WOW came from the Dark Templar in Conan (Healing via damage). Much of the UI in wow today originated in Warhammer online.