SpectralMeat wrote on May 22, 2013, 13:26:
I think you guys are making way too many conclusions on details that are just pieced together from bits and pieces of info.
Wait until the damn thing is on shelves and judge it then.

Redmask wrote on May 21, 2013, 20:49:
All of the downsides of Steam without any of the benefits. The other day I gave my brother a PS3 game I didn't want anymore, with the new Shitbox One he would need to pay $60 to play it or keep me permanently logged into his console. It's a wonderful future Microsoft is proposing - rent your games but pay full price, pay for Xbox Live, pay for a cable sub to make their TV crap work and pay more for whatever else they dream up next while they ram ads down your throat.

No thanks, PS4 it is.

Flatline wrote on May 21, 2013, 20:18:

ASeven wrote on May 21, 2013, 20:10:

Redmask wrote on May 21, 2013, 19:49:

Xbox One instantly boots from a rest state.

Glad that the consoles have finally discovered S3 Sleep.

My favorite bit so far was hearing the Giantbomb guys talk about how the audience and press were dumbfounded and that the only people clapping were MS employees in the back.

MS really, really dropped the ball on this one. With Win8 doing abysmally and now this I wouldn't be surprised if real harsh financial times will be the future of MS in the mid-term.

Xbox One may become the disappointment of the decade. Always online, blocking used sales? WTF were they thinking?? No wonder EA dropped the online pass thing to pretend to be the good guys.

No they didn't. They're going to drop a fortune on exclusive games to ram this into the market and get people accustomed to it. And people will buy it in droves.

Lorcin wrote on May 21, 2013, 18:40:
And for all the big talk of one media center? 500gb HDD

Beamer wrote on May 21, 2013, 18:19:

Creston wrote on May 21, 2013, 18:16:
So other than showing an actual box, MS announced basically nothing Sony didn't, yet they were crowing and laughing at Sony for their "poor showing."

Staying classy as always: Microsoft.

They might as well have called it the Yawnbox where my interest is concerned. Oooh, Kinect is coming back!

Creston

Microsoft has the ability to replace the cable box,

Cutter wrote on May 21, 2013, 16:41:

zombiefan wrote on May 21, 2013, 14:52:
I REALLY wish electronic manufacturers would stop trying to pile everything and the kitchen sink into their appliance. Especially when they haven't perfected the core reason you're buying it in the first place: to play games.

Agreed. It's like Molyneux said, there are already a million other devices that do all that stuff a million times better, I want a game console for games and games alone. I was unlikely to buy another console anyway but this has definitely confirmed I won't.

Flatline wrote on May 21, 2013, 16:32:

Yosemite Sam wrote on May 21, 2013, 16:30:
Well watched the whole thing and my first impression seems correct. Microsoft innovated for non-gamers, odd for a game machine, seems the only thing Microsoft did for gamers was buy exclusives. From a purely video game standpoint, the PS4 looks to be the clear winner.

It's not that weird: MS has been saying since pre-360 that it wants to dominate the living room as a one-stop-shop for multimedia. This move has been telegraphed for nearly 10 years.

PropheT wrote on May 21, 2013, 16:29:
I like my consoles. I mostly like my consoles because of the games they offer that I don't get on my PC, though, and this system seems to be putting games as secondary and touting the media center experience. I have that on my current consoles. I have that on my PC. So what does this offer that I don't already have?

I've been trying to think of just what it is about this system announcement that bothers me and was having trouble putting my finger on it until I asked what it was really offering.

It seems to just be offering more of the the worst things about the current console generation. I have little to no interest in Kinect or what it has to offer. I have even less interest in a more draconian licensing scheme that means I can't move games from one system to another in my own house, or share them with my son so he can take them with him to his Xbox and back (WTF is the point of cloud integration when you can't share the games between systems?). I simply cannot see them getting rid of Xbox Live subscriptions. I also can't see them stopping the shithead process they've mastered of spending money on forced exclusives for their system.

I already have the things they're touting here, but to get the latest version of it I have to buy into their shitty DRM scheme that sounds like something EA came up with. Why would I want this thing? What's more, why would I want it when there's no sign that their competitor is forcing these same kinds of restrictions on me?

Rattlehead wrote on May 21, 2013, 18:24:
Hopefully this will go the way of the dreamcast and microsoft will slowly fade out of making consoles.

ItBurn wrote on May 21, 2013, 16:11:
It definitely feels like "same old same old" as far as a consoles go, but the 8 gigs of ram is great! This means that we'll finally get console ports on PCs that take advantage of the ram. In my opinion, ram was the biggest problem, severily limiting gameplay possibilities and detail.
I see it has 8 cores. I doubt games will use that many, or at least, efficiently. And CPU has never been the bottleneck. GPU is where it's at. Do we have any info on the GPU? From all the "ingame" stuff we've seen, it doesn't seem too powerful, maybe like a 300-400$ video card.
By the way, I'm going to say that they pulled a Killzone 2 with EA's "ingame" sports games trailer...