Flatline wrote on May 22, 2013, 20:15:
I gotta start charging a nickle for every time someone predicts MS is going down the toilet. I wouldn't have to work any more.

avianflu wrote on May 22, 2013, 09:23:
Folks, SONY will do some variation of this DRM stuff. How can you think otherwise?

SONY has doubled-back a few times now, so believe what comes out of SONY's PR staff at your own peril.

ASeven wrote on May 22, 2013, 09:12:
The reason this will fail will be mainly one and only one, the blocking of used games. No matter how sheep and stupid gamers are, I think this is the line they will not cross.

jdreyer wrote on May 22, 2013, 15:16:

Steam has some pretty significant differences with XBox 1.

Steam will let you play offline, indefinitely. Xbox will not.

Yes, your Steam games are tied to your account, which sucks, but since that game likely cost you $5 or $10, do you really care that much? Xbox games take a long time to come down in price, and they never see prices as low as Steam. Example: BL2 was $12 this past weekend on Steam. That was released 6 months ago, and made many GotY honors. XBox version still $40

Steam games can be played at full resolution. You get to choose hardware, settings, etc. Xbox games are limited to whatever the devs decide3.

Verno wrote on May 22, 2013, 15:13:

Creston wrote on May 22, 2013, 15:02:
The cable companies have already begun grumbling about this, so yeah, that'll be quite an interesting battle to see.

I didn't look into specifics for it, but the NFL deal strikes me as curious as well. DirecTV pays an awful lot of money for Sunday Ticket exclusivity. If suddenly the Orthbox can start showing NFL games, I imagine DirecTV is going to start hammering on the Ginger Moron's door with a fucking SLEW of lawyers in tow.

You still need DirecTV for it to work. You basically plug your output from the cable box/ONT/whatever into your Xbox, it will have both HDMI in and outputs. It's basically like a glorified GoogleTV with some shitty voice controls. Apparently it has no actual DVR capability which is annoying considering Microsoft owns Media Center. The only actual content they are offering is some dumb live action Halo series.

I don't think the cable companies are going to like this very much though as the next step from a box that sits in the middle is a box that tries to replace theirs. A lot of them are heavily into on-demand services now as well and I can see them making life for MS difficult since they offer the same things on Live.

SpectralMeat wrote on May 22, 2013, 14:00:
I bet you most people that wanted to buy the new console have no clue what DRM is or how that will affect them.

SpectralMeat wrote on May 22, 2013, 13:26:
I think you guys are making way too many conclusions on details that are just pieced together from bits and pieces of info.
Wait until the damn thing is on shelves and judge it then.

Redmask wrote on May 21, 2013, 20:49:
All of the downsides of Steam without any of the benefits. The other day I gave my brother a PS3 game I didn't want anymore, with the new Shitbox One he would need to pay $60 to play it or keep me permanently logged into his console. It's a wonderful future Microsoft is proposing - rent your games but pay full price, pay for Xbox Live, pay for a cable sub to make their TV crap work and pay more for whatever else they dream up next while they ram ads down your throat.

No thanks, PS4 it is.

Flatline wrote on May 21, 2013, 20:18:

ASeven wrote on May 21, 2013, 20:10:

Redmask wrote on May 21, 2013, 19:49:

Xbox One instantly boots from a rest state.

Glad that the consoles have finally discovered S3 Sleep.

My favorite bit so far was hearing the Giantbomb guys talk about how the audience and press were dumbfounded and that the only people clapping were MS employees in the back.

MS really, really dropped the ball on this one. With Win8 doing abysmally and now this I wouldn't be surprised if real harsh financial times will be the future of MS in the mid-term.

Xbox One may become the disappointment of the decade. Always online, blocking used sales? WTF were they thinking?? No wonder EA dropped the online pass thing to pretend to be the good guys.

No they didn't. They're going to drop a fortune on exclusive games to ram this into the market and get people accustomed to it. And people will buy it in droves.