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News Comments > etc.
4. Re: etc. Oct 27, 2014, 13:52 Prez
 
It. Is. About. Ethics. Newsweek spun the data to suit their narrative.

Posting this AGAIN.


Kelly Rued · Founder and Creative Director at Black Love Interactive LLC
Having worked with social media and web analytics for several years, I'm a little underwhelmed with your data analysis. Hopefully the report you got from Brandwatch was much more detailed than the summary in this article.

Why is there no timeline to contextualize the relationship of gamergate tweets to media coverage of these people/brands? For example, I would expect discussions of Brianna Wu to spike following her press junket where she alleged her harassers were representative members of gamergate. Since those allegations portrayed the entire movement as hateful harassers, they led to intense discussion of Wu among the thousands of innocent gamers she implicated as a hate group. If analyzing social media mentions for a business client, I'm sure Brandwatch would correlate the data to media campaigns and press mentions in other channels to give some idea of what events triggered these conversations. Without context, it's much harder to understand or speculate why some people were discussed more than others.

People like Grayson and Totilo did not do mainstream press interviews accusing gamergate of being a terrorist/hate group attacking women in games. Maybe that's why they did not generate nearly as much discussion as some of the developers you had Brandwatch look for (we can't really speculate though because you have not presented enough data to make a reasonable claim either way).

Had you really been interested in measuring gamergate's mentions of games press, you might have filtered for Arthur Chu, Ben Kuchera, Sam Biddle, Polygon, Gawker, etc. than a relative unknown like Grayson.

Also you could have filtered for relevant male game developers, like Phil Fish, or filtered for mentions of more famous and influential women developers (Robin Hunicke, Kim Swift, Brenda Romero, Sheri Graner Ray, etc.) who have not publicly accused gamergate of misogyny, harassment, and death threats (which is not to suggest these other women in games don't also feel that gamergate is a hate group, but just that they have not engaged gamergate on Twitter the way Zoe Quinn, Brianna Wu, Anita Sarkeesian, and Leigh Alexander have). Instead you only filtered for women in the games industry who have been very vocal in their condemnations of gamergate. If gamergate was specifically mentioning women developers mainly because they are women, then we would surely see more famous and influential women developers receiving as much or more gamergate mentions than a relative unknown like Zoe Quinn.

According to Kathy Sierra's Koolaid Point theory, the more famous and influential a woman is, the more she will attract misogynistic harassment and hate so surely we could draw some conclusions about gamergate from analyzing how they often gamergate mentions a few industry-leading, award-winning women developers, some with decades in the business and dozens of published titles. It would at least help us speculate how much of gamergate mentioning women developers is based on a woman simply existing in the game industry, and how much might be related to women condemning and antagonizing gamergaters.

I also wonder if your data is accurate because the brevity of tweets encourages shortened names and gamergaters often use nicknames including cryptic acronyms like ZQ and LW (there are so many snarky terms referring to Zoe Quinn that her mentions may have been much higher than reported here). But from the data presented, who knows.

So yeah, you've got a couple of bar graphs, some aggregate mentions, uncontextualized sentiment analysis, and they're tied neatly together with foregone conclusions. Maybe consider contacting a social scientist instead of relying on a brand monitoring company to correctly analyze a consumer revolt.
 
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45. Re: etc. Oct 27, 2014, 13:29 Prez
 
Leigh Alexander directly provoked and attacked the movement - of course they are going to talk about her. And she has done some pretty unethical stuff, so I disagree with you about her there too. She is a despicable shit really. Her deleted tweets say a whole lot about her lack of character and integrity.  
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41. Re: etc. Oct 27, 2014, 10:34 Prez
 
People keep pointing out that pro-GG isn't talking about ethics but honestly, how can they when they are constantly required to debunk the deliberate misrepresentation of their cause over and over again. Admittedly any large movement starts to resemble a multi-headed beast once it becomes large enough, but from what I've seen GG people have done a respectable job of staying on message when they aren't being attacked by activists with a vested interest in branding them as all sorts of horrible things.  
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
17. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 27, 2014, 07:02 Prez
 
Agent.X7 wrote on Oct 27, 2014, 01:36:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 26, 2014, 15:07:
Agent.X7 wrote on Oct 26, 2014, 14:13:
Here's a thought on unwashed jeans: Imagine oral sex with someone who hasn't washed their jeans in a year.

/Thread.

Don't be a scumbag, wash your pants.

That only applies if you're going commando. Most people wear undies.

I used to only wash my jeans every 2 or 3 wears unless I've gone hiking or it was summer or something. They just don't get dirty in a single wear otherwise.

Because underwear is impermeable to bacteria and sweat, right?


I change my underwear after four days. You get four wears out each pair - after the first day turn them around. The next day, wear them inside out. On the fourth day, it's inside out AND backwards. Prez is my name, Hygiene is my game!!!!
 
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News Comments > etc.
37. Re: etc. Oct 27, 2014, 06:50 Prez
 
I totally agree with TotalBiscuit's plea to just argue using facts and try to get the emotion out of it, but I think it's gone too far at this point. People have gotten seriously emotionally invested and people have gotten seriously emotionally hurt. It's not that easy to just back off and try to be objective now.

Many of us are doing just that on both sides. Moderate opinions, viewpoints, and actions never get the press though. I've had plenty of calm debates with people (men and women from both sides of the issue) as I suspect many people have. The press needs the "MOST EXTREME!!!" examples to get clicks. They need to illustrate "FANATICAL EXTREMISM!!!" to get the most interest. Their stories must be laden with "OMG OVER-THE-TOP SENSATIONALISM!!!!!"HELLYEAH"!!. And if they can't find enough of that going on, they'll spin the data to suit as in the Newsweek article. The rest of us, yeah we get frustrated at what passes as "news" and "journalism" on this and other issues, but what can you do?

Oh, and feel free to use the Unreal Tournament announcer voice in your head when reading parts in bold italics. It makes it more "WICKED SICK AWESOME!!!!!!!!
 
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News Comments > etc.
32. Re: etc. Oct 26, 2014, 22:48 Prez
 
Prez wrote on Oct 26, 2014, 22:27:
Beamer wrote on Oct 26, 2014, 21:05:
As I linked to yesterday, the word count on that forum had over 2000 hits for "feminist" and not even 600 for "ethics."

Not about ethics.

Wall

I give up.

No I don't. Here is a rebuttal of the Newsweek conclusions drawn about the social media data taken from Twitter discussions concerning GG. It is long, but excellent.

Kelly Rued · Founder and Creative Director at Black Love Interactive LLC
Having worked with social media and web analytics for several years, I'm a little underwhelmed with your data analysis. Hopefully the report you got from Brandwatch was much more detailed than the summary in this article.

Why is there no timeline to contextualize the relationship of gamergate tweets to media coverage of these people/brands? For example, I would expect discussions of Brianna Wu to spike following her press junket where she alleged her harassers were representative members of gamergate. Since those allegations portrayed the entire movement as hateful harassers, they led to intense discussion of Wu among the thousands of innocent gamers she implicated as a hate group. If analyzing social media mentions for a business client, I'm sure Brandwatch would correlate the data to media campaigns and press mentions in other channels to give some idea of what events triggered these conversations. Without context, it's much harder to understand or speculate why some people were discussed more than others.

People like Grayson and Totilo did not do mainstream press interviews accusing gamergate of being a terrorist/hate group attacking women in games. Maybe that's why they did not generate nearly as much discussion as some of the developers you had Brandwatch look for (we can't really speculate though because you have not presented enough data to make a reasonable claim either way).

Had you really been interested in measuring gamergate's mentions of games press, you might have filtered for Arthur Chu, Ben Kuchera, Sam Biddle, Polygon, Gawker, etc. than a relative unknown like Grayson.

Also you could have filtered for relevant male game developers, like Phil Fish, or filtered for mentions of more famous and influential women developers (Robin Hunicke, Kim Swift, Brenda Romero, Sheri Graner Ray, etc.) who have not publicly accused gamergate of misogyny, harassment, and death threats (which is not to suggest these other women in games don't also feel that gamergate is a hate group, but just that they have not engaged gamergate on Twitter the way Zoe Quinn, Brianna Wu, Anita Sarkeesian, and Leigh Alexander have). Instead you only filtered for women in the games industry who have been very vocal in their condemnations of gamergate. If gamergate was specifically mentioning women developers mainly because they are women, then we would surely see more famous and influential women developers receiving as much or more gamergate mentions than a relative unknown like Zoe Quinn.

According to Kathy Sierra's Koolaid Point theory, the more famous and influential a woman is, the more she will attract misogynistic harassment and hate so surely we could draw some conclusions about gamergate from analyzing how they often gamergate mentions a few industry-leading, award-winning women developers, some with decades in the business and dozens of published titles. It would at least help us speculate how much of gamergate mentioning women developers is based on a woman simply existing in the game industry, and how much might be related to women condemning and antagonizing gamergaters.

I also wonder if your data is accurate because the brevity of tweets encourages shortened names and gamergaters often use nicknames including cryptic acronyms like ZQ and LW (there are so many snarky terms referring to Zoe Quinn that her mentions may have been much higher than reported here). But from the data presented, who knows.

So yeah, you've got a couple of bar graphs, some aggregate mentions, uncontextualized sentiment analysis, and they're tied neatly together with foregone conclusions. Maybe consider contacting a social scientist instead of relying on a brand monitoring company to correctly analyze a consumer revolt.

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31. Re: etc. Oct 26, 2014, 22:27 Prez
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 26, 2014, 21:05:
As I linked to yesterday, the word count on that forum had over 2000 hits for "feminist" and not even 600 for "ethics."

Not about ethics.

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News Comments > Saturday Interviews
42. Re: Breitbart Oct 26, 2014, 00:28 Prez
 
Well said Flatline. Completely agree.


Beamer wrote on Oct 25, 2014, 15:34:

But how much of the discussion is about ethics? 10%? 20%?

How in the world could I know that? Or could you based on hanging out on freaking Twitter and Reddit???

Beamer wrote on Oct 25, 2014, 15:34:
How much of the attacking is aimed at the media?

Quite a lot from what I've seen. But again, I don't hang out on internet cesspools. The question is why do you?

Beamer wrote on Oct 25, 2014, 15:34:
How much of anything even discusses the media, other than complaining about "SJWs" and editorials?


I know I've explained this many times, but here it is again. The complete lack of journalistic ethics as it relates to feminist extremism in gaming, some of which editors have at least in part owned up to concerning Zoe Quinn, is what started Gamergate to begin with. The SJW's are largely IN THE MEDIA. They are not reporting on the games industry as is their responsibility; they are activists pushing their agenda, ignoring all dissenting opinions. That is a LACK OF ETHICS. Feminism is the narrative pushed by the corrupt media that many are against; there is no way to discuss the lack of the gaming media's integrity without discussing their extremist feminist agenda. I know you don't agree but I wish you would stop deliberately misrepresenting this.

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148. Re: etc., etc. Oct 25, 2014, 18:50 Prez
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 25, 2014, 15:32:

Google "define misogyny":
mi·sog·y·ny
noun
noun: misogyny
dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Note "ingrained prejudice."

"Hatred" is an extreme simplification. Even wifebeaters love women. But they still beat them. They're still misogynists. But they'll deny it all day long because they love women.


No, that's not true. Wife beaters are bullies who pick on weaker people. They would just as likely beat their child or someone else weaker than them; sex has nothing to do with it. Again, you are using the word too liberally.

So who is it about journalism to?

I already explained that in the other thread. *SNIP*

Prez wrote on Oct 25, 2014, 15:04:
Gamergate started as a response to the marked lack of journalistic ethics when reporting on the advancing agenda of notable feminists while ignoring all counterpoint. These concepts - ethics and feminism- are not mutually exclusive as they are irrevocably tied together in this case. In short it is about both. To say otherwise is being disingenuous.
 
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141. Re: etc., etc. Oct 25, 2014, 15:16 Prez
 
Just because Breitbart is slanted doesn't mean the information is bad. Generally you'll only see one side presented. For a counterpoint, you could always go to MSNBC...  
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7. Re: Breitbart Oct 25, 2014, 15:04 Prez
 
Gamergate started as a response to the marked lack of journalistic ethics when reporting on the advancing agenda of notable feminists while ignoring all counterpoint. These concepts - ethics and feminism- are not mutually exclusive as they are irrevocably tied together in this case. In short it is about both. To say otherwise is being disingenuous.  
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130. Re: etc., etc. Oct 25, 2014, 05:11 Prez
 
Loopy wrote on Oct 25, 2014, 04:46:
I feel sorry for Gamersgate. They've even had the name for 10 years!

Yeah me too. Very unfortunate turn of events for them. They may want to consider changing their name.
 
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128. Re: etc., etc. Oct 25, 2014, 02:11 Prez
 
I disagree with your definition of misogyny Beamer. Every major dictionary I can find (at least a dozen) defines it simply as either 1) a hatred of women or 2) a feeling of superiority to women. Games are not misogynistic; I don't buy the Wikipedia pop culture definition you provide because it is not what misogyny is.

Objectification of women is not necessarily misogyny; you are abusing the definition. Sexist maybe, but not misogynist. Can the things you describe be symptomatic of misogyny? Yes, but they alone are not proof that misogyny exists. There are no misogynist games that I am aware of; you need to stop redefining the word.

By your all-encompassing definition I can equally make the claim that games are misandrist. Men are objectified by hookers and strippers as nothing but cash dispensers, and the depiction of men as sex-starved Neanderthals is quite denigrating. Are the three leads in GTA 5 anything but denigrating depictions of men? Alas, you can't just redefine a word to suit your argument.

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News Comments > The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Trailer
7. Re: The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Trailer Oct 24, 2014, 23:51 Prez
 
Amazing!!!!  
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News Comments > Hardland Early Access
3. Re: Hardland Early Access Oct 24, 2014, 23:46 Prez
 
I agree it was a bad choice of comparison, but it does look neat. The graphics have a nice bit of charm to them.  
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News Comments > Evening Mobilization
1. Re: Evening Mobilization Oct 24, 2014, 20:52 Prez
 
People might be willing to put up with a locked down ecosystem on a tablet like with the Amazon Kindle Fire (there are 3 in my household and we love them) but a smartphone without access to the massive and massively popular Google apps library? Bad, bad idea.  
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106. Re: etc., etc. Oct 24, 2014, 18:15 Prez
 
The threats and harassment need to stop. The trouble is how do you stop it? If one of these morons making threats is actually caught and charged with making terroristic threats I think that would be a good start. Make an example of the little shit and send a message to the other mouth-breathers doing it. I despise the militant feminist movement in gaming but with each threat and doxxing I am becoming less and less sympathetic to Gamergate. With each threat and incident of harassment the gaming community is being made to look worse and worse, and (even more troubling) it is serving to validate the message of militant feminists like Sarkeesian and the gaming press.

What pisses me off is that considering how much data the government collects on people I would think it ought to be a cinch to find out who is doing the threatening and harassment and hang the fuckers up by their shoe strings. Why is this not happening?
 
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News Comments > Morning Crowdfunding Roundup
9. Re: Morning Crowdfunding Roundup Oct 24, 2014, 17:22 Prez
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 24, 2014, 16:18:
UHD wrote on Oct 24, 2014, 14:54:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 24, 2014, 13:49:
- System Shock (Need license? Spiritual successor okay?)

Bioshock was billed as a spiritual successor; what are you looking for exactly?

Outer space. Technology.

Shodan or GTFO insect!
 
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News Comments > Sid Meier's Civilization: Beyond Earth Released
31. Re: Sid Meier's Civilization: Beyond Earth Released Oct 24, 2014, 17:17 Prez
 
I was really impressed by the Total Biscuit video actually. Like Civ 5, I expect this game to really come into its own with expansions, so with that in mind I will wait before buying.  
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News Comments > Arma III Free Weekend
15. Re: Arma III Free Weekend Oct 24, 2014, 03:33 Prez
 
I will always fondly remember Operation Flashpoint as the game that introduced me to real modern warfare, AND as the most tense singleplayer experience I ever had. That mission when you are alone sneaking through the woods behind enemy lines had me literally sweating it was so intense. I rememeber it came out at the same time that Ghost Recon did, and while everyone was quick to call that one the superior game I jsut kept playing OpFlash. I've dabbled with the Arma games off and on since. I love the design - there still isn't anything else like the Arma games out there.  
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