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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
44. Re: Morning Consolidation Jun 13, 2013, 19:40 Orogogus
Draugr wrote on Jun 13, 2013, 15:44:
Flatline wrote on Jun 13, 2013, 14:03:
That tells me that the next "generation" of gaming should be about making AAA quality games *cheaper* to produce. Meaning faster, easier pipelines.

I've been predicting that games are going to peak on budget since the beginning of the PS3/360 generation. The solution to this isn't to yank fair use doctrine

Used games are not fair use at all. First sale doctrine is what applies here.

and force consumers into what amounts to an outdated pattern of game development, but to push, and I mean *really* push, to make games cheaper and more efficient to produce. That's it really.

Either that or admit that you've hit a certain level of fidelity that is just not economical to get past and go back to investing in content.

Next gen games *ARE* cheaper to produce, at least on a hardware level -- when everything is using such similar hardware, the porting is far cheaper than it used to be. That's not to say there may not be in increase in production costs elsewhere (again, they always feel graphics are king.) but there it going to be an offset because you don't need to worry yourself about making a version that runs on a Cell CPU and a PowerPC CPU.

I think publishers have enormous incentive to get games made more efficiently. I think that's what gets us yearly sports games with minimal changes, free to play, DLC, Starcraft 2 split into 3 titles, and nearly every action game made to console specifications. These are all ways to get games made more cheaply, and people certainly do complain.

I get the feeling that efficiency here just means magic, the way that every game that doesn't run perfectly smoothly is because the developers don't know how to "optimize". Like, is there a ton of evidence that companies use egregiously wasteful methodologies to make games? Game development probably isn't something you can six sigma or 5S into profitability.

On one hand indie games do get a lot of praise here, but on the other you also see a lot of action games taking flak for not going PC-only with visuals beyond what consoles can handle, or giant levels that can't be squeezed into the 360 and PS3's memory. There are a ton of people who complain about graphics -- I don't think it's possible to make a jungle game without people complaining that it pales compared to Crysis 2. A lot of complaints about consolization can be translated into 1) the game should be fancier and cost more to make, or 2) the gameplay should appeal to a smaller, more discerning audience, neither of which necessarily translate into a higher profit to man hours ratio.
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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
56. Re: Morning Consolidation Jun 13, 2013, 14:56 Orogogus
Krovven wrote on Jun 12, 2013, 16:13:
People keep saying that the Xbox One model is just like Steam's model...

There is one massive difference.

Steam doesn't stop working when you have no internet connection for 24 hrs. There is an offline mode.

I guess this is yesterday's news, but note that Steam's offline mode does stop working after 2-4 weeks without an Internet connection, rendering your games inert. Valve doesn't go out of its way to describe this feature, but apparently Valve customer service will tell you need to go online if you run into it.
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News Comments > Evening Consolidation
2. Re: Evening Consolidation Jun 12, 2013, 21:28 Orogogus
Creston wrote on Jun 12, 2013, 21:16:
Way to be pathetic, ESA. It's a hundred dollar console that plays phone game (and does so not very well), and you're being this pedantic dick in trying to stop people from noticing them.

I hereby move we nominate the ESA instead of EA in next year's "Biggest fucking dicks in America" competition.


They're being petty, not pedantic. This is being pedantic.
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News Comments > Mad Max Game Announced
35. Re: Mad Max Game Announced Jun 11, 2013, 17:45 Orogogus
Tanto Edge wrote on Jun 11, 2013, 17:17:
Mad Max RW wrote on Jun 11, 2013, 16:12:
A Starship Troopers movie done right would basically be a scifi Full Metal Jacket. That would be kinda awesome.

You guys and I remember either Starship Troopers or Full Metal Jacket very differently.
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News Comments > FreeSpace IP Sold for $7500
26. Re: FreeSpace IP Sold for $7500 Jun 7, 2013, 16:24 Orogogus
NKD wrote on Jun 7, 2013, 14:47:
Cutter wrote on Jun 7, 2013, 14:33:
Honestly, it's not a big deal. No one's done anything with it forever. Put the $7500 toward actual development and create an homage.

I guess if you really think about it, the IP isn't that amazing anyway. It was the gameplay that was fun. The story and stuff is pretty interchangeable with just about every other scifi setting.

I'd love a space sim set in the Mass Effect universe, but I know that shit won't happen.

I don't know, I've complained about this with other IPs, but I feel Freespace has a reasonably strong background and I could see some value in the IP. FS2 ended on a pretty big cliffhanger, and there are a lot of storylines left unsolved. What happened to Earth after the Lucifer collapsed its jump point in FS1? What do the Shivans want? What happened to Bosch?

It's not like Homeworld, where there's really no storyline left to tie up, or Total Annihilation, which is almost entirely devoid of anything that would be considered protected IP worth grabbing.
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News Comments > Morning Tech Bits
34. Re: Morning Tech Bits May 31, 2013, 20:02 Orogogus
Fixing the screen height issue only covered up the fact that people weren't using the Start Menu. It's really rare that I see an average user go in there to start a program. Like I said, the only element I've seen most people use is the Shutdown button.  
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News Comments > Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion Box Not Empty
10. Re: Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion Box Not Empty May 31, 2013, 19:48 Orogogus
ViRGE wrote on May 31, 2013, 19:14:
There are also fewer technical games though. Klingon Academy came with a spiral bound manual, which painstakingly listed information on all of the ships, the weapon systems, major characters, and of course the various powers. It's something of an extreme example, but an example of a particularly dense manual that simply isn't done anymore.

Didn't that A10 simulator on Steam come with a PDF manual nearly 700 pages long?
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News Comments > Morning Tech Bits
32. Re: Morning Tech Bits May 31, 2013, 18:08 Orogogus
Well, I agree that most people I've met don't know how to use the Start Menu. If I had a nickel for every time I opened an old version of Windows to find the Start Menu filled with crap going past the screen height... In practice I find that the majority of people I know use desktop icons for everything, and the Start Menu is just there to shut down the computer.

I can sort of see how that mess ended up as the W8 interface, especially after all these people were apparently able to manage tablet and smartphone interfaces just fine. But not so great for people who were able to navigate Windows in the first place,
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News Comments > Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion Box Not Empty
6. Re: Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion Box Not Empty May 31, 2013, 14:49 Orogogus
Some boxes. I have many fond memories of EA games that came in square cardboard billfolds less than 1/4" thick.  
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News Comments > Morning Safety Dance
6. Re: Morning Safety Dance May 28, 2013, 15:04 Orogogus
Narf2029 wrote on May 28, 2013, 14:41:

The article includes that comic and goes into how they defeat that kind of password.
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News Comments > Morning Safety Dance
2. Re: Morning Safety Dance May 28, 2013, 14:08 Orogogus
Those with bad passwords destroy the security of a site for everyone if a targeted attempt is made.

If that's the case, wouldn't if be easy to just go to the site and make some bad passwords on purpose? Or good ones, for that matter? The article says corporate passwords are a different beast, so it sounds like they're looking at publicly accessible websites.
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News Comments > Heavy Gear Assault Adds Singleplayer
14. Re: Heavy Gear Assault Adds Singleplayer May 27, 2013, 16:44 Orogogus
eRe4s3r wrote on May 27, 2013, 11:27:
My advise to them, reboot the Kickstarter and start it again in September going into October (seems to be the time Kickstarters get the most money), drop all MP features and make them stretch goals, and give us a SP/Instant Skirmish base platform, make editor free to all, allow everyone to host their own servers, allow modding, and stop assuming everyone knows Heavy Gear's story and faction (or remembers that).

If they drop all the MP features, what do people need to host servers for?

Incidentally, There was a HG cartoon that was about nothing other than arena combat. The Wikipedia section on it is kind of funny.

In any case I think you guys are all in an echo chamber and basically just want them to make a game guaranteed to fail. Niche market, complex gameplay, no multiplayer, editor included, features far above and beyond what other games have. But that might be workable in the Kickstarter world since it allows extremists to pay much, much higher than reasonable prices, letting the company get by without making any money on actual sales. Except with an effort to piss off the portion of the niche that actually wants to play against each other (i.e., probable actual Heavy Gear fans).

I mean, if you don't have MP and want them to make the storyline accessible, you're basically asking them to make a big complicated HG game for casuals. And then make the editor free so they can't make any additional money whatsoever. So something like Freespace 2, only less successful and even less multiplayer.
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News Comments > Atari Fire Sale
23. Re: Atari Fire Sale May 23, 2013, 13:06 Orogogus
It's not trustworthy when anyone can buy it for $250K.

If someone doesn't realize, for example, that Rocksteady's not working on the next Batman game then that's one thing, but I think 16 years is probably long enough for even the most oblivious gamer to realize that something might be fishy.
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News Comments > Atari Fire Sale
19. Re: Atari Fire Sale May 23, 2013, 12:32 Orogogus
As far as storyline goes, Total Annihilation is possibly the most generic game ever made since the 2600 era. I've said this about other brands before (Homeworld comes to mind), but I really, really don't see any benefit to obtaining the IP. Countless examples have shown that you can't copyright gameplay, and there can't possibly be anyone attached to the CORE vs. ARM storyline, at least not enough to wish that a company had spent $250K for the privilege of slapping the brand onto a game.  
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News Comments > MS's PC Gaming Disregard to Continue
41. Re: MS's PC Gaming Disregard to Continue May 23, 2013, 06:57 Orogogus
Golwar wrote on May 23, 2013, 05:00:
NKD wrote on May 23, 2013, 02:22:
Sure, Microsoft doesn't really make first party PC games anymore, but they've done nothing to hinder Windows as a games platform either.

It's still the best platform for making PC games, and will continue to be for the forseeable future unless something drastic happens.

Really? Some would disagree with Windows 8. And there haven't been too few game developers who criticized Microsoft.

Anyway, as paradox as it sounds, Microsoft's treatment of PC gamers is one primary reason why Xbox never had the slightest chance with me.

I don't recall a lot of Win8 criticism that had to do with games. About 80% of it is the lack of a Start Menu, and there was some concern that the marketplace was going to completely replace traditional software installations. Game developers' criticism of Microsoft usually has to do with the 360, I think; has there been a significant developer criticism since Carmack got involved in the OpenGL/Direct3D war?

One thing that's an actual hindrance is that GFWL breaks, or their servers go down, and people can't activate or play their games. And some games require a separate GFWL login, which is stupid. And of course, they originally wanted to charge money for it.

All in all, it's probably best when MS doesn't care about games, as their focused approach is generally awful.
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News Comments > Evening Consolidation
11. Re: Evening Consolidation May 23, 2013, 06:42 Orogogus
Redmask wrote on May 22, 2013, 22:58:
So much for the Kinect spyware implication deniers. Just one recent example of the kind of crap they want to get up to, they just patented the following:

The abstract describes a camera-based system that would monitor the number of viewers in a room and check to see if the number of occupants exceeded a certain threshold set by the content provider. If there are too many warm bodies present, the device owner would be prompted to purchase a license for a greater number of viewers.

Break out the tape and block that mic. I'm glad they're coming up with all of these great reasons to own their gaming console Rolleyes

2 years is kind of liberal for "just patented".
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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
83. Re: Morning Consolidation May 22, 2013, 18:53 Orogogus
jdreyer wrote on May 22, 2013, 15:16:
Steam has some pretty significant differences with XBox 1.
  • Steam will let you play offline, indefinitely. Xbox will not.

  • Yes, your Steam games are tied to your account, which sucks, but since that game likely cost you $5 or $10, do you really care that much? Xbox games take a long time to come down in price, and they never see prices as low as Steam. Example: BL2 was $12 this past weekend on Steam. That was released 6 months ago, and made many GotY honors. XBox version still $40

  • Steam games can be played at full resolution. You get to choose hardware, settings, etc. Xbox games are limited to whatever the devs decide3.

  • Some nitpicks:

    Steam's offline mode has to check in every few weeks, or at least that's the consensus since Valve hasn't been very open about it.

    It might be a month, it might be 2 weeks. Valve might have changed it without notice. And some people claim to have had computers offline for more than a month without loss of functionality. But there still seems to be general agreement that your certificate or whatever expires after 2-4 weeks, and then you have to log in again to play anything.

    Also, the console versions of Borderlands 2 seem to be $30 at Amazon and Gamestop, not $40.
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    News Comments > Heavy Gear Assault Kickstarter
    25. Re: Heavy Gear Assault Kickstarter May 22, 2013, 13:11 Orogogus
    eRe4s3r wrote on May 22, 2013, 02:52:
    All I ever used from MekPak3 was the Salvage Mod + the MechPak 3 mechs (Google it, modifies campaign, adds proper salvage system)

    I put it into Google and got basically nothing other than a thread where someone was working on a mod and abandoned it after the functionality was apparently incorporated into the Mekpak 3.1 patch. So I guess that was a thing.

    Still, I think their efforts were clearly focused on the multiplayer. Like, overwhelmingly so.
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    News Comments > Morning Consolidation
    32. Re: Morning Consolidation May 22, 2013, 12:59 Orogogus
    InBlack wrote on May 22, 2013, 09:50:
    siapnar wrote on May 22, 2013, 09:30:
    SirKnight wrote on May 22, 2013, 09:28:
    What's it supposed to run off? Coal? Just like the 360, you can use regular batteries or buy rechargeable packs. Problem solved.
    Yep, run off coal. Just like the PS3 controller.


    Eh. I have the 360 Play and Charge kit, making it exactly like the PS3, but in practice if the controller ends up uncharged then I'm screwed, whereas I always have batteries charged. Nowadays I generally don't use the charging kit. I guess I could buy a longer USB cord, but I don't see it as flat-out superior.
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    News Comments > Warhammer 40,000: Armageddon Announced
    5. Re: Warhammer 40,000: Armageddon Announced May 22, 2013, 02:02 Orogogus
    Games Workshop is pretty damn stingy with its IPs. In the past 10 years 40K has had 2 Dawn of War games, that third person shooter and a portable game. Warhammer Fantasy hasn't even been that lucky. It's hardly anything like, say, Star Wars, with its LEGO games, Kinect title, Soul Calibur characters, Angry Birds tie-in, MMORPG, card game, etc.

    The question is really, why aren't they shopping their IPs around to more developers? Just with 40K, there's been nothing that's touched Battlefleet Gothic or Necromunda, 1 game that had Titans at all, races which have only ever been used in the first Dawn of War, nothing in the Horus Heresy or other past eras, and so on. There's a ton of room for "diluting the IP," but somehow the big RPG and tabletop houses are all sitting on their properties despite their captive demographics.
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