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Signed On Feb 22, 2003, 03:15
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News Comments > Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Trailer
7. Re: Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Trailer Aug 30, 2014, 00:15 Orogogus
 
CJ_Parker wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 20:35:
The number one (as in best known, best selling in other media formats etc.) mainstream RPG franchise and not a single good CRPG yet

Do you mean fantasy rather than RPG? As far as I know the Lord of the Rings pen and paper RPGs have always been third tier also-rans, Games Workshop's tabletop miniatures game is behind Warhammer Fantasy, and so on.
 
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News Comments > Last Chance at Some GOG.com Games
17. Re: Last Chance at Some GOG.com Games Aug 28, 2014, 17:11 Orogogus
 
Creston wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 14:36:
GOG is trying to get publishers to stop this asinine price difference bullshit, but they're small fry, so it's not as if it's having much success. They've said that if they can't get the price to be the same, they'll eat the difference themselves, which in the case of Australian prices may mean they take a pretty big loss on selling that game.

Obviously, since Russia is getting it so much cheaper than everyone else, GOG doesn't have to price match with the US price. And, of course, Witcher 3 is their own game, so they can sell it for whatever the hell they want to.

Ah, old games only. That's what I was missing.

Also, why does Russia get it so much cheaper than everyone else? Why, because the rest of us are funding their lower prices! Yay publishers!

Is this something that you actually believe? Like, our prices are higher just so Russia/Ukraine can get lower prices? That seems extremely unlikely. The point of regional pricing would be to charge the optimal point that the market will bear, and it's hard to imagine there's any kind of actual campaign to win the hearts and minds of the Russian consumer population at the cost of profits elsewhere.

It seems to me that publishers are in a no-win situation. If Russia gets an appropriate price one group bitches, and if not then the Russian consumers will just apply the same logic that Western consumers did for music -- the publisher doesn't care to offer goods at a reasonable price so it's inevitable that everyone will just pirate it.
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
3. Re: etc., etc. Aug 27, 2014, 23:35 Orogogus
 
Cutter wrote on Aug 27, 2014, 23:32:
A fucking SWAT team just shows up because of a prank call?

You'd have to assume they didn't identify themselves as a prank call; aren't shooters exactly what SWAT teams are for?
 
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News Comments > Last Chance at Some GOG.com Games
7. Re: Last Chance at Some GOG.com Games Aug 27, 2014, 23:23 Orogogus
 
Whiskers wrote on Aug 27, 2014, 21:47:
The publisher, Nordic, was demanding everyone use regional pricing, which goes against GOG's policy, so they decided to drop their games. Can't blame them for sticking to their policies and trying to keep games the same price across regions.

Something I've never understood -- does the term regional pricing apply only to US/EUR/JAP, or is there some other formula that determines how much the price is allowed to vary? If I go to steamprices.com, I see that Witcher 3 preorders are $60 US, 40 and 50. The UK & EU prices are apparently about 20% higher than the US, but okay, that might be within the plus/minus of currency fluctuations. But the Russian price is the equivalent of $17.45.

How does a stance against regional pricing translate into the ultra-low territories like Russia? It seems like they still get regional pricing.

Also, Australia is apparently still getting jacked to the tune of 40%.
 
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News Comments > Steam Top 10
18. Re: Steam Top 10 Aug 26, 2014, 07:09 Orogogus
 
Jerykk wrote on Aug 25, 2014, 22:58:
That's a wee bit misleading. The extra cost was because of the CD format, which was brand new at the time. The games themselves were cheaper than most AAA modern games. $19.95, $29.95, $34.95, etc.

What? "Etc." in this case would be $60 for Monkey Island 2, the most recent game on that page. That's the same price as AAA releases today, except in 1991 dollars. $35 is for last year's releases, and $20 is for the EGA versions of last year's releases or Maniac Mansion, 4 years old at that time. That's like the original Starcraft 2 in current terms ($20 on Amazon, incidentally, in 2014 dollars) -- and here I'm picking a company notorious for keeping its prices up.

Although, I guess CoD is even more notorious in that regard, and the 2010 title, Black Ops, is $40 on Steam, so there's that. $20 for physical copies on Amazon, though.

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News Comments > Ships Ahoy - Risen 3: Titan Lords
12. Re: Ships Ahoy - Risen 3: Titan Lords Aug 13, 2014, 04:18 Orogogus
 
Quinn wrote on Aug 12, 2014, 18:15:
the game is only out for a few hours yet except for a console version that had leaked a few days earlier. And trust me, I literally don't care AT ALL what that group has to say about a game like Risen.

It's kind of weird that PB doesn't care, either. From all accounts the console versions of Risen 2 were released extremely buggy, including quest bugs, and never got patched. Dodge roll was never added to the console versions, which is kind of WTF.

Like, it's one thing for a random fan to hold console players in total contempt, but as a developer maybe you should just not release console versions at all in that case.
 
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News Comments > System Shock 2 Turns 15
24. Re: System Shock 2 Turns 15 Aug 12, 2014, 19:49 Orogogus
 
Creston wrote on Aug 12, 2014, 11:46:
SS2 was an awesome game, but not as fantastic as the original. I wish someone would just remake the original with updated graphics and that runs on a modern OS. I'd kickstart that for 60 bucks.

Ya. In everything but controls and graphics I thought the original was a far, far better game. And I guess people liked the RPG stuff, which I really didn't. It's weird how different SS2 turned out from SS, particularly how the maps in SS were so much bigger than SS2 and Bioshock's.
 
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News Comments > Evening Consolidation
7. Re: Evening Consolidation Aug 12, 2014, 19:41 Orogogus
 
Fantaz wrote on Aug 12, 2014, 17:50:
wasn't Square Enix pissed earlier about Tomb Raider's sales numbers not meeting expectations in the millions? how's this supposed to be a win in terms of sales to go with the losing player?

People keep saying this, but I don't get why. If someone offers you money for an exclusive, you wouldn't hand over your biggest blockbuster, would you? The best thing would be to use something that wasn't selling a bunch anyways. And if you're able to scale back expectations and development costs accordingly, so much the better.
 
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News Comments > Evening Metaverse
9. Re: Evening Metaverse Aug 9, 2014, 00:16 Orogogus
 
Creston wrote on Aug 8, 2014, 16:20:
I'll be very interested to see the ad this Sunday, so I know which 900 authors to avoid in the future. Fuck you and your attempts at price fixing. Fuck you right up your fucking ass with a rusty pipe.

I think the online version of the letter's already linked in the article, with all the signatories: http://www.authorsunited.net/
 
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News Comments > SSI Vets form TSI
10. Re: SSI Vets form TSI Aug 8, 2014, 17:31 Orogogus
 
It's kind of weird that everyone is focusing on the Gold Box games. I feel like the first game, Pool of Radiance, was in many ways the high point of that series, especially in terms of scope and doing different things. After they became the Gold Box company the games just got more and more samey. SSI was more interesting to me when they had a dozen wildly different RPG engines going on.

Wizard's Crown was definitely one of those. It had an amazingly complex combat system.

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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
33. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Aug 8, 2014, 13:10 Orogogus
 
I got that from:

"If that's the case, then this suit would be to establish that she is the rightful owner of the IP, which would be needed to go after Rovio."

You and 1badmf are the only people who seem to think that Rovio got their designs from Hartz. I think she couldn't possibly go after Rovio because she's got nothing more than a red cartoon bird, whereas you seem to think she has a design with multiple, incontrovertible but inexplicably indescribable similarities to Rovio's bird. I keep asking and asking...
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
31. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Aug 8, 2014, 12:14 Orogogus
 
I think it's absurd that you think this lady can win a separate case against Rovio based on "general similarities." That she should file a case based on nothing more than, "Just look at them, geeze!"

What I know about Family Guy comes from YouTube clips, but if I were to make a case for Peter Griffin ripping off Homer Simpson, I would point to specifics like both being overweight, foolish, everyman characters, living in suburbs with dysfunctional nuclear families. And then I would expect it to get shot down since the suburbs and nuclear families are dysfunctional relationships are hardly unique, and the characters themselves owe a lot to prior creations like Fred Flintstone or George Jetson.

Plus the whole thing about them both being Fox cartoons.

What you have are red cartoony birds with hardly any similar features that aren't common to birds in general.
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
29. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Aug 8, 2014, 02:06 Orogogus
 
I think you're wrong. Also, you don't seem to be able to describe any similarities other than "it's obvious, duh." Despite the fact that one's a cardinal and the other's a hummingbird. You handwave away a ton of differences by saying, oh, that was to make it fit the game, but you don't have any actual similarities. I keep asking and asking, and nothing.

Does every single cartoon and comic cat ever made look the same to you? Like, you see Sylvester, Garfield and Bill the Cat, and it's immediately obvious to you that they were all copied from some prototypical cartoon cat, and that there's no way people could independently come up with whiskers and cat ears?
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
25. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Aug 7, 2014, 18:57 Orogogus
 
Quboid wrote on Aug 7, 2014, 17:59:
Orogogus wrote on Aug 7, 2014, 17:33:
The shapes are completely different. Rovio's is a ball for throwing, and the other is thinner and elongated

This explains most of the points you make, Rovio adapted the design to fit their game. Take the first toy, adapt it to fit the theme of a catapult game, and bar a few minor cosmetic changes you've got the second toy.

I get the feeling that anything red and bird-themed would fit your definition. Like, for some reason you think cartoon birds are really, really difficult to come up with.

They're not even the same kind of bird.

What are the points of similarity to you other than red theme, white eyes, yellow beak? I think you need more than that to seriously claim that one was derived from the other, and I seriously don't see anything else. Red feathers and a yellow beak are basic bird features, and white eyes are a fundamental cartoonism. You've got something else, right?
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
23. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Aug 7, 2014, 17:33 Orogogus
 
Quboid wrote on Aug 7, 2014, 16:38:
I don't know what else to say, I see resemblances in the designs on the page of the PDF that I linked to (*cough*proving I did at least skim it*cough*).

Like what besides the red color and white eyes? I guess the beak is yellow.

- The shapes are completely different. Rovio's is a ball for throwing, and the other is thinner and elongated
- Rovio's doesn't have any wings
- Rovio's has a stubby beak instead of a long proboscis
- The lady's design has legs, and Rovio's doesn't. Also sneakers.
- Rovio's has a small crest -- I think it's supposed to be a cardinal -- whereas the lady's doesn't, because it's a hummingbird
- Rovio's has eyebrows
- Rovio's has a secondary chest coloration
- Rovio's has a little bush tail whereas the other has the tail built out

Is it that they don't have red birds in your part of the world? Otherwise I just have no idea where you're coming from.
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
20. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Aug 6, 2014, 19:47 Orogogus
 
1badmf wrote on Aug 6, 2014, 01:23:
it's pretty clear the game is based on her designs with some modifications

What makes you say that? I mentioned it before, but I don't think her design really looks anything like the video game birds. They're both red and they have big white eyes. She claims Hartz used her font, but they don't look similar at all. What else are you and Quboid seeing?
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
11. Re: Angry Birds Aug 5, 2014, 17:12 Orogogus
 
Quboid wrote on Aug 5, 2014, 16:44:
Orogogus wrote on Aug 5, 2014, 15:19:
I feel like I'm looking at something different from everyone else. I mean, they're both red, and they have big eyes, and... that's it? The wings, tail, shape of beak, legs or lack thereof, secondary coloration all look dissimilar to me. Is there, like, a whole set of these things in the same color schemes as the other birds?

It's not the precise toy that's a copy, it's the IP - it's the same concept and the same name.

As far as I can tell, it's merchandising rights to the name with regards to pet toys. She doesn't seem to claim that the video game has anything to do with her pet toy designs. She does say that the packaging was ripped off from her design, including the font, which I don't really see.
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
8. Re: Angry Birds Aug 5, 2014, 15:19 Orogogus
 
Quboid wrote on Aug 5, 2014, 14:56:
The comparison on page 13 is the most blatant. There's just no way that happened independently even if Hartz didn't have their fingers in both.

I feel like I'm looking at something different from everyone else. I mean, they're both red, and they have big eyes, and... that's it? The wings, tail, shape of beak, legs or lack thereof, secondary coloration all look dissimilar to me. Is there, like, a whole set of these things in the same color schemes as the other birds?
 
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News Comments > Evening Patches
3. Re: Evening Patches Jul 30, 2014, 12:58 Orogogus
 
ForgedReality wrote on Jul 30, 2014, 12:01:
Creston wrote on Jul 30, 2014, 11:39:
As a thanks for giving us updates like these for free, I bought some paint job DLCs.

It's hilarious that we see things like this as an above-and-beyond bonus nowadays, when it used to be that free updates to games for several months after release were just expected and the norm.

Rose-tinted glasses. Free content has never been the norm. Generally speaking, the vast majority of games just got a few patches and that was it.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
6. Re: Out of the Blue Jul 6, 2014, 23:45 Orogogus
 
jimnms wrote on Jul 6, 2014, 16:35:
Orogogus wrote on Jul 5, 2014, 19:07:
From what I recall, the original main developer bowed out because his wife was diagnosed with cancer and his life went to pieces. The guy now in charge was originally brought in to get the game to a releasable state, and he felt that at this point a code rewrite/sequel would be the best option (which is what he wanted the KS for).

I never heard anything about his wife getting cancer, just that he hired a guy to take over development of the game for a percentage of the profits. The developer, after realizing that his cut wasn't enough to live on while working on the game full time, called it quits and recommended either open sourcing the game or a complete rewrite.

I also don't remember Towns being on Kickstarter. I remember it causing a shit storm when it got on Steam because it was still in beta. This was before Steam had an Early Access program.

I got Towns in a bundle a long time ago. Back then it was on Desura, but they later gave everyone a Steam key. I played a little bit of it back then. It seemed like a neat idea, but was very buggy. I haven't played it since then either.

This is the original cancer post. His life going to pieces and hiring the third guy (Moebius, I think) came after that:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/221020/discussions/0/864956554708516116/
 
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