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Signed On Feb 19, 2003, 07:19
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News Comments > On Gears of War 2, PCs, and Piracy
52. Re: Well Sep 30, 2008, 03:58 Tomas
So why is hollywood so successful these days? I mean, how many Adam Sandler movies are there or movies with Ben Stiller and how many of those were blockbusters? Did they turn a profit too?

I hope PC games stay and we still see them push the art. Consoles sure as fuck won't because all they care about is $$$$.

I'm glad you asked since I happen to have experience in the movie industry. The reason there are so many of those movies is because most people like crap. Most movies don't turn profits - in fact it's a common, incorrect belief that movie X, which cost 40 million to make, made 50 million in the box office so it must have been successful. That movie failed miserably and those involved financially are now writing off yet another huge loss unless they have a some really quality DVD options setup as well as control over foreign rights and a number of other things. It's pretty complex - the whole movie thing but not completely unlike games although there are a lot more pricks per dozen in movies. But the bottom line is most of those Adam Sandler/Ben Stiller movies did make profit. As soon as they stop they stop making them. Herein lies the difference.

You can have a box-office failure that is still profitable because of the things I mentioned above. In fact you'll notice if you go to your local video store that there are many more movies that never release in the theater for that exact reason. It costs a lot of money to do a big ad campaign, get the screens, and cover all the costs of theatrical release whereas releasing to DVD and managing things like foreign rights has a much smaller investment and yet are the main sources of profit for most movies. With video games you don't really have this second, third, and possibly fourth stream of revenue. If your store/online sales fail...your game fails. Sure there's a bargain bin, but you don't make much on AAA titles when it reaches the bargain bin. After those first two weeks most titles lose their shelf space and the sales become very small except in the cases of the exceptions - the big hits like the WoWs or the Sims which can sell for months. This is why you're seeing many games pushing the first month of DRM and then not worrying about it so much. It's why you'll see the console version coming out first followed by the PC weeks or months later. It's all because the numbers that come in show this is the most "sure" method of sales for PC games and it's what the guys with the investment capital will always push for. It would be bad business to request anything else.

This doesn't discount the notion that people don't like being treated like thieves. If you feel that way I'd suggest you relax and take a deep breath. If you think someone is insinuating that all PC gamers are thieves then you are way too sensitive. The PC games industry is simply reeling from increased complications in a quickly changing market. They are trying to find solutions and not all of them are well thought out or good for consumers. There's backlash as there should be but in the end there are no really easy answers. Sure we could do away with all copy protection and just hope people become more honest but that's not going to significantly increase sales. To suggest that having some sort of copy protection in a game makes honest folks justified in stealing is silly as is assuming that have that same protection helps the honest folks in any way.'s a bad situation for both the companies trying to make money and the consumer exacerbated by the fact that it's so easy to pirate and it's becoming more of a social norm than it used to be.

I remember when I was a kid and I had a friend who had a pirated game and my first though was, "but that's illegal...what if the FBI comes to my house and catches me." Sure I was a bit dumb to think the FBI would actually show up because my buddy copied King's Quest and gave it to me, but these days most have lost that sentiment and replaced it with some sort of feeling of entitlement as if that somehow made sense.

Anyhow, long post for a short concept but sometimes you just get going. The bottom line is hollywood isn't successful because of the box office. In nearly all cases their real revenue comes from secondary sources and not the percent of the ticket sale they get (which in many cases is a lot less than you probably think). PC games do not yet have a good secondary revenue stream though there are some attempts to at least help with that such as, Steam and a few other sources. In the end though this isn't enough to make up for most games - not even for the good ones. If you want to know the state of the games industry then go try to find investors or an investment group who want to make anything other than a clone of the top 5 games.

I too hope that PC games stay as I'd rather play a PC game 10 times over than most console games. I don't think it's fair to say console people only care about money, but it's definitely the safer avenue right now. Sure there is console piracy but its no nearly as easy or widespread an audience. This could change, but it's a bit easier to combat as well since the hardware is all proprietary etc. Sucks for us PC gamers who just want to enjoy awesome games at a good price without the DRM or hassle...but until someone comes up with some big changes for the industry it's not going to improve. The costs simply outweigh the potential profit in too many cases for the money to keep flowing.

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News Comments > Game Reviews
1. Mount & Blade Sep 30, 2008, 03:32 Tomas
For all its shortcomings (come's indie afterall) I can't remember the last time a game kept me up several days in a row past 6AM. Sure I wish it was more robust in areas...but it's just so fun as it is. I am glad I bought it back when it was $12 though! =)

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News Comments > On Gears of War 2, PCs, and Piracy
27. Re: No subject Sep 29, 2008, 23:53 Tomas
But apparently 'some profit' isn't 'enough profit'. Making money just isn't what it was in the past. If it's not a million-seller it's not worth it (even if it DOES turn a profit). Hell, a digital distribution-only release on the PC is totally feasible and yet they still shun the increased income stream that method would produce.

I think what most people here who aren't involved in that side of the PC business don't understand is what "some profit" really is. There are still a lot of costs involved with porting unless you want a really bad port (which we've all seen done and moaned about). So as a business you have to sit down and put the numbers on paper - often they just don't make sense when you consider the cost vs. risk analysis. Sure they might make money on the port, but they also might lose money. Considering how many good games don't make profit the chances are often simply too high to make it worth the effort.

As for online sales models I think you're right and wrong. It does provide an interesting option and many companies are testing those waters. Look at how many games that aren't Valve productions are now on Steam. There's a reason that other companies are trying it out but there are also reasons some aren't yet.

I find it funny how people like to over simplify things. The PC games market has always been full of big successes and big failures. The sad truth is these days the investment risk is significantly higher and therefore the concern over failure is that much greater.

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News Comments > On Gears of War 2, PCs, and Piracy
15. Re: No subject Sep 29, 2008, 23:03 Tomas
Cliffy B is a traitor to PC gaming. What has changed about PC piracy between when Unreal got released and now? Nothing.

Mmm, there was this small thing called the internet. In the old days pirating software was mostly something you did with people you knew in real life. Sure there were the few BBS guys and a few groups like that but it was nothing near as common as it is today. To pretend this isn't the case is silly.

I'm not sure why people here on Blue's News won't accept that piracy is infinitely more easy these days on the PC than it was in the past.

If Cliff doesn't want to release games on PC that's his prerogative - tons of companies don't. If you look at sales performance statistics and see that the average console games' sales are generally better than that of the average PC game's sales then why wouldn't you hedge your bets by going with the more solid fiscal choice? Sucks for us PC gamers, but that's not his problem.

The fact remains that most guys I know who are PC gamers pirate games and those who are console gamers don't. Whether its the state of their technical savvy or something else the proof is still in the pudding.

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News Comments > WAR Bonus with RA3
6. No subject Sep 3, 2008, 04:34 Tomas
These are the types of promos that make me not want to buy games. If you can't get it in game you shouldn't be able to get it from some other source. Why companies think pissing off potential customers is a good idea just confuses me.

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News Comments > Majesty 2: The Fantasy Kingdom Sim Movie
2. No subject Aug 25, 2008, 23:02 Tomas
I don't know if it needs more evil - the first was fun without it. But I really hope it doesn't include added suck.

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News Comments > More on WAR Credits
21. No subject Aug 25, 2008, 22:53 Tomas
The game industry is already competitive enough without people not being able to get credit where due. If I'd worked on a title and didn't get credit I'd be pissed. I wonder if there's legal recourse for such a thing - I hate to suggest suing, but this is the type of thing that damages someones career opportunities.

The sad part is in this day and age it's cake to update the credits as well. If you miss someone add them in during a patch...but intentionally excluding people is just nasty. Makes me wonder if I want to spend my money on Mythic products in the future.

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News Comments > SAGA Expands
2. Re: No subject Aug 25, 2008, 15:48 Tomas
SAGA is more or less completely different than it was 5 months ago - I'm still playing and it gets better with each patch. The devs are probably one of the few teams that actually listen to their player base and make adjustments/features based on what people want. Anyhow, it still has a fully free trial which only has a few features missing so I recommend you try it out. The new undead are pretty cool - I just made my nation and am having fun trying things out.

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News Comments > Divine Divinity 2: Ego Draconis Revealed
25. No subject Aug 8, 2008, 13:59 Tomas
DD was a pretty fun game. A few bugs (my main game the first time got "stuck" and I did give up before the end) but I really enjoyed it up until the show stopper. It's definitely not as polished as say Diablo 2, but it's got a lot more meat to it. I'm pretty sure you can pick it up in a bargain bin for under 10 bucks which is a pretty good deal if you like RPGs.

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News Comments > Crytek: PC Sales to Piracy Ratio 1:15 or 1:20
38. No subject Jun 27, 2008, 20:30 Tomas
There are other ways to pirate than via torrents...but I think everyone more or less thinks those numbers are a wee bit high. =)

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News Comments > Crytek: PC Sales to Piracy Ratio 1:15 or 1:20
33. Re: No subject Jun 27, 2008, 19:35 Tomas
If his numbers are somehow right I'm sure they'd really be happy to have that 30% you suggest. Granted both numbers have zero authority without some information on where they came from, but 30% of 15 million copies is a big deal.

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News Comments > Jumpgate Evolution Beta Sign-ups
9. Just took a few hours to get the email Jun 26, 2008, 18:48 Tomas
It took a while but I got it. I believe it's done by Codemasters too so you can't blame NetDevil for the email system - at least so it would seem. Either way hopefully I'll get a slot in the closed beta - I am dying to try out something new in the sci-fi genre.

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News Comments > Dungeon Lords Follow-up Details
3. No subject Jun 25, 2008, 21:45 Tomas
I've seen some pretty broken and incomplete games...but this one takes the cake. Funny part is I still kind of liked it but it was like eating cake and getting kicked in the nuts. You wanted to enjoy it but in the end it just wasn't worth it.

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News Comments > On Linux Game Piracy
43. Re: Not a surprise at all. Jun 25, 2008, 04:01 Tomas
"It's easy to get estimates for pirated copies in circulation. if you get 3 times as many downloads for the latest patch than you sold copies, you know its not bored people downloading the same patch 3 times. "

Too bad we can't get data like that for console games. I'm curious what the ratio is for bought vs. pirated on consoles.

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News Comments > On Linux Game Piracy
41. No subject Jun 25, 2008, 03:55 Tomas
Not very fair...

Ion Storm: Deus Ex, Thief Deadly Shadows - two of the best games in the last 10 years IMO.

Troika: Bloodlines while buggy and a bit unfinished was a whole lot of fun. Troika also was very creative - Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura was a near huge hit and did some pretty neat stuff with the RPG genre.

Interplay: You managed to avoid all their big titles like Fallout and the tiny title Baldur's Gate which nobody played, right?

Black Isle: Heavily involved with Fallout, but on their own also had Planescape: Torment which is to this day still considered by many RPG enthusiasts one of the best CRPGS. They also did Icewind Dale which was pretty cool. Oh, and I enjoyed the Dark Alliance console stuff - a nice simple, fun fantasy romp.

Iron Lore: Titan Quest - really solid game but somehow didn't quite hit its stride marketing wise.

So really...those are some pretty great studios which made some pretty great titles. Sure you can argue marketing issues and other problems but they those were some big studios in their day. To be honest I'd rather have them back than most of the studios that make console games. =)

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News Comments > On Linux Game Piracy
33. No subject Jun 25, 2008, 02:52 Tomas
Useful things to consider when attempting to argue about piracy:

- The ratio of PC studios to console studios that go out of business each year.

- The ease of pirating on PC vs. that of consoles.

- The inherent complications with pirating on PC vs. those of consoles.

- The number of PC capable players vs. the number of console players.

- The ratio of players who would rather play on a PC to those who would rather play on a console.

Everyone wants to spin the argument they way they like but nobody seems to be looking at factors that could actually spread some truth on the situation. Look at some of the real numbers and then make an educated statement.

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News Comments > Anti-Piracy Chip?
84. It always makes me laugh May 24, 2008, 18:32 Tomas
I find it funny that pro-piracy advocates use the argument that hardly anyone pirating would have bought the game. Or the argument that they only pirate if they don't have the money. I used to be like you guys...but I had the money...and I still rarely bought the game even if I liked it because why would I pay for it after I already had it and enjoyed it? Hey, it was free so I was able to spend my money on other things and still enjoy the game. That was my way until I saw studio after studio fold - you know, the ones that made the games I was enjoying.

Pretend all you want that piracy doesn't affect things but deep down you know it does. How much? That's up for debate, but all of you screaming for proof how about you show some proof it doesn't hurt? It's like trying to prove or disprove the existence of God. Good luck...unless you can get everyone who ever plays a game to report whether they stole it or not you're not going to prove anything - but you can look at the trends. Consoles make more money. Yes you can pirate console games, but most people I know who play consoles don't have a clue how you'd even start to pirate a game unless it's as easy as buying a mod chip. On the other hand, almost everyone I know who uses a PC, even those who are about as ignorant as possible, know how to use some P2P/torrent system to get free games. It's just 100 times easier on PC to pirate. Actually I think it would be fun to see how many people on this forum know how to pirate PC vs. console games. And then see how many of each they've pirated. How much do you want to be the console pirates are a much rarer breed?

My only beef with anti-piracy methods these days are things which interfere with my ability to use something I own. If it's non-invasive, and doesn't ask me to verify every time, or put in a CD or login to some stupid site to verify I'm legit then I'm pretty darn happy. Show me that and I'll be a happy gamer. But I'm done making lame excuses for pirating. It's human nature...why pay for something if you can get it for free.

It makes me laugh - I've lived all over the world and everywhere I've been people are the same. They pirate any game that's easy to find. The others they buy. All other arguments fall short in my experience.

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News Comments > Anti-Piracy Chip?
35. I'd actually love to see this work May 24, 2008, 03:13 Tomas
To be honest a non-invasive anti-piracy chip would be quite welcome to me. It would take away the excuses for crappy products not selling and I think it would push the publishers to actually make better games. But I'm skeptical at best...I'd love to see how they think this will be so secure.

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News Comments > Majesty 2 Announced
3. No subject Apr 18, 2008, 16:56 Tomas
Awesome - I loved and still promote Majesty 1 to people. Such a fun and unique take on RTS. I hope they do as good a job as the guys at Cyberlore did. A lot of love went into the first one. =)

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News Comments > SAGA to Expand
3. Re: No subject Apr 11, 2008, 19:27 Tomas
Oh, and I'm really stoked about the undead...the Brotherhood Alliance needed another faction.

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