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News Comments > Op Ed
34. Re: Op Ed Dec 4, 2013, 16:42 Beamer
 
Agent.X7 wrote on Dec 4, 2013, 16:36:
Creston wrote on Dec 4, 2013, 16:21:
bigCstyle wrote on Dec 4, 2013, 16:14:
Well... after all the trolling, incompetence, anti-consumer, anti-community, borderline illegal (or more) practices from the gaming industry in general over the years... I no longer pay more than 10 dollars for a game anymore anyway. Its a lot easier to take all this (outright) abuse when I stopped paying more than 10 dollars for a game.

Yup, that's exactly how to do it. I'm absolutely done with pre-ordering, and unless it's something I'm absolutely dying to play, I'm not buying shit day one anymore either. Too many devs think they can release plain unfinished shit for me to feel like I owe them full price anymore.

I'll buy their games on sale or not at all.

I usually wait unless it's something I really want to play. Infinite is a fantastic game for $9.99. Not sure I would be as enthused had I paid $60. (Well, OK, I get mine wholesale for the most part, but still...)

Battlefield? Glitches and all I would still buy the next one day one. Of course, it's pretty much the only multiplayer I play for 2 years.

It all depends on opinion, of course. I ordered the super expensive Reckoning CE. Not sorry at all. Loved the game, loved the cool statue. Most people look at me like I am crazy when I recommend that game.

Everyone seems to love GTA V, I wasn't so hot on it.

What was the topic?


I think I preordered Infinte because Amazon ofered $20 off. Maybe it was only $10. In any case, I preordered it about 5 minutes before Amazon took the preorder down, and I consider it worth every dime.

I bought GTAV for $15 off due to the talk on this board and, honestly, didn't like it much. I thought the SeanBaby takedown of it on Cracked.com earlier this week was spot-on. I just have to accept that I don't really like this series, even though I go nuts for Saints Row. So close, yet so far.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
32. Re: Op Ed Dec 4, 2013, 16:29 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Dec 4, 2013, 16:21:
bigCstyle wrote on Dec 4, 2013, 16:14:
Well... after all the trolling, incompetence, anti-consumer, anti-community, borderline illegal (or more) practices from the gaming industry in general over the years... I no longer pay more than 10 dollars for a game anymore anyway. Its a lot easier to take all this (outright) abuse when I stopped paying more than 10 dollars for a game.

Yup, that's exactly how to do it. I'm absolutely done with pre-ordering, and unless it's something I'm absolutely dying to play, I'm not buying shit day one anymore either. Too many devs think they can release plain unfinished shit for me to feel like I owe them full price anymore.

I'll buy their games on sale or not at all.

I've been that way for years. I didn't even buy X-COM full price, and I haven't purchased the expansion yet, and I loved that game.

At this point, my backlog is so damn long that it makes no sense for me to buy something unless I plan to play it immediately, as prices always fall. For pre-ordering, I'll only do it if I get it for $20 off on Amazon, which they do occasionally. Otherwise, nothing is hard to buy so why bother?

Steam has definitely ruined me, too, but I also have something like 180 games on Steam and have played approximately 20% of them, so, honestly, I'm spending more than I would if I bought what I planned to play full price, anyway.
 
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News Comments > Windows/Xbox Convergence Coming?
45. Re: Windows/Xbox Convergence Coming? Dec 4, 2013, 13:48 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Dec 4, 2013, 12:18:
Noooooooooo! Really??

I told you everyone was celebrating too early when they announced they were killing GfmfWL. They're just replacing it with XboxLive/Threshold, which'll be just as shit on the PC.

Only if they shut down anything not coming through the Windows Store.
Considering how massively successful they are without it, and how they haven't forced the Windows Store with Windows 8, I highly doubt it's in their long term plans. Much like how Apple hasn't forced it with OSX.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
20. Re: Op Ed Dec 4, 2013, 13:46 Beamer
 
Agent.X7 wrote on Dec 4, 2013, 13:25:
Beamer wrote on Dec 4, 2013, 13:19:
Agent.X7 wrote on Dec 4, 2013, 13:15:
Here's the issue from the seller's point of view:

What's to say that you didn't buy the game, beat it, and now you just want to return it for a full refund so that you basically rented it at my expense? And brick and mortar stores (like me) get the added benefit of it now being used and we can no longer sell it at the new price, thus losing money.

I get people in my store every single day with some lame ass excuse for why they need to return things. Some people may even be telling the truth, but how am I supposed to tell? Thus the rule gets applied equally to everyone.

As far as the game not working? That should be on the manufacturer, just like any new item that gets sold.

There are ways to tell if that's happening, as I mentioned below:
1) Steam tracks how long you play a game. So, give people an hour limit
2) There may be ways around that, so also give it a real-time from purchase limit. 3 days. No one should beat any game in 3 days
3) And monitor returns. Some people will play a game 72 straight hours and try to return it. If you see people returning an inordinate amount of games, flag them as abusing the system and penalize them somehow


Steam can handle this much better than GameStop can, because it has far more data.

#1 - sure, good for Steam.
#2 - Horseshit. So many games have single player campaigns that are only hours long. Hell, I'd have beaten Bioshock: Infinite already if it wasn't for my new monitor dying (Can't go back to playing on the old one, new one spoiled me.) and I'm on like 11 hours played or something.
#3 - And Steam is supposed to just suck up the loss from their first 4 or 5 bullshit returns?

1) We're discussing Steam, not shitholes like GameStop
2) The 3 days is only to try to stop people scamming. It isn't the greater of 3 days or an hour, it's the lesser of. But I doubt most people are finishing any game within 3 days. There are outliers, and you may be one of them, but that's not a common thing
3) Yes. Yes they are. It's good customer service. Do you know what happens to companies with good customer service? Their growth increases. Do you know what happens to companies with bad customer service? They die out. Offering things your customers want, that makes them happy, will lead to more revenues. That increase in revenue is almost certain to outpace the fraud. Or, you can let a few morons completely ruin the experience for everyone else because you're too shortsighted to look at the big picture of increased growth and only look at the easier-to-measure losses from a few morons
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
18. Re: Op Ed Dec 4, 2013, 13:19 Beamer
 
Agent.X7 wrote on Dec 4, 2013, 13:15:
Here's the issue from the seller's point of view:

What's to say that you didn't buy the game, beat it, and now you just want to return it for a full refund so that you basically rented it at my expense? And brick and mortar stores (like me) get the added benefit of it now being used and we can no longer sell it at the new price, thus losing money.

I get people in my store every single day with some lame ass excuse for why they need to return things. Some people may even be telling the truth, but how am I supposed to tell? Thus the rule gets applied equally to everyone.

As far as the game not working? That should be on the manufacturer, just like any new item that gets sold.

There are ways to tell if that's happening, as I mentioned below:
1) Steam tracks how long you play a game. So, give people an hour limit
2) There may be ways around that, so also give it a real-time from purchase limit. 3 days. No one should beat any game in 3 days
3) And monitor returns. Some people will play a game 72 straight hours and try to return it. If you see people returning an inordinate amount of games, flag them as abusing the system and penalize them somehow


Steam can handle this much better than GameStop can, because it has far more data.
 
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News Comments > Windows/Xbox Convergence Coming?
22. Re: Windows/Xbox Convergence Coming? Dec 4, 2013, 12:10 Beamer
 
nin wrote on Dec 4, 2013, 11:56:
ASeven wrote on Dec 4, 2013, 11:54:
Question now is, will Win9 go back to what made 7 great or will it simply be another continuation of the Win8 design choices.

If this article is correct, they appear to be doubling down on stupid.


Maybe they'll wisen up and realize that they can just create a different GUI for each form factor.

But probably not.
 
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News Comments > Evening Legal Briefs
25. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Dec 4, 2013, 11:30 Beamer
 
PHJF wrote on Dec 4, 2013, 08:24:
Never mind it was already mentioned there being an amendment to the constitution explicitly for your comparison, you're trying to say firearms are in no way controlled by legislation? Get real. You want to make stupid comparisons, fine, I'll play. The people running hotfile weren't manufacturing guns, they ran a gun store, and all they did was sell guns to criminals.

And how do you police 5+ million users?

PROBABLY THE SAME WAY YOUTUBE DOES???????????

Ding ding ding.

Hotfile, a corporation, knew what it was being used for. It made no attempt to dissuade this. It was pretty happy profiting off of illegal activity.

Were there legit uses? Sure. Ostensibly. But that doesn't mean they don't have a responsibility to try to make sure illegal uses are curbed. I'm not saying they were obligated to make sure absolutely no legal activity happened, but they're responsible to do something.

I dunno, this is so weirdly libertarian to me. "I'm just going to walk forward and swing my arms like this. If you get hit, it's your fault for not getting out of the way. I'm not responsible!"
 
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News Comments > Evening Legal Briefs
24. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Dec 4, 2013, 11:26 Beamer
 
InBlack wrote on Dec 3, 2013, 07:01:
Krovven wrote on Dec 3, 2013, 02:26:
Beamer wrote on Dec 2, 2013, 20:58:
It really depends on the purpose of the service, doesn't it?
If I create HireaHitman.com, a service designed for people to hire hitmen, and charge a listing fee, can I use the "it's just a service, it isn't my fault people choose to use it for illegal means!" argument? What about if someone starts a child pornography subreddit and reddit does nothing to stop it?

Yes it does depend on the service. Both of your stupid examples are illegal. Sharing files is not illegal. Whose files they are is what determines it to be illegal. Hiring a hitman and child pornography are both illegal and there is no legal application of either, now is there?

Considering you are a lawyer...you'd think you could come up with a better example to try and make your point.

I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to accomplish with your argument in this thread. Cutter is correct in that the service has legitimate applications. The question is whether they did enough to filter illegal sharing of files.

I have to agree with Krovven here. The same stupid bullshit argument could then be used with regards to gun manufacturers, and IMO its a much stronger argument in that case. (Even though basically its still bullshit)

I already addressed the gun issue. The answer is easy: the Constitution. It does not belong in this discussion for that reason.

You'd think people getting into political discussions would realize that...
 
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News Comments > Windows/Xbox Convergence Coming?
16. Re: Windows/Xbox Convergence Coming? Dec 4, 2013, 11:23 Beamer
 
Why is anyone surprised? I've been saying this for years, and I know most of you have seen it, too. They're moving to a 3 screen system (well, 5 I guess.) Start a game on your Xbox. Continue that game on the train to work on your phone or tablet. Play it during lunch on your laptop. Play it again on your phone or tablet, and maybe go online on your desktop that evening.

Makes perfect sense. In fact, it's the only smart thing they're doing. Now, will they screw it up with stupid costs? Probably. But the idea itself is equal parts obvious and brilliant. Xbox's next version, meaning 8 or so years out, will almost definitely be an environment and nothing else. So long as Windows stays open, and it has shown no signs of trying to close down (a closed store isn't a sign of a closed OS), it really doesn't change much at all.

As for Steambox, it will never hit prime time because Valve is too cautious. People don't want to deal with that. We might, but the general public doesn't. Is a Dell Steambox better than an ibuypower Steambox? Why is this one more expensive than that one? What's the difference between an 8570 and 7970 graphics card? Is 8GB of RAM enough or should I buy 12GB? How much longer will 12GB last me than 8GB? I bought my Steambox 2 years ago, can it still run everything? We may love these questions, but we're niche. The average buyers, the ones a product needs to be a breakthrough success, like consoles because they buy one, put it on the shelf for 3-8 years, and never worry about upgrading it or whether it can run the latest games or if they bought the right one. Outside of manufacturing issues, it just works. And when it doesn't work, it's broken. There's no grey area.

Valve needed a better way than releasing a basic feature set and saying "ok, people, go build an interpretation." I probably would have done Levels. There's Steambox Level 1, Steambox Level 2, etc., and games would be rated to work on Steambox Level X. People buy based on levels, so if one company's Level 1 box is cheaper than another's, you know that's the better deal.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
8. Re: Op Ed Dec 4, 2013, 11:15 Beamer
 
ldonyo wrote on Dec 4, 2013, 10:57:
Valve's policy is no different than any other outlet's return policy on software. Try asking EA for a refund on an Origin purchase and see how far you get. Try taking software back to a brick and mortar store for a refund after you've opened it and see what happens. Picking on Valve for the sake of picking on Valve is just plain childish.

Valve is the only one big enough to force change.

Honestly, doing a return policy of 3 days, or 1 hour of game play, whichever comes first, is something I think many devs/publishers would be ok with. Valve can track that 1 hour easily, and the 3 days is kind of crap (I very, very rarely even install a game within 3 days of purchase) but it does assure people don't find ways to play offline then return without Valve being aware of the time spent in game (I'd argue no game should be finished within 3 days by anyone other than the nutjobs who don't sleep.)

There's work to be done here. There's innovation that can be done here. Valve is not only customer-obsessed enough (of course, the publishers are also their customers) but large enough to force points.
 
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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
49. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 3, 2013, 16:42 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Dec 3, 2013, 16:34:
Beamer wrote on Dec 3, 2013, 16:25:
You can alt-tab out and save your file in Ironman by creating a copy of the save file in Explorer. I think, but could be misremembering, that it doesn't save until you finish. It's possible it's after every turn - I honestly can't remember.

Regardless, I would save it before every other mission or so. That way, if I hit a bug (I thankfully never did) I could restore without having an entire numerous-hour playthrough lost.

But if you're doing that, why not just save yourself all that hassle and just play non Iron Man, and force yourself to stick to the iron man rules?

I basically play Iron Man, except when a unit goes somewhere because of either the image lagging and instead of going four steps to take a shot, he winds up dashing right next to the Muton, or because it's right click to move, always right click to move, EXCEPT when you're around a corner, and then suddenly left click moves you around the corner. (I mean, WTF Ananda Gupta???)

Those things I reload for. Fuck that noise. I play games to enjoy myself, not to get my blood pressure up to 250 over 190 because the game does something fucking stupid.

But if I run my guy out to get some Meld and, oh joy, he awakens a Mechtoid, yeah, I'm gonna have to suck it. (Protip: Only run for Meld with an invisible trooper, or with a Mech Trooper.)

I guess it depends on where your willpower is, haha. I liked having a backup, but also liked Ironman. It very, very much changed how I played. I think I'd cut corners if I wasn't on Ironman.
 
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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
46. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 3, 2013, 16:25 Beamer
 
You can alt-tab out and save your file in Ironman by creating a copy of the save file in Explorer. I think, but could be misremembering, that it doesn't save until you finish. It's possible it's after every turn - I honestly can't remember.

Regardless, I would save it before every other mission or so. That way, if I hit a bug (I thankfully never did) I could restore without having an entire numerous-hour playthrough lost.
 
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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
41. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 3, 2013, 15:45 Beamer
 
I think it's the best expansion pack ever released for anything. Ever.

Really?
Wow.
I'll pick it up soon. Absolutely loved the actual game - did two 30ish hour playthroughs and very eager to do another.

 
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News Comments > Steam Breaks 7M Concurrent Users
33. Re: Steam Breaks 7M Concurrent Users Dec 3, 2013, 14:17 Beamer
 
avianflu wrote on Dec 3, 2013, 09:27:
the only good thing about the success of Steam is that it will eventually -- eventually -- destroy Origin and Uplay.

There's a lot more good than that.
Plus, it is what inspired those two. And, really, neither is doing much. But I'm ok with competition, though I see little point to using anything but Steam at the moment.

Really, there's an enormous amount of great things about the success of Steam.
 
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News Comments > Morning Tech Bits
13. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2013, 12:47 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Dec 3, 2013, 12:44:
Beamer wrote on Dec 3, 2013, 12:40:
This adds value to... who?

Other than themselves?

Like you said, it's just what they hope will be a cash cow for themselves. "HAI GUYZ GIVE US 500 BUCKS AND YOU CAN PUT THIS USELESS STICKER ON YOUR GAME!"

I hope every single dev and publisher tells them to go fuck themselves.

I mean, for that money, I can't see them doing any testing or validation. Just a sticker. And is there really much fear from consumers on PC products? If it's on Steam, I think people trust it. Yeah, I get that Walmart and the like sell weird, shady boxed stuff, but people trust things from actual computer stores and from actual computer companies.

 
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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
22. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 3, 2013, 12:42 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Dec 3, 2013, 11:27:
Verno wrote on Dec 3, 2013, 11:12:
nin wrote on Dec 3, 2013, 10:59:
Is this shit for real? (warning: loud profanity)



This is old news, people were posting videos of it the day of the PS4 launch. It's an NBA2k14 thing, I've had it call fouls when I do the same thing because I left the headset plugged in.

That's literally the dumbest fucking thing ever witnessed in video games. I can see it happening if you're playing online, but in single player? What.The.Fuck?

Next year Microsoft will roll out the functionality where the NSA penalizes you if you're doing something they don't like.

Microsoft didn't do this - as mentioned, it does it on the PS3 and PS4, too.

Do you watch basketball? Coaches are called for fouls if they scream obscenities at the refs. This is a tongue-in-cheek reference to that. It isn't censoring you for swearing, it's censoring you for screaming at the game, just like real life.

Again, I find it hysterical.
 
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News Comments > Morning Tech Bits
9. Re: Morning Tech Bits Dec 3, 2013, 12:40 Beamer
 
This adds value to... who?

Other than themselves?
 
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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
15. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 3, 2013, 11:08 Beamer
 
nin wrote on Dec 3, 2013, 10:59:
Is this shit for real? (warning: loud profanity)



It's done that on the 360 for years. I think it's kind of brilliant - the one use of Kinect I'd say is well done.
 
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News Comments > Evening Legal Briefs
12. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Dec 3, 2013, 00:28 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Dec 2, 2013, 22:18:
Your argument is specious. Product or service, if people choose to use it illegally you can't hold the creator liable. As a bartender I've always been deeply offended that I'm somehow legally responsible from preventing people from getting drunk. Why? Why am I responsible for their choices? And when you have a site with - potentially - millions of people using it, asking someone to police it is absurd. How do you know those torrents are actually illegal? Are you checking each and every one of them? Where the hell would you find the time for it or be able to afford the staff to do it. If you're saying they're responsible than so is everyone else. It's not just some arbitrary 'Well it applies to some people, but not others.' That, my friend, is the basest form of discrimination. And all it does is allow the big guys to pick on the little guys without proving anything. If the MPAA is so set on this then let them pay to police the sites and provide takedowns of things they can prove. Not just carte blanche sweeping indictments without proof. We still have a legal system that's predicated on innocent until proven guilty. At least for a little while longer before your corporate masters decide to do away with that as well.

Bartenders have gone to jail, rightfully, for overserving. There have been cases where people literally drank themselves to death in a bar. The bartender, aware they were impaired and doing damage, just kept serving them. Hey, it isn't their fault the guy overdosed on alcohol, right?
Nope, sorry, there's a legal obligation to use some judgment.

How can it be policed? Again, I'm not arguing specifically to this - you're stating someone should never be liable, then you argue in what's a fairly clear grey area. But fine, look at Megaupload and ignore how it was illegally seized. Kim Dot Com made no attempt to take down illegal files that were actively identified as illegal. He bragged about running the world's largest pirate site. His license plate was "PIRATE." And you're saying he's not at all responsible?

Sorry, you're giving some kind of weird libertarian dream here. "I can do whatever I want, and I'm not responsible for any of it unless I'm actively doing it." Sorry, you have responsibilities in this world. Sometimes you need to think about how what you've created will be used. If you're actively fostering illegal activity, you can't always look the other way. At some point, since you're the one enabling it, since you're aware of it, and since you may be promoting it, you have some responsibility for it.

Lastly, jesus, "corporate masters?" For fuckssake, Hotfile.com was a corporation, and I'm not even fucking arguing they did anything wrong. I'm arguing that people are sometimes responsible for what other people do. You're arguing they never are. You're making the blanket statement. And stop pretending they were some little guy in a basement - they were a multimillion dollar corporation based out of Panama.

Aren't you one of those guys that has mocked the McDonald's coffee lawsuit before, claiming McDonald's had no responsibility to serve people a cup of coffee that can't cause first degree burns that require skin grafts?
 
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News Comments > Evening Legal Briefs
11. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Dec 3, 2013, 00:22 Beamer
 
Scud wrote on Dec 2, 2013, 23:20:
Beamer wrote on Dec 2, 2013, 20:58:
Cutter wrote on Dec 2, 2013, 18:59:
Well if we can't call the MPAA leeches and scumbags I suppose that's only fair. Yeah, gotta be careful who you call a pirate or thief or you'll be dragging the US Gov't into court next.

Seriously though, they're just providing a service. It people choose to use it for illegal purposes that's hardly their fault. If the Mafia uses Microsoft products does that mean MS is in collusion with the mob?


It really depends on the purpose of the service, doesn't it?
If I create HireaHitman.com, a service designed for people to hire hitmen, and charge a listing fee, can I use the "it's just a service, it isn't my fault people choose to use it for illegal means!" argument? What about if someone starts a child pornography subreddit and reddit does nothing to stop it?

At some point you are responsible for how people use the tools you create. Whether this is at that point or not can be debated, but "just providing a service" isn't a blanket defense.

Your argument turns into a straw man when we realize that the site in question is named Hotfile, not something like PirateCopyrightedStuff.com. Your two examples blatantly advertise that the site in question is dedicated to illegal activities (ie contract killers and child pornography)while Hotfile could be anything.

So, you're focusing solely on the name aspect? Why not the rest?

And, frankly, don't say my argument is a straw man if you don't know the meaning of the term. Cutter is saying that someone is never liable for how something they created is used. That is what I'm arguing against - no straw man there. You are arguing that I'm saying hotfile is liable. That's a straw man. I've repeatedly said I'm arguing independent of Hotfile. You're getting into straw man specifics I am not making. I'm simply saying that there are plenty of cases where someone should be, and is, held liable for something they created being used in an illegal manner.
 
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