InBlack wrote on Feb 6, 2013, 10:38:
I think someone needs to bring Carmack up to speed, as he is obviously totally unaware of what Valve's plans are. Its obvious that he wrote this post as a quick response to Besset's post without taking the time to look at what Valve is actually doing.

Also as far as I know Valve has no plans of emulating Linux support, they wants to build a "console" which would basically be a special PC running on a version of Linux.

If they push this "console" aggresively and get some large software developers aboard you can bet your fucking ASS Zenimax is going to want a piece of that.

An obvious side benefit of a console that uses Linux as an OS is that PCs would be able to run the same games natively without any porting whatsoever.

So Carmack while usually well informed, managed to look pretty bad with this shit.

dardin wrote on Feb 6, 2013, 10:59:
I really don't care what Carmack thinks about anything game related anymore. He is so out of touch with the genera. His thoughts are pretty much irrelevant. When is the last time ID Software even developed a really good game?

Last one I can think of was Doom III in 2004 which graphically at the time was good. The game itself was pretty sub par and the multiplayer was completely worthless. Please do not mention Rage, because that game which if you have played it was cut short and shipped incomplete. One minute you are playing that game running a typical mission and the next minute the game suddenly ends for no reason. I sat at my computer for a good 5 minutes trying to figure out WTF just happened. So for me the last good memories I have of ID was Quake III back in 1999.

InBlack wrote on Feb 6, 2013, 10:41:
Jesus that was bad movie. Timothy Olyphant should never have signed on. I mean where is he now? I predict another commercially successful major fail for this flick as well.

Gas Bandit wrote on Feb 6, 2013, 10:24:
So this time, are they going to cast Jason Statham like they should ha...

...Paul Walker...

... Never mind.

/throws up hands and walks away

John wrote on Feb 6, 2013, 10:01:
I can understand required an internet connection for initial setup and account login, but it better not be required just to play a game.

Verno wrote on Feb 6, 2013, 09:35:
Skyfall was great until the home alone portion of the film. I know they ran out of money but it was still a disappointment compared to the jet setting, bombastic build up to that point. For a movie with budget problems it sure had a long runtime too. I'd give it an 8/10.

Creston wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 22:10:

Beamer wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 15:35:
As someone that has moved around the country and been in cities big and small (though never rural or suburban), I can say that I'd happily take much less disposable income and have more options at hand. The Midwestern city I live in now blows. Good food is hard to find, you need to drive almost everywhere, the lack of upper echelon schools deemphasized education and overemphasized getting pregnant so finding an intelligent, educated, attractive single girl is neigh impossible, etc.

Being a single guy with a lot of money in a small to mid sized city is far less entertaining than being one with much less money in a big city.

Overly absurd stereotypes, ahoi! Yes, Beamer, I'm sure there are no attractive and intelligent girls to be found anywhere, nor is there anything to eat in your city.

I've said this about a billion times before, but let me take one more stab at it: Your personal experience does not somehow equate to "this is how the rest of humanity feels about it as well."

I think quite a few of these devs, if given the chance between working in Shitsville, Arkansas, or Cool Single Dude Town, California, would work in Shitsville if doing so meant they'd have a far better chance of their studio surviving throughout the years. Not all of them, surely, but I think quite a few would happily make that sacrifice. Because it's not just THEIR personal lives that cost less, it's also the expenses of the place they work for, and thus it has a better chance of surviving as well.

But hey, I don't really give two shits. They can all work in studios in Silicon Valley if that makes them happy. I'll just nod knowingly when Yet Another Dev Studio can't pay its bills because they went without a contract for a month and thus goes belly-up.

Creston

Rigs wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 15:51:
There's a dev down there in Texas land...some big developer but the name escapes me at the moment...hmmm, made some marginally effective FPS's in the 1990's called Doom and Quake. Heard of them?

I want to know why there's such a dearth of good art talent for games these days? All these 16-bit (or, god forbid, 8-bit like 'Hotline Miami' and 'I seek the troof') wannabes with they're 'art' is making me cross-eyed. C'mon, fellas, it was fun at first, but now you're just trying to hard to look like you're not trying...


=-Rigs-=

jamiedj99 wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 15:26:
in canada my isp is setting up free wi-fi for its subsribers all over the province of bc its a nice extra feature. its a slow proccess but its slowly getting better

Creston wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 15:31:

nin wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 14:36:
Infinity Ward used to be here in Tulsa, but I'm pretty sure they've moved...and Texas has dev houses springing up all the time.

Yeah, they've long since moved to Austin, I believe. There was a sega developer here in Tulsa, but they've gone belly-up as well.

It makes no sense to me that dev houses, especially nowadays, sit in these fucking ridiculously expensive areas. Your code works just as well if you code it in fucking Wichita, fellas. You just save yourself about a million dollars in living expenses a year.

Creston

Cutter wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 14:55:

McSterls wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 13:55:
I think they saw Notch made $101 million last year and the costs skyrocketed. How bout not making the game int he Bay area or structuring peoples salaries so that they get less money upfront and a percentage on the back end. There are all sorts of creative ways to bring a project together, it's not like studios aren't collapsing all over the place and developers are letting their people go to a jobless future.

Exactly. Call it 10 guys at 50k each + points on sales. Why needlessly pay a premium to run an office in one of the most expensive cities in the world? Point I was making is they could do it for about 2 million or less, they simply choose not to.

Orphic Resonance wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 14:37:

Beamer wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 14:26:
I agree that this is what Notch was thinking, but it's naive. The simple fact that it's a 3D with fairly open levels (not open world, but open levels) adds to the cost immensely.

And I don't think DoubleFine is set up to do this kind of work. So they'd have to hire people. A lot of people. And there are costs associated with that.

To do it cheaper much of the style would have to be altered, and the gameplay along with it. Which isn't to say it's impossible, but it would be a very different game.

but thats purely rampant overblown speculation on your part, much like that "budget" you dreamed up

you seem to put a great deal of faith in your speculations, but i dont share that faith with you at all

so i would consider all of this windbaggery fairly pointless.. maybe you get more traction with the other kids around here tho

Flatline wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 14:21:

Verno wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 14:12:

rist3903 wrote on Feb 5, 2013, 13:59:
I think not making games in one of the most expensive places to live might be a good start.

The talent pool in the industry (in NA) tends to be concentrated in several areas and getting people to move or establishing a new location can be very costly. It's getting better but it takes time and people tend to hang around geographically to the big players as that's often where the jobs and projects are.

True be we are just now starting to limp out of 4 years of recession. It's an employer's market, and I know people would relocate all over NA for a steady job on their own time over the past few years.

Games industry however seems to have gotten bloated enough that they aren't fast-reacting like they used to be. Seems to me when dev studios can be planted just about anywhere and game sales are down, that getting some talent together in a place where cost of living is 1/3rd other parts of the country makes sense. Even if you don't cut pay correspondingly, your money goes a hell of a lot further.