theyarecomingforyou wrote on Feb 15, 2013, 10:16:

Beamer wrote on Feb 15, 2013, 10:02:
No, They touted DX11 for a while
I thought they stopped in 2011. Here they are in 2012 saying that no DX11 effects were implemented but were planned.

I remember seeing that article actually, but it certainly wasn't a confirmation of DX11 features - in fact it struck me as a confirmation that it WOULDN'T have DX11 effects. When combined with the lack of any follow up I honestly don't see how anybody could have been under the impression it would actually have DX11 features.

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 18:21:
I've been following the game casually over the years and never saw any mention of DX11. In fact I was under the distinct impression all along that it WOULDN'T have DX11 features, which is why I considered it a backwards step from AVP 2010.

ASeven wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 17:21:

Beamer wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 14:41:
Yes, I'm mocking you. You've been trumpeting the industry collapse for like 3 years.
So I'm mocking "very wrong." It's very early to say this is a sign of things being "very wrong." We know Valve is valued at over a billion dollars. If they actually accepted a buyout, especially at less than that, things would be "very wrong."

Go back to school and understand being made fun of. Well, my guess is that happened to you plenty at school, so you probably do understand.

But my point was that it's so ridiculously premature to sit here and say "clearly something is very wrong." It isn't clear at all. In fact, there's plenty of discussion in this very thread about how it may not imply things being even kind of wrong, let alone very wrong.


Tell me, though, what the hell am I apologizing for that you call me an apologist? Especially weird that you call me a corporate apologist and backing you is RollinThundr, who calls me a bleeding heart liberal. Those two are diametrically opposite, so you two should get some kind of conference and decide which I am.

Because you are a god damn publisher apologist. That you aren't aware of that is either sad or laughable, likely both.

As for the crash, I mean, sales have been rising for the past 3 years and no publishers have closed or their stocks crashed, am I right?!

Christ, you're as dumb as you're an apologist if you still can say that there won't be a crash, especially now. Just a few days ago Codemasters effectively ceased to exist as a publisher, becoming a dev house only. Nintendo, MS and Sony are in dire financial straits with MS losing money like hell due to their console department. Nintendo expects lower than expected WiiU sales as the demand for it is sinking fast. Demand for the next-gen consoles isn't as high as people expected it would be.

Yeah, this industry is headed for a golden age, for sure.

And as others pointed out, since you have no grasp of business management or basic finances, with the sort of workforce Valve employs being talented in multiple areas that they could be easily transfered to other departments and with Josh being fired, the same guy that also made Big Picture, Steam Mobile, came up with Daily Sales and a lot of promotions that brought Valve a lot of money, yeah, something is not quite right at Valve, a blind man can see it, but then again, you go beyond blind and become dumb of mind on purpose sometimes.

Get some common sense and some intelligence and then you'll probably be taken a bit more serious around here.

PropheT wrote on Feb 15, 2013, 00:48:

mag wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 21:57:
Still better than the 360 ones!

The 360 triggers are just about perfect.

So is the offset stick design that I see they didn't go with on the PS4 controller again.

RollinThundr wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 16:30:

Beamer wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 14:41:

ASeven wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 09:48:

Beamer wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 09:17:
Captain negative. Companies never let people go unless something is wrong!

For one, Jason wasn't the head of steam, he was the head of business development. Yes, this put Steam deals on his plate. It also put engine licensing on his plate.
If you're looking for an issue, Steam isn't signing companies up very quickly these days. They're somewhat saturated, and larger companies are trending towards leaving and opening their own store.
Then there was the WarZ failure.
And how successful has engine licensing been?

There are reasons you can find other than "OMG VALVE IS FALLING APART!"

Captain apologist. Go back to basic school and learn how to read!

I said something is very wrong, I didn't say Valve is falling apart. Go back to basic school and learn to read a message before you reply to it.

And yes, there's a lot of reasons for Jason to be fired, still news of firing at Valve are relatively unheard of. There may be something wrong at Valve, there may be not, however Valve is far from falling apart.

Yes, I'm mocking you. You've been trumpeting the industry collapse for like 3 years.
So I'm mocking "very wrong." It's very early to say this is a sign of things being "very wrong." We know Valve is valued at over a billion dollars. If they actually accepted a buyout, especially at less than that, things would be "very wrong."

Go back to school and understand being made fun of. Well, my guess is that happened to you plenty at school, so you probably do understand.

But my point was that it's so ridiculously premature to sit here and say "clearly something is very wrong." It isn't clear at all. In fact, there's plenty of discussion in this very thread about how it may not imply things being even kind of wrong, let alone very wrong.


Tell me, though, what the hell am I apologizing for that you call me an apologist? Especially weird that you call me a corporate apologist and backing you is RollinThundr, who calls me a bleeding heart liberal. Those two are diametrically opposite, so you two should get some kind of conference and decide which I am.

You're a game publisher apologist, doesn't mean you still can't be a bleeding heart lib.

Mr. Tact wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 15:11:
Let me guess, because you would have to be brain dead to pay a subscription to use Office 2013 when the best Office ever made was '97? Still use it at work and at home.

D_K_night wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 14:52:

avianflu wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 13:06:
Multiple firings like that dont happen unless there was some area of notable and chronic dysfunction.

We'll never know the whole story.

And plus Valve ain't exactly some company with many thousands of staff.

Didn't they say they were small, and intended to always remain small?

25 people out of a few hundred is not some trivial number.

ASeven wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 09:48:

Beamer wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 09:17:
Captain negative. Companies never let people go unless something is wrong!

For one, Jason wasn't the head of steam, he was the head of business development. Yes, this put Steam deals on his plate. It also put engine licensing on his plate.
If you're looking for an issue, Steam isn't signing companies up very quickly these days. They're somewhat saturated, and larger companies are trending towards leaving and opening their own store.
Then there was the WarZ failure.
And how successful has engine licensing been?

There are reasons you can find other than "OMG VALVE IS FALLING APART!"

Captain apologist. Go back to basic school and learn how to read!

I said something is very wrong, I didn't say Valve is falling apart. Go back to basic school and learn to read a message before you reply to it.

And yes, there's a lot of reasons for Jason to be fired, still news of firing at Valve are relatively unheard of. There may be something wrong at Valve, there may be not, however Valve is far from falling apart.

Dev wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 13:19:

Beamer wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 07:29:
But man oh man, I cannot wait for Kickstarter games to start coming out. I can't wait for people to realize that the aspirational graphics they saw are not nearly what they got. Can't wait for them to see that the features they were promised weren't there, or the stretch goals are there but totally unrealized.
Because this is going to happen. Not for the big ones, FTL was pretty much done, Wasteland looks awesome, but for some of the smaller ones? The early ones we backed because it seemed awesome and we were less critical then than we are now? We're going to get burned so much worse than anyone did here. I also think people are fairly aware of this now and much smarter about what they Kickstart.

Some small ones have already come out and I don't see that kinda tidal wave of kickstarter criticism. Such as Guns of Icarus online (which is now avail on steam).
The problems seem more to be that some of the smaller ones ran out of money and may not be released in a timely manner (or at all?). Such as one I backed announced a year delay.

Even if that kinda does happen, why would you be gleeful and anticipatory about it? Is having your personal beliefs validated worth destroying an entire system of alternative game funding to you?

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 10:17:
If anyone hasn't seen this comparison video then you really need to. The original preview footage is why I was initially looking forward to the game; the actual gameplay footage is a disgrace. Bait and switch.

Verno wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 09:37:
So..gambling basically? Weird.

eRe4s3r wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 09:03:
They had the money to waste 6 years on this though. And DX10 features would at least have made it a really pretty .. bad shooter.. on pc at least ;p

Still I think you are right, except I don't think Gearbox was money starved, they just didn't give a damn about the PC version, like always.

ASeven wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 08:18:

Dev wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 04:27:

ASeven wrote on Feb 14, 2013, 04:05:
Well, guess Valve's work environment is no longer as good as it was painted. You don't fire these many people without a damn good reason, like finacial overstreching.

Makes you wonder doesn't it? Especially since Gabe is "obsessed" with employee health, and generally to get hired at valve someone has to be somewhat of a generalist, so people can move their desks somewhat freely.

If they are having money problems they have to be spending it like NUTS though. They are bringing in such a huge amount, and no real visible things they are spending tons on. They certainly don't spend it on the steam GUI. They aren't pumping out tons of money losing games. In one interview they talked about spending a million on a hardware lab, but that's not all that much compared to the billions they bring in. I find it hard to believe that they are running out, but like I said this makes me wonder.

Apparently the head of Steam was also let go. Also, if no projects were canceled as Gabe says then why fire people? It doesn't add up and firing the guy that made Steam a powerhouse indicates something is very wrong withing Valve.