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News Comments > Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled
135. Re: Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled Mar 26, 2014, 10:53 Beamer
 
I'm surprised at how many people are going "well, people always thought Google would be a Search company!"

Google hasn't made many multi-billion dollar deals for something that seems like nothing. The closest would be Motorola, but even that was more for patents (which didn't end up worth anything.)

OR, which was sold for shockingly close to Motorola, has a fraction of the employees (all of which now have financial incentive to leave as soon as their shares vest), has never released anything, and is working in a field where there's no real differentiator that makes them special. The only single thing I can think of that makes them different than whomever jumps into VR next is that they did it first.
First mover advantage is a real thing, but not a $2 billion thing. I really fail to see why Facebook couldn't do what OR did and hire 10 people do make this product for them for 1/20th the cost. Other than the obvious, that the type of people that want VR headsets is currently a niche group that overlaps strongly with the type of people that would actively avoid buying a FB product if an alternative exists.
 
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News Comments > New Titanfall Game Modes Coming
8. Re: New Titanfall Game Modes Coming Mar 26, 2014, 10:51 Beamer
 
InBlack wrote on Mar 26, 2014, 10:49:
Mods, yeah I know what deqer was refering to. I just dont get the joke nin was making...

That he almost definitely got terrible grades and didn't learn anything.

Anyway, this is no surprise. The general consensus around this game was that it was a lot of fun but missing standard features/modes. That those modes will be given, and for free, was expected.
 
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News Comments > Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled
93. Re: Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled Mar 26, 2014, 03:12 Beamer
 
^Drag0n^ wrote on Mar 26, 2014, 02:58:
Good god, can't Zuckerberg just stop buying things in order to ultimately ruin them? Facebook is becoming to "gaming" what Amazon is to e-tail.

They're going to dominate the market by offering amazing customer service, a selection that essentially covers anything anyone could ever want, and fantastic prices?
 
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News Comments > Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled
87. Re: Into the Black Mar 26, 2014, 02:58 Beamer
 
Fantaz wrote on Mar 26, 2014, 02:08:
good thing we got an alternative now with Sony's VR headset that they revealed at GDC.

Bundy wrote on Mar 26, 2014, 00:09:
Do we know if Sony is planning on Windows support? There is an opportunity here for them to jump in and "save us" from evil Facebook. Like they did to MS last year after the first XB1 announcement.

I'm hoping Valve makes a move.

As for MS, they'll probably just build their own headset. After the market is saturated with them, and then wonder why they can't get a foothold. Apple will also be late to the game, but somehow they'll have filed every single conceivable patent around VR back in 2007 and start suing everyone else for stealing their invention.

it better work for PC...

As I said below, why would it?
Sony isn't making it for you to buy a VR headset, they're making it for you to buy a PS4.

It may be PCable via Homebrew, like the Kinect, but I doubt it would be out of the box. Sony is in the PS4 business, not the VR business. This is really just a play to sell more boxes for your TV.
 
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News Comments > Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled
54. Re: Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled Mar 25, 2014, 22:52 Beamer
 
Leper wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 22:50:
So do the KS backers get a cut? I mean, it was their investment that launched this thing.

kickstarter isn't an investment, its a donation.
 
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News Comments > Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled
53. Re: Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled Mar 25, 2014, 22:51 Beamer
 
CrimsonPaw wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 22:43:
Mad Max RW wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 22:39:
Did Sony reveal their Project Morpheus thing yet? If more game devs flock to that you can forget about the Oculus ever really taking off.
Yeah, Morpheus was revealed at GDC but from my understanding it's still in a conceptual phase. Regardless, after this I'm hoping they'll be smart about it and release it for both the PS4 and PC - seems like a no-brainer in my book since they're similar architectures.

it exists solely to sell PS4s, not to sell itself. I doubt it will be available for the PC, but I bet home brew solves that, like with Kinect.
 
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News Comments > Evening Tech Bits
3. Re: Evening Tech Bits Mar 25, 2014, 21:57 Beamer
 
HorrorScope wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 21:53:
Brilliant. There has to be gamers out there where money is no object. Sucks I'm not one.

its not for gaming, much like the titan wasn't positioned to be. Bitcoin farmers may grab it.
 
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News Comments > Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled
46. Re: Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled Mar 25, 2014, 21:56 Beamer
 
jomisab wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 20:58:
I wonder if Carmack negotiated an ownership percentage.

being independently wealthy its possible no, but leaving his defining job to become CTO... I'd guess 5% minimum. I was offered 3% once for a company that, while much less far along and with less funding, I'd have a smaller role at. I also felt they had no future, so...

 
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News Comments > Evening Metaverse
2. Re: Evening Metaverse Mar 25, 2014, 20:45 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 20:43:
Yes, but even stocks - legally - are still paper and barter sill involves physical goods being exchanged. So the electron is now property is it? Well, shit, we're all in massive arrears on our back taxes in that case!

Stocks actually haven't been paper for years.
 
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News Comments > Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled
13. Re: Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled Mar 25, 2014, 20:44 Beamer
 
Bard wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 20:41:
gone from must have to ah shit.

Is it just me, or has all the cool computer stuff (capabilities, personal communication etc) over the past 30 years become monetized, tools of surveillance and utterly zero data privacy.


But it's also all become significantly cheaper.

That said, I truly believe there's no way to monetize data with VR sets. And, if anything, I think this purchase proves it. I guess OR had a chance to be the standard and control the software, but with FB owning them I see devs very quickly trying to get a standard that supports any set regardless of manufacturer.

Again, I think ORs software is basically Glide, but we'll move to DirectX or OpenGL. But even that's not quite right because that has more to do with graphics cards, which are complicated. VR sets are more like monitors. Quick: name 3 monitor companies. You can't, because there are so many with each basically being exactly like the next. It's a total commodity, with only a few players remaining in the high end (I do love my Dell Ultrasharp IPS.)
 
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News Comments > Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled
10. Re: Facebook Acquires Oculus, Oculus Rift Minecraft Cancelled Mar 25, 2014, 20:37 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 20:32:
Minecraft already works on Oculus Rift, sorry Notch.

RIP Oculus Rift.

I catch any of you fuckers buying one of these from this point forward I will make sure you know no peace on the Blue's News comments section.
Notch points out that it already works, he just says they won't officially support it.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
47. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 25, 2014, 20:30 Beamer
 
Tom wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 20:19:
Oh ok then, so VR is no more sophisticated than a TV or a refrigerator. Nevermind that these companies can't even get TVs right most of the time.

What did FB buy? They bought the people with the energy and potential to make something huge. Again, it comes down to Luckey Palmer and the team that formed around him.

OR doesn't have that many employees, and what employees it does have all had equity. If they had even 0.5% they just made a million bucks. And the ones with the energy and potential had much more than 0.5%.
 
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News Comments > Molyneux: Indie Revival "Won't Last"
55. Re: Molyneux: Indie Revival Mar 25, 2014, 20:11 Beamer
 
Julio wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 19:59:
Killswitch wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 19:49:
panbient wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 16:07:
... did you honestly compare a video game designer to astronauts? And not just any, but the only human beings to step foot on the moon?

While Aldrin and Armstrong were the first to walk on the moon, there has been a total of 12 astronauts who have walked on the lunar surface. Just thought I would clear up this common misconception.

If you believe they actually walked on the moon.

Danger! Danger!
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
44. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 25, 2014, 20:10 Beamer
 
Tom wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 20:04:
A lot of very short-sighted thinking here. How many times has someone earned a fortune doing something lame (and usually at least moderately evil) and then looked for something fun to do with the billions in profit?

But how does FB make money off of OR?
They have no experience in hardware manufacturing, and neither does OR so they didn't really buy that.
They have no experience in screen manufacturing, and neither does OR so they didn't really buy that.

They bought something that essentially any tech company can reproduce easily, outside of the brand but the brand is only big to a small niche. If you put it in Best Buy next to a Samsung VR set nearly all consumers will buy the Samsung one.

What does OR do that makes them special?
1) They are writing the software/drivers for their headsets, but I'd be shocked if, after VR takes off, this holds true. They're basically making GLide. Great. Someone will make OpenGL or DirectX and allow devs to code to a standard that supports all VR sets. This is a huge dead end
2) They are willing to start the industry. Samsung and Sony didn't care, because it was so small and there was no demand. Sony has already been awakened, though we'll see if this is just lip service or a true attempt. If OR starts making money, you'd better believe Samsung will jump into it. And, after a few years, Planar and VideoSonic and Asus and ASOC will jump in on it and, much like how Sony and Samsung no longer make monitors, they'll leave VR sets because there will no longer be money to be made
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
42. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 25, 2014, 20:06 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 19:59:
Seriously Beamer, you're our resident biz guy. I'm not being a dick about this, explain or lay our some scenarios here that show the potential upside that justifies this acquisition because I sure as shit don't see any - any positive ones at any rate.

Edit: Oh yeah, just saw that Wall St. isn't happy about this and FB lost almost 2 billion off it's valuation today.

I see no upside.
I expect VR sets, if they truly become a thing, to be like monitors, in that the software is standardized and the product commoditized. People buy based on weight and image quality, not brand and marketing.

If Facebook wants to start a VR world, or VR learning, or whatever, it makes some sense for them to control hardware at first, if it needs to be jumpstarted, but Oculus Rift seemed to be doing a fine job of that on their own. And, if they did a good enough job, Samsung, Sony and LG would all jump in, with larger R&D budgets, significantly larger marketing budgets, and the revenue streams that allow them to competitively price. Kind of like how Diamond and Creative mostly created the mp3 player market only to be forced out of it, OR basically faced the exact same future, in my opinion.

And still do. FB has next to no way to make $2b back on the hardware. And I don't think they have any software in the wing ready to go, or even 5 years out. And I don't think they needed to buy this to put their backing and capital behind it to get a properly installed userbase.

I honestly see no reason for this other than FB having huge stacks of cash and Zuckerberg thinking it's a really cool technology. But a public company can't purchase on a whim like that.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
35. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 25, 2014, 19:47 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 19:37:
Well, as I said in the other thread they owe their backers nothing beyond what was promised so as long as they get that, all is well on that front.

But $2B for this and $19B for Whatsapp leads me to believe that the management at FB is utterly insane at this point. It also leads me to believe that FB will crash and burn in the most spectacular manner sooner rather than later. It'll be a textbook study in business school upon how to not count one's chickens before they hatch.

Honestly, does anyone think the OR has a future now? I can see it now....every OR integrated with FB. Every OR owner being tracked in every game and getting FB alerts and ads all the time.

Do they really think this is a device capable of selling over 2 BILLION dollars? How many millions of headsets is that? How much grease going to developers to ensure they develop for the OR?

I really don't think Facebook bought this for integration. I think they bought it for diversity, and because Zuckerberg probably thinks it's cool.

Stop and think for a second about how your theories would play out. How could they integrate it with FB? It's a hardware device only. It doesn't have its own software. There's literally no way to integrate it.
Could Facebook be made in VR? Yes, but no one wants to look at 2D programs in VR, and there's no way to make FB not 2D.

So no, I don't think there's any kind of tracking coming, and I don't think there's any integration coming. This is Facebook trying to diversify.

Probably stupidly, and they've already reduced the value of the company just by being connected. In the short term.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
29. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 25, 2014, 19:25 Beamer
 
Notch just claimed to cancel the Oculus Rift version of Minecraft.  
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News Comments > Molyneux: Indie Revival "Won't Last"
49. Re: Molyneux: Indie Revival Mar 25, 2014, 19:08 Beamer
 
Tanto Edge wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 19:04:
NKD wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 18:52:
Give zero fucks about Polydeux's opinion.

I wish the media would stop giving him airtime.

This is about to be the top "Popular Thread" here.
Of course he gets airtime. He gets nonstop clickthroughs.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
25. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 25, 2014, 18:50 Beamer
 
mch wrote on Mar 25, 2014, 18:42:
So...does this mean Mark Zuckerberg is John Carmack's boss?

Carmack probably just made somewhere between $50mm and $200mm. Is anyone his boss?
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
13. Re: Out of the Blue Mar 25, 2014, 17:49 Beamer
 
Facebook bought Oculus?
Craziness!
 
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