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News Comments > Op Ed
18. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 11:15 Beamer
 
UHD wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 10:40:
nin wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 10:36:
Kajetan wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 10:30:
nin wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 10:14:
And like Thompson, one day she'll fade away, when no one cares about her any more. Unfortunately, that took Jack upwards of 15-20 years...hopefully she can attain the same level of failure in less time.
She isnt important. Its not about her. Its about the role of women in video games and the video game industry.

Oh, it's totally about her. She's detrimental to the cause she champions. It's all about money, either through a kickstarter, or encouraging folks to make monthly donations to her cause, so she can skate by while stating the same things others have said before.

So enlighten us then: how do you properly champion the cause of feminism?

One of the main things you keep seeing repeated is that "real feminists" don't do something like this. No one has yet said what actions "real feminists" do, so I assume it's just sitting there quietly and politely and hoping something changes.

The thing is, Anita is pretty polite. People just like to cherry pick her arguments. "She said this about game X, then something different about game Y, but game X's problem isn't in game Y!" Which is why she never said it did." "She ignored that this game does something great!" Well, she discusses tropes, so of course she doesn't spend considerable time on the games that don't contain these tropes, but she usually does spend a few minutes in each video pointing out a game doing something well. "She just wants money and doesn't care about games." I'd hope this image shows she does play games and also shows were a good chunk of her money goes.

Few people criticize her points. Few people say "I don't think XYZ is a problem." They go after games they don't feel fit her pattern, or they go after her.

And yes, many devs hate their extremely large vocal minority of fans. Look at this board. Whenever CliffyB, Brad Wardell, John Carmack, Ken Levine, Jade Raymond, John Romero, etc., get mentioned, there's an outpouring of hate. For a few of those, also some love, but usually someone is telling them to die in a fire and that they're worthless. This is a huge part of why most devs strive to be anonymous. Whenever they get a face and a voice, as all of the above have, they get targets. People that feel that having bought a few products means that every future product must be exactly to their needs, otherwise whomever made it is a shithead. It isn't just trolls. This is the most mature gaming board I can find, and it happens here daily. Most of the "name" developers that are loved are like Sid Meier, who don't really talk to the public much. I'm sure if he did, someone would end up in every thread complaining about how he canceled that dinosaur game.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
39. Re: Op Ed Aug 28, 2014, 21:44 Beamer
 
Slashman wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 21:33:
Beamer wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 19:59:
And of course they aren't discussing what doesn't fit their narrative. Because they aren't discussing the current state of games, they're discussing the patterns against women.

The problem a lot of us have is that she keeps choosing games that aren't actually doing what she says they are.

The Witcher 2 had a lot of strong female characters. Several of them more powerful than the male protagonist. But it is set in a world similar to our medieval earth. It wasn't a pleasant place and that is reflected by the sexual unpleasantness and violence that are prevalent in the game.

I don't expect that someone who is arguing for a cause they supposedly feel passionate about is going to be so uninformed. Especially not to the point that they can't produce good examples of what they are arguing about.

And that is exactly what most of us here are angered about. Not just accusations about us, but about the fact that she obviously doesn't even care enough to properly do her homework.

She talks about a scene in grand theft auto where a woman is helpless and at the mercy of two thugs instead of talking about the GTA franchise not having female lead character choices. It's a game about bad people doing bad things. Does she want it censored so only bad things are done to men?

And while I'm at it. Let me address this whole women as helpless objects and prizes for male characters thing. At some point in time, we're all going to have to realize that on average, female humans are physically weaker than male humans. It's genetics and we're not the only species on the planet where one sex is stronger than the other. It kind of stands to reason that if you're portraying evil and twisted men, that these men would take advantage of women because they are physically more powerful than women.

Are we going to pretend that pimps and prostitutes don't exist now as well? Is she arguing that misrepresenting the setting of the gameworld is OK so as not to offend women? In Far Cry 3 a male pimp beats a female prostitute. That's ghastly because it obviously doesn't ever happen in real life right?

I'm not saying she's perfect.
But she also isn't saying every trop applies to every game.

We aren't pretending that pimps and prostitutes don't exist, but are you going to pretend that they're as common in real life as they are in games?
As for GTAV, name one female character in that game. I'd be surprised if you could. Now, name one female character that wasn't entirely heinous and awful.
I can do it pretty easily for Saints Row. That game had pimps. It had prostitutes. It also had female characters that existed as characters.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
37. Re: Op Ed Aug 28, 2014, 20:43 Beamer
 
Julio wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 20:09:
Beamer wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 10:21:
I'm sorry, it just seems like people not comfortable enough with their own masculinity and place in the world to question how it impacts other people.

Nice try Beamer, it's because I'm comfortable with my masculinity that I'm against being neutered by the SJW crowd.

Beamer wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:29:
And I don't "judge all male gamers." I'm a male gamer!

I doubt both of those.

If you were comfortable, you'd realize they can't neuter you.
And your last point is clearly trolling. I've been here longer than you, I have more posts than you, and at least as many of yours are about non-game-related things as mine are.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
35. Re: Op Ed Aug 28, 2014, 19:59 Beamer
 
William Usher wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 19:49:
Beamer wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:29:
Lastly, I fail to see how doing what Anita asks, which means occasionally having a female character to something more than get kidnapped or die, would render gaming "well and truly destroyed." Including female characters that do something other than sleep with the hero or die didn't seem to hurt Captain America 2 or Guardians of the Galaxy, the two biggest movies of the year.

It's already been done.

Prez mentioned Borderlands 2 and I rattled off just a few games off the top of my head that are already doing the opposite of what she's complaining about.

Essentially NO ONE from the other side have said why they don't support the games that fit the narrative they say does not exist in gaming. How is Lilly Looking Through or the Giana Sisters sexist or exclusionary? How don't they fit the feminist agenda? And why aren't they being talked about?

As I mentioned, it's not about game culture at all. We don't see the games that should appeal to the SJWs being promoted by the SJWs.

The real issue is that these games that the SJWs feel will "evolve" or "mature" gaming don't sell that well. So who's fault is it that the games they say don't exist actually do exist and the people with the power to promote them won't?

Relatively, the amount is small.
And of course they aren't discussing what doesn't fit their narrative. Because they aren't discussing the current state of games, they're discussing the patterns against women.
 
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News Comments > Titanfall Adding Titan-less Mode
7. Re: Titanfall Adding Titan-less Mode Aug 28, 2014, 19:23 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:28:
So doesn't that make it just "Fall"? Kind of a dumb name for a game...

Well, without them dropping out of the sky, there's no "Fall" either.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
32. Re: Op Ed Aug 28, 2014, 19:22 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:49:
But Anita isn't telling male gamers they're shit. It's what they're hearing, but what she's doing is constructive criticism on a media she cares about that repeatedly has the same flaws.

Firstly, you are incorrect. Anita Sarkeesian has publicly admitted that she cares little for videogames. She is doing this in gaming because it's just a ripe young media still in a formative state that she can infest with her poison and make a fundamental change that may be good for her extremist agenda (and her ample ego) but ultimately be for the worse for gamers. Were she to do this in the movie industry she would be soundly trounced and relegated to the psycho pile. And PLEASE spare me the crap about movies being more progressive than videogames on this because it is absolutely not true.

Secondly, if you really believe that all Sarkeesian wants is the occasional strong female lead then why didn't she crawl back under her rock when the new Tomb Raider came out? I came up with a list of games a while back in which (appropriately clothed) women either share equal roles with men or are the lead, and in 5 minutes I had a list that puts the lie to Sarkeesian's bullshit. She is an extremist activist, not some noble crusader trying to ensure equal treatment for all. Try as you like to sell her cause as one of equality, but it clearly isn't, and more and more gamers are learning the truth about her twisted agenda and soundly rejecting it. It is those gamers you are mad at because they don't buy into hers and your activism.

Just to give ONE example - In Borderlands 2 Lilith is the most powerful character in the game, is a strong leader, and *GASP* actually helps the player save Roland after he is captured. A complete modern role reversal. That's ONE example. No, Sarkeesian is a phony, a liar, and an extremist nutjob who cherrypicks examples, GROSSLY misrepresents them, and then tries to garner sympathy for her agenda disguised as a noble cause from misinformed and misguided useful idiots. Anyone who buys into her idiocy and tries to sell it to me is just ignored until they stop talking stupid.

No. No she didn't. People keep saying she cares little for video games, yet she keeps playing them.

And Anita points out patterns. Just because not every game fits that pattern doesn't mean the pattern doesn't exist. She isn't saying "every game does this." She's saying "many games do this, here are some examples."
So yes, some games do it well. But, relatively, it's a saddeningly small amount. But again, it's false to claim that Anita takes the hard line of "NO VIDEO GAME TREATS WOMEN WELL!"

 
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News Comments > Evening Interviews
67. Re: Evening Interviews Aug 28, 2014, 19:15 Beamer
 
Cpmartins wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:31:
"I believe that's the crux of the argument. Both have you interacting with men in a variety of ways and have men driving the plot, but only one has women doing these things."

One is about a hitman, who is a man. The other is about a chosen one, who can be a woman or a man. There is no argument. No One ever said Lara Croft has a misandric narrative. Because it doesn't. And neither does Hitman. And even if they did, it's besides the point. Developers should be allowed to do whatever they want without fear of social shaming. Notice I didn't say criticism. I meant what Patricia Hernandez (Link) did with Blood Dragon.

As for the link to the second time anita's been lying about developers introducing misogynistic elements in games for the sake of empowering male violence against women, here it is: (Link 2)


And the funny thing about the whole thing is that Josh Sawyer, both Lead Designer and Creative Director for that wonderful game contributed to her campaign, and even tweeted about it.

Stop linking to crappy youtube videos and start just telling people what's in them. I very much appreciate you linking directly to the relevant part, but I'd much rather someone say "here's what is in XXX" and then link to it. We don't all have a lot of time to watch a lot of videos and read a lot of articles. Just tell me what it says and source it. This isn't telling you you suck or a bad person, it's giving constructive feedback that would make replying to you easier and get better responses.


Regardless, you're still missing the point. Anita isn't saying "this game is bad, burn it!" She's saying "here's a pattern that's visible in multiple games." This isn't a witch hunt on her part to point out individual terrible things, it's to show evidence of broad patterns. Maybe you like some of those games. I liked some of those games. She liked some of those games. But there are wide ranging patterns she wants to show.

And she never said Hitman needed to be Hitwoman, she said it would be nice of Hitman featured a single woman that didn't exist solely to die. Or if many games did. Because many games don't.

There's a huge difference between "Here's another example of a game where the only female characters exist to die" and "Hitman is a terrible game because you can't play as a female character and everyone that enjoys Hitman is a terrible person."

She's saying the former, not the latter.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
29. Re: Op Ed Aug 28, 2014, 18:29 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:08:
What is "real sexism?" What is "fake sexism?"

Real Sexism = 1) a woman gamer not being able to play on a server without getting propositioned, harassed,spoken dirty to, etc. without it being solicited 2) a woman game developer getting asked "what are YOU doing making games?!?" or being condescended to because of her gender and so on...

Fake sexism = most anything that comes out of Sarkeesian's piehole, or any of the fabricated controversies by the likes of Zoey Quinn and hypocritical moralizing asshole journalists like at Kotaku, RPS, etc...

What was being done to end real sexism in gaming?

Nothing, because people like you have cried wolf too many times to be listened to when you happen to decry what may be a real case of sexism. Crazy as it may sound, male gamers don't like being told repeatedly they are shit based on the actions of a few immature twits by hypocrites, liars, and misguided white-knights. You know, people like you, who paradoxically judge all male gamers based on the actions of a minority of rude children while telling us liars and phonies like Zoey Quinn don't represent all women in gaming. I'm not really sure I care to explain this to you AGAIN. You obviously are not hearing it or don't accept it. Either way, why do you keep asking if you don't like the answer? I don't have anything against you personally, but if and when the time comes where people like you and Sarkeesian are the majority of the gaming industry, I am indeed going to "move on to other hobbies" as you put it, since gaming will have been well and truly destroyed. Score another one for extremist nutobs, I guess.

But Anita isn't telling male gamers they're shit. It's what they're hearing, but what she's doing is constructive criticism on a media she cares about that repeatedly has the same flaws.

It's the people pushing back that turn this from "hmm, wow, I never thought of this like that" to "STOP TELLING ME I'M SHIT!"

I'm sorry, again, you're saying it's what I'm refusing to hear, but it's more what people are refusing to not hear in the Tropes on Women. It isn't about "you're all wrong!" it's about "we can do this all better."

And I don't "judge all male gamers." I'm a male gamer! I don't condemn individuals, with a few exceptions on this board. But, collectively, we're not doing a very good job being inclusive. In fact, in the past week we've been doing the opposite. If you're a woman and at all interested in gaming, do you think you'd have the same level of interest after all this has gone on?
But that's the thing - male gamers, and I used to do this, take all this constructive criticism personally. Rather than think "hey, is this true?" they just say "stop judging me!"

Lastly, I fail to see how doing what Anita asks, which means occasionally having a female character to something more than get kidnapped or die, would render gaming "well and truly destroyed." Including female characters that do something other than sleep with the hero or die didn't seem to hurt Captain America 2 or Guardians of the Galaxy, the two biggest movies of the year.

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News Comments > Titanfall Adding Titan-less Mode
2. Re: Titanfall Adding Titan-less Mode Aug 28, 2014, 18:27 Beamer
 
nin wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:24:
Why?

Desperation.
 
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News Comments > Evening Interviews
56. Re: Evening Interviews Aug 28, 2014, 18:08 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:05:
Cpmartins wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 15:50:
"Yeah, that thunderf00t takedown does paint her in a bad light RE: Hitman. Yes, the game does allow you to do that, but you can kill women in most games, but it doesn't mean that the game is misogynistic. Most of the people you kill in Hitman are male. Also, I can kill women in Skyrim (in most RPGs in fact), but most of those games don't single out women for sexist treatment. The thing is, there's plenty of sexism in games without having to go to those lengths to portray a game as sexist."

That is one. The other is misusing Fallout: New Vegas's reputation system to lie about players not being punished when killing a girl in Freeside.
Link? I'd like to learn more.

I need to check out the Hitman thing.
I haven't seen it, obviously, but I've playe dHitman. I've played Skyrim. You can kill women in both. But you can only interact with women in ways other than killing in one.

I believe that's the crux of the argument. Both have you interacting with men in a variety of ways and have men driving the plot, but only one has women doing these things.
 
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News Comments > Evening Interviews
55. Re: Evening Interviews Aug 28, 2014, 18:06 Beamer
 
Redmask wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 17:14:
I'm not going to waste time on that patronizing, bloated response just to receive 5 more that I have to answer because you have an agenda to push.

It wasn't patronizing.
And I have no agenda to push.

1) I was honest that I tend to think you're a good poster
2) I was honest in saying I'd appreciate someone spelling out for me what they feel I'm doing that's dishonest. For all the posts in these threads that use my name, few get specific.
3) I never tried to engage you in anything more than using what I feel is a weasel word that diminishes an argument because both sides start foaming at the mouth when they see it.

All of this has been genuine. I'm sorry my tone isn't coming through properly and you're seeing it as patronizing or insulting. It isn't easy in topics like this to come across as genuine, even when you're meaning to be. People just see flames.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
26. Re: Op Ed Aug 28, 2014, 17:38 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 17:21:
all the while destroying the cause of ending real sexism in gaming. Sir William absolutely nailed it.
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What was being done to end real sexism in gaming?
What is "real sexism?" What is "fake sexism?"

Using all this "real" stuff just feels like when someone pops in and says something along the lines of "Star Citizen is crap and real gamers know this!" The ambiguous "real" meaning "people that agree with me are more valid than those that don't."

In any case, large amounts of people inside the industry have come out supporting people like Anita. It's the fans that are flaying her. I'd say that's real change. It's those in the studios that can actually change things, and if they're supporting her, the fans will either follow or find new hobbies.
 
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News Comments > Evening Interviews
49. Re: Evening Interviews Aug 28, 2014, 17:05 Beamer
 
Redmask wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 17:02:
Don't even get me started on you with your false narratives and issue deflection.

No, please start.
In the first thread all I tried to do was stop you from using that term, because you were the first "good" poster here to use it. You kept throwing different issues at me, issues I had no strong opinion on and no interest in addressing. If anything you were deflecting, because you were just throwing more and more at me that didn't feel important to whether the term "SJW" was a fair one or not. I have not taken a stance on Zoe, because I know nothing about her and so much of the information coming out about her makes no sense, on both sides, and the arguments have zoomed out in so many directions that seem to have nothing to do with her that, frankly, why bother? I wasn't asking you not to give your opinion on her, and I wasn't challenging you on her, I was pointing out that you were using a weak term. You were reading into that.

At this point that's moot.



But please, not enough people here that have an issue with me actually address it. People like Mad Max just throw out random insults without backing anything up. People like ASeven throw up some incoherent imgur without even giving context to it.
I'd be pretty happy with some nice bullet points of what I've done where. It's asking a lot, sure, but I feel I'm being put in an unfair light here. You know, much like you think all of games are, but at least people like Anita make a bullet pointed, cited presentation. It's hard to respond to "please don't use SJW, it damages any point you're making" "BUT THE GAMING MEDIA," "yeah, I don't care about the gaming media, I'm just saying, you're hurting your own point," "BUT SHE SLEPT WITH FIVE GUYS," "yeah, how she uses her vagina is her own issue, I'm just saying, using that term makes your argument weaker," "BUT HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT SHE LIED?" That's all scattershot, hard to follow, across about 40 different posts, seem unconnected to anything, and assumed a huge amount of my "SJW is a loaded, blanket term that most people turn their brains off after seeing, and a better conversation comes from not using it, just like how supposed 'SJWs' lose any credibility by calling gamers 'closeted virgins.'"
 
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News Comments > Evening Interviews
47. Re: Evening Interviews Aug 28, 2014, 16:57 Beamer
 
Redmask wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 16:54:
yuastnav wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 16:38:
In the end it comes down to morality but if someone's stance is "I don't care about sexism/racism/etc., I just want to play my video games." then that person is a fucking arsehole and a poor excuse for a human being. But that's just my personal moral stance. I think Daniel Dennett partly refers to that as being a member of the Moral Agents' Club

That kind of holier than thou, my way or the highway attitude is the kind of thing that drives people further away from your stance rather than towards it. Gaming is a leisure activity and hobby for many people but if you want to call them names and think that's going to help inform them then good fucking luck with that.

I agree with you.
But not many people here are saying "I don't care, I just want to play my games." They're saying "These are worthless human beings" and "they need to shut up" and "I fucking hate them" and "they're liars" and "they're faking it" and "they're making us look bad" and "they're not real feminists" and "I may be a man, but I know sexism better than these women."

There's a huge gap there. Huge. At this point, even most of the always-reasonable, always-seeing-both-sides posters here are taking a side. Taking a side isn't "I just want to play games."

My rhetoric isn't very pointed, except people like Cutter, ASeven, Mad Max, etc., that in any kind of politicized thread take the side of people exactly like themselves. For the standard gamer caught in this crossfire? Just admit there may be an issue and things can probably get better and that Anita isn't making accusations but pointing out things that can be improved upon.
It doesn't need to be this bad.
 
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News Comments > Evening Interviews
46. Re: Evening Interviews Aug 28, 2014, 16:55 Beamer
 
Cpmartins wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 15:50:
"Yeah, that thunderf00t takedown does paint her in a bad light RE: Hitman. Yes, the game does allow you to do that, but you can kill women in most games, but it doesn't mean that the game is misogynistic. Most of the people you kill in Hitman are male. Also, I can kill women in Skyrim (in most RPGs in fact), but most of those games don't single out women for sexist treatment. The thing is, there's plenty of sexism in games without having to go to those lengths to portray a game as sexist."

That is one. The other is misusing Fallout: New Vegas's reputation system to lie about players not being punished when killing a girl in Freeside.

I haven't seen her Hitman takedown, because contrary to the opinion around here I don't really care what most of these people say.

But, having played a Hitman game and Skyrim, I can say there's a huge difference between them. One has women, which you interact with in many ways, which play many roles, and which factor into the plot. The other has women which you kill. One has men which you interact with, in many ways, which play many roles, and factor into the plot. So does the other.

It's like if we drew a four-square, with the pairs being (Hitman, Skyrim), and (Male, Female.) Both would have (do something in the game other than die) in the Male box, but only Skyrim would have that in the female box.
 
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7. Re: CCP Closing SF Office Aug 28, 2014, 15:41 Beamer
 
KTR wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 14:43:
San Francisco...known for their affordable rent.
But it is known for its excess of talent, which is what companies want.
Sure, you can open a studio in Cincinnati, OH, but who is going to willingly move there to staff it?
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
24. Re: Op Ed Aug 28, 2014, 15:40 Beamer
 
William Usher wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 13:21:
Beamer wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 10:21:
I'm sorry, it just seems like people not comfortable enough with their own masculinity and place in the world to question how it impacts other people. Rather than question, it's lashing out in ways far worse than what "SJWs" do.

I'm responding to this here because the newer responses are completely off-topic.

Nevertheless, you're directing this statement at people who are angered that gaming culture is now seen and viewed by those in the industry and outside of it as this festering pot of misogyny. People seriously need to look up the definition of that word because it does not mean what they think it means.

Keeping on-topic: A lot of gamers are angry at the so-called SJWs because they misrepresent facts and distort context for an agenda.

For instance, why are they attacking games geared toward males who like fantasy sex and violence? It's like a bunch of men getting angry at women who read romance novels because they distort the reality of how men actually are.

Different games sell to different genders. It would be nice if the groups yelling "misogyny" and "unfairness" all the time at least did their research. More women play social/casual games than men do. More women spend more money on these games than men do (there are market reports, facts, that back this up. Google it.)

It's no surprise that Farmvilles and The Sims games of that ilk are marketed toward females just the same as Gears of War and God of War are marketed toward males: These companies are selling to demographics that make them money.

Dairy corporations don't market milk to farmers.

As far as female representation goes in the more core markets? Of course it's not the same as males. Could it be better? Of course.

However, you'll still find an ample amount games on Steam and elsewhere if you just type in "Female" under the games category for a list of titles that allow you to play as a female across all types of different kinds of games. But what you won't find are any SJWs talking about those games or even supporting or promoting them. Lilly Looking Through? Moon Hunters? Aegis Defenders? Dex? Are these games regularly featured in the tirades against games geared toward 14 - 32 year old males?

Why is that?


So far I only see it as a sick culture for people who are angry to express it on a platform. They have never used that platform to help the companies, female game designers and aspiring creators to get their ideas and games out there. They only attack the other side.

Don't you realize how it's this backlash, rather than the Tropes videos, that makes games seem like a festering pot of misogyny? It isn't the "hey everyone, there's a problem here" it's the "fuck you I'm not listening shut up there is no problem you aren't even a real feminist" that's causing that image. It's the "we won't even attempt to make any changes because we have nothing that needs to change so stop telling us!" that creates the image.

Why do they focus on games geared towards males who like fantasy sex and violence? Well, they don't focus on violence, unless it's sexual violence, and it sometimes is. But this is the focus because that's mostly what games are. The industry is still operating like it thinks everyone is a 13 year old male. It often feels out of place. And the Tropes videos aren't trying to say "EVERY GAME IS BAD, BURN IT!" it's trying to say "look how incredibly prevalent this kind of thing is - it's literally everywhere."

Women are now 48% of gamers. Yet, in most games, they're sexual objects or victims.

And since when is "selling to a demographic that makes money" an excuse for behavior that some see as unjust. Hey, Montasanto makes GMOs because people buy it and it makes money, guess that means it's all ok and deserves zero scrutiny.

The bottom line, though, is that yes, people think that games is a cesspool of misogyny, but it isn't the "SJW"s that have caused this opinion, it's the response to it. And, frankly, gamers have always been thought of as immature male virgins obsessed with impossible women while living in their parents' basement. That isn't a new thing. Things like Tropes were trying to get games to grow beyond that stereotype.
 
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39. Re: Evening Interviews Aug 28, 2014, 15:33 Beamer
 
PropheT wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 15:25:
Jensen wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 02:58:
Ar you talking about Internet Aristocrat and thunderf00t and the millions of views they've gotten from this uproar? (how much did they get from the ads I watched before their videos?)

I'm not even sure what or who that is, so no. All I know is that there seems to be a pretty steady cycle of this where she or someone she seems to be closely associated with routinely uses examples like this to drum up support for their movement while their hands are outstretched looking for the next dollar.

It definitely happens, everyone remembers that the shit with Jade Raymond a few years back was nauseating, but she was doing her job and still is and is an important part of behind the scenes gaming production. Sarkeesian's only contribution are projects explicitly designed to show inequality, and she takes any hate or vitriol that heads her way and uses it as marketing to push a product that relies on it.

She counts on it, the gaming press has gone out of their way to oblige it, and it keeps gaining steam because anyone who disagrees is a misogynist bastard who thinks there's nothing wrong. There's no discussion actually there, no way to improve from that, and guys like Whedon giving her kudos and more press just seems like otherwise smart people suddenly deciding that Ann Coulter is a leading voice on political discourse.

How do you have a discussion on it, though? A woman says "as a woman, that makes me feel lesser." And men immediately say "you're wrong."

Most men don't look for a dialogue about sexism. Frankly, nearly every man fails to understand sexism. We have no frame of reference for it at all, like someone colorblind has no frame of reference for green. So the dialogue doesn't become "alright, why do you feel that way, let us understand and see if we can make things better" it becomes "you're wrong, stop attacking me, let me post this giant imgur link that scattershots 40 different points that discredit you!"

Leigh Alexander posted a Gamasutra commentary on this today that I'm sure will get major backlash because she went as incendiary as possible. She posited that most of this comes from a core group of gamers irate over no longer being the focus of the industry. She may be on to something a bit there. Look at the topics that get people really riled up here - the supposed slights to PC gamers, changes for "kiddies," and this. All of those can be somewhat attributed to gamers that used to be the bread and butter of the industry and now being less of a focus.

Also, Tim Schaeffer came out in support of Tropes Against Women, so yeah, I hope the people here that suddenly found themselves hating The Avengers are prepared to hate Double Fine. He won't be the last to do this, either. I'm sure ASeven will have an imgur link showing what a hypocrite Tim is soon enough.
 
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4. Re: etc. Aug 28, 2014, 14:04 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 13:58:
Calling swat on someone for shits and giggles should be thirty years in the federal pen.

Because these swat guys are coming in on a bomb threat, and they are high strung to hell; you make one bad or suspicious move and they'll end you right then and there.

Such lulz. So the asshole who did it, @screwpain, hope you enjoy getting assraped for a large portion of the rest of your life. Miserable piece of shit.

Especially when you consider the SWATted people are typically playing shooters, so the SWAT team is walking into a building where, in some cases, they're hearing gunfire.
 
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News Comments > New Quake Live Ruleset Courts New Players
20. Re: New Quake Live Ruleset Courts New Players Aug 28, 2014, 13:48 Beamer
 
4D-Boxing wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 13:42:
Beamer wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 12:13:
garrywong wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 09:57:
Ok this is stupid. Haven't they considered what this is going to do to the pro scene? Yeah ok, you can play with a "classic" ruleset that doesn't change any of this, but now you are going to have a divided community. Them noobs that don't learn anything because they are playing on ezmode, and the hardcore pro scene.

Usually changes like this are last-ditch efforts to court new users to avoid shutting down. If that's the case, then they don't care about the "pro scene," because they were going to lose the game, anyway.

Prob a knee jerk reaction to how gamers rushed to download the UT4 pre alpha.

With regards to bunny hoping. It only helped when a sniper spent his time in one spot waiting for easy frags. Putting a stamina limit would reduce its use if combined with a sprint button. I would even crank up the base movement speed (love those crazy dm/ffa cod4 speed servers like broadcast k3 one).

p.s. Yes, i know what k3 tried to do with the acronym, not a member

Nah, UT4 hasn't been out long enough for them to identify that and do this.
 
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