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News Comments > Out of the Blue
9. Re: Out of the Blue Aug 29, 2014, 14:09 Beamer
 
Bodolza wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 13:21:
xXBatmanXx wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 10:11:
His skin looks really bad....that color....is he wasted?

He's 83 years old. Give the man a break.

He looks amazing for 83.

 
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News Comments > Op Ed
36. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 13:38 Beamer
 
Also, can we stop with the "cherry picking" argument?

People keep saying this. But Anita isn't doing a series analyzing how women are treated in video games. She's doing a series demonstrating patterns and trends that feature tropes. There's literally no way to do this without picking games that feature these tropes. None. At all. Zero. Had she said she was doing a series analyzing how games feature women, fine, you could make the argument. But that isn't her premise. Note the word "Against" in her title. This is a series on a very specific topic, and it makes no sense to randomly pick games. Saying she cherry picks which games to use makes absolutely no sense and isn't a valid complaint because of course she does. That's the whole point. Making a video discussing a trope, then showing a bunch of games not featuring that particular trope, would be incredibly pointless.

What I am saying does not cover the situation Jerykk mentioned, where he felt she was cherry picking parts of a game. The only one there I certainly agree with is Bioshock Infinite. I do not know if she covered that game, but The Verge mentioned it, and it said Elizabeth existed solely to be naive give health bonuses despite being the most powerful person in the game world. I disagree. I'd say the game is about her, not about the player character, and her going from being a sheltered victim to an incredibly powerful being that controls her own destiny. Focusing just on what she is for the first few hours misses that the game is about her journey.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
34. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 13:34 Beamer
 
Julio wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 13:29:
commonperson wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 10:43:
The rape and death threats are out there for the public to see, this is not stuff any of them are making up. Doxing is quite public too.

Except there's proof that they made these claims up. Look for Aseven's posts for more details. And if anyone male or female goes into the kiddie multiplayer gaming pool on consoles or certain PC games they'll get threats. It comes with those young gamers under 18. None of them mean it seriously.

Creston wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 12:24:
So despite what Leigh Alexander bleats, it's actually far more likely that these young people that she hails as some kind of magnificent new generation are the ones acting like utter retards.

No need to insult the mentally challenged by lumping them in with the SJW crowd. Everytime I see a man-hating SJW article I now think...so what journalist just got laid in exchange for writing it?

On the lack of embracing new consoles, definitely that's true. I think the Xflop scared the publishers off.

The "proof" is about as strong as the "proof" George Bush orchestrated 9/11. It's all wild assumptions.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
27. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 13:04 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 12:39:
Here's a very nice rebuttal, of a kind, on the whole "ALL FUCKING GAMERS SUCK!" mantra that Gamasutra seems to be spewing.


Dude, she did not say "all gamers fucking suck." She even calls it a vocal majority. But it's the ones that call themselves "real gamers" that suck. Can anyone here deny it? Even without this particular topic, "real gamers" are the ones running around telling everyone they suck because they like Fallout 3 more than Fallout 1, or they suck because they play some games with a controller, or they suck because they once made a game for consoles, or they suck because they once made a game for the PS3 but not the 360, or they suck because they like CoD, or they suck because they don't like CoD enough.

Those people suck.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
49. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 13:01 Beamer
 
Jerykk wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 12:42:
Beamer wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 11:18:
Jerykk wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 23:44:
Sarkeesian is just really bad at supporting her points. She does research on games and looks for things that support her agenda, ignoring context or anything else that might undermine her argument.

Nobody is going to claim that misogyny doesn't exist in games. However, a game isn't misogynistic just because it contains prostitutes that can be killed. About 90% of Sarkeesian's examples ignore context completely. Sure, you can beat up women in Sleeping Dogs and stick them in your trunk but you can do the exact same thing to men. Sure, the random crime events in Watch Dogs do have passive female victims but they also have passive male victims. Sure, there are dead, scantily clad female bodies in Mafia 2 BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A SHOOTOUT IN A STRIP CLUB. Cripes.

Imagine if I played GTA, went out of my way to specifically kill a bunch of black NPCs, took the money that randomly dropped and then declared that the game was racist because it rewarded me for killing black people. Pretty absurd, right? Except that's the exact logic that Sarkeesian uses for most of her examples. She's the epitome of the Social Justice Warrior. She finds social issues where there are none and automatically dismisses anyone who disagrees.

If you watch her videos, she never actually calls a game misogynist. She calls characters in it, but usually when the character beats are that he is. And she doesn't criticize that when it's the villain.

But her point isn't "these games are misogynist," it's that "women aren't portrayed well in games and games have a lot of misogynist elements." There's a huge, huge, huge difference there.

She doesn't have to explicitly use the word "misogynist." Her entire series is devoted to convincing people that sexism is rampant in videogames. Every example she provides is used to that end. I'd be totally fine with that if she used good examples. But she doesn't. She ignores context and provides intentionally misleading footage. For example, in a previous video, she said that the strippers in Hitman: Absolution exist solely so that men can kill them and play with their bodies and that game actively encourages this. She then showed footage of 47 killing the strippers and dragging their bodies around. That's utter bullshit. If you kill strippers (or any other civilians) in Hitman, you are penalized for doing so. You lose points, you lose money, you gain notoriety (in Blood Money, at least). The murder of civilians (female or otherwise) is actively discouraged. Hitman wasn't some sort of exception, either. She makes similarly ridiculous claims with games like Sleeping Dogs, Watch_Dogs, Just Cause 2, Bioshock, GTA, Dishonored, Fallout, Kane & Lynch, etc.

It's okay to agree with her message. There definitely is sexism in games and it should be addressed. However, you need to be critical of how that message is conveyed and Sarkeesian conveys her message in the worst way possible: by ignoring context and straight out lying in many cases. That doesn't help her cause. If anything, it gives the trolls more fuel and gives rational people less reason to agree with her.

No, her entire point is a pattern.

Take, say, the damsel in distress trope. She isn't condemning individual games for using it (though some are lazy about it.) She's saying it's problematic that so many games use it.

It isn't an attack on games. It isn't condemning games. It's point out things games do that they could be better about.

Your Hitman argument falls flat. She says they exist solely to die. And yes, you're penalized for it, but all they can do is die. That's it. And they're the women in the game. They're just obstacles.

And sorry, Jerykk, I think the important thing isn't that we make sure her tactics are ok (and no, she doesn't outright lie.) The important thing is improving. So people don't like her tactics, then why do so many just discount the message. And her cause is being helped. A lot. While there's a lot of fan response against her, the industry response towards her has been almost unanimously positive. One of those is more important than the other.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
9. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 11:21 Beamer
 
InBlack wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 09:37:
But you still missed the point of the article, which by the way doesnt invalidate any of the points you make but clearly states:

Of course he did. He only read the line Blue posted, as per usual Cutter, that's enough for him to call it shit. Even though he blatantly misunderstood what "at its best" means, as you've pointed out to him twice.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
47. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 11:19 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 21:45:
Whether a few or many, games that don't fit the narrative are ignored because they weaken their extremist cause. Let's say 50% of games have strong women roles. Would that be enough? What about if we reached a point where 75% did? Or 90%? Or 99%? No, as long as even one game exists where even a single solitary woman isn't portrayed exactly the way extreme feminism wants, no, DEMANDS that she be portrayed, the Sarkeesians of the world will continue playing the professional victim. And as long as the spineless and corrupt media remains complicit in helping Sarkeesian stamp out freedom of expression that doesn't suit their wrong-headed agenda it will continue to spread throughout gaming like a cancer. It isn't about equality; it's about the complete suppression of creative ideas that don't fit a narrow, distasteful value system set forth by extreme feminism . I don't want to be a part of an industry like that. Of course I would rather I was able to help force those who would so alter gaming to abandon their twisted crusade before it comes to that.

Yes, the slippery slope argument. Let's not improve anything, because is any improvement enough? Let's keep with something bad rather than try at all.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
46. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 11:18 Beamer
 
Jerykk wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 23:44:
Sarkeesian is just really bad at supporting her points. She does research on games and looks for things that support her agenda, ignoring context or anything else that might undermine her argument.

Nobody is going to claim that misogyny doesn't exist in games. However, a game isn't misogynistic just because it contains prostitutes that can be killed. About 90% of Sarkeesian's examples ignore context completely. Sure, you can beat up women in Sleeping Dogs and stick them in your trunk but you can do the exact same thing to men. Sure, the random crime events in Watch Dogs do have passive female victims but they also have passive male victims. Sure, there are dead, scantily clad female bodies in Mafia 2 BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A SHOOTOUT IN A STRIP CLUB. Cripes.

Imagine if I played GTA, went out of my way to specifically kill a bunch of black NPCs, took the money that randomly dropped and then declared that the game was racist because it rewarded me for killing black people. Pretty absurd, right? Except that's the exact logic that Sarkeesian uses for most of her examples. She's the epitome of the Social Justice Warrior. She finds social issues where there are none and automatically dismisses anyone who disagrees.

If you watch her videos, she never actually calls a game misogynist. She calls characters in it, but usually when the character beats are that he is. And she doesn't criticize that when it's the villain.

But her point isn't "these games are misogynist," it's that "women aren't portrayed well in games and games have a lot of misogynist elements." There's a huge, huge, huge difference there.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
18. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 11:15 Beamer
 
UHD wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 10:40:
nin wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 10:36:
Kajetan wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 10:30:
nin wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 10:14:
And like Thompson, one day she'll fade away, when no one cares about her any more. Unfortunately, that took Jack upwards of 15-20 years...hopefully she can attain the same level of failure in less time.
She isnt important. Its not about her. Its about the role of women in video games and the video game industry.

Oh, it's totally about her. She's detrimental to the cause she champions. It's all about money, either through a kickstarter, or encouraging folks to make monthly donations to her cause, so she can skate by while stating the same things others have said before.

So enlighten us then: how do you properly champion the cause of feminism?

One of the main things you keep seeing repeated is that "real feminists" don't do something like this. No one has yet said what actions "real feminists" do, so I assume it's just sitting there quietly and politely and hoping something changes.

The thing is, Anita is pretty polite. People just like to cherry pick her arguments. "She said this about game X, then something different about game Y, but game X's problem isn't in game Y!" Which is why she never said it did." "She ignored that this game does something great!" Well, she discusses tropes, so of course she doesn't spend considerable time on the games that don't contain these tropes, but she usually does spend a few minutes in each video pointing out a game doing something well. "She just wants money and doesn't care about games." I'd hope this image shows she does play games and also shows were a good chunk of her money goes.

Few people criticize her points. Few people say "I don't think XYZ is a problem." They go after games they don't feel fit her pattern, or they go after her.

And yes, many devs hate their extremely large vocal minority of fans. Look at this board. Whenever CliffyB, Brad Wardell, John Carmack, Ken Levine, Jade Raymond, John Romero, etc., get mentioned, there's an outpouring of hate. For a few of those, also some love, but usually someone is telling them to die in a fire and that they're worthless. This is a huge part of why most devs strive to be anonymous. Whenever they get a face and a voice, as all of the above have, they get targets. People that feel that having bought a few products means that every future product must be exactly to their needs, otherwise whomever made it is a shithead. It isn't just trolls. This is the most mature gaming board I can find, and it happens here daily. Most of the "name" developers that are loved are like Sid Meier, who don't really talk to the public much. I'm sure if he did, someone would end up in every thread complaining about how he canceled that dinosaur game.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
39. Re: Op Ed Aug 28, 2014, 21:44 Beamer
 
Slashman wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 21:33:
Beamer wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 19:59:
And of course they aren't discussing what doesn't fit their narrative. Because they aren't discussing the current state of games, they're discussing the patterns against women.

The problem a lot of us have is that she keeps choosing games that aren't actually doing what she says they are.

The Witcher 2 had a lot of strong female characters. Several of them more powerful than the male protagonist. But it is set in a world similar to our medieval earth. It wasn't a pleasant place and that is reflected by the sexual unpleasantness and violence that are prevalent in the game.

I don't expect that someone who is arguing for a cause they supposedly feel passionate about is going to be so uninformed. Especially not to the point that they can't produce good examples of what they are arguing about.

And that is exactly what most of us here are angered about. Not just accusations about us, but about the fact that she obviously doesn't even care enough to properly do her homework.

She talks about a scene in grand theft auto where a woman is helpless and at the mercy of two thugs instead of talking about the GTA franchise not having female lead character choices. It's a game about bad people doing bad things. Does she want it censored so only bad things are done to men?

And while I'm at it. Let me address this whole women as helpless objects and prizes for male characters thing. At some point in time, we're all going to have to realize that on average, female humans are physically weaker than male humans. It's genetics and we're not the only species on the planet where one sex is stronger than the other. It kind of stands to reason that if you're portraying evil and twisted men, that these men would take advantage of women because they are physically more powerful than women.

Are we going to pretend that pimps and prostitutes don't exist now as well? Is she arguing that misrepresenting the setting of the gameworld is OK so as not to offend women? In Far Cry 3 a male pimp beats a female prostitute. That's ghastly because it obviously doesn't ever happen in real life right?

I'm not saying she's perfect.
But she also isn't saying every trop applies to every game.

We aren't pretending that pimps and prostitutes don't exist, but are you going to pretend that they're as common in real life as they are in games?
As for GTAV, name one female character in that game. I'd be surprised if you could. Now, name one female character that wasn't entirely heinous and awful.
I can do it pretty easily for Saints Row. That game had pimps. It had prostitutes. It also had female characters that existed as characters.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
37. Re: Op Ed Aug 28, 2014, 20:43 Beamer
 
Julio wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 20:09:
Beamer wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 10:21:
I'm sorry, it just seems like people not comfortable enough with their own masculinity and place in the world to question how it impacts other people.

Nice try Beamer, it's because I'm comfortable with my masculinity that I'm against being neutered by the SJW crowd.

Beamer wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:29:
And I don't "judge all male gamers." I'm a male gamer!

I doubt both of those.

If you were comfortable, you'd realize they can't neuter you.
And your last point is clearly trolling. I've been here longer than you, I have more posts than you, and at least as many of yours are about non-game-related things as mine are.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
35. Re: Op Ed Aug 28, 2014, 19:59 Beamer
 
William Usher wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 19:49:
Beamer wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:29:
Lastly, I fail to see how doing what Anita asks, which means occasionally having a female character to something more than get kidnapped or die, would render gaming "well and truly destroyed." Including female characters that do something other than sleep with the hero or die didn't seem to hurt Captain America 2 or Guardians of the Galaxy, the two biggest movies of the year.

It's already been done.

Prez mentioned Borderlands 2 and I rattled off just a few games off the top of my head that are already doing the opposite of what she's complaining about.

Essentially NO ONE from the other side have said why they don't support the games that fit the narrative they say does not exist in gaming. How is Lilly Looking Through or the Giana Sisters sexist or exclusionary? How don't they fit the feminist agenda? And why aren't they being talked about?

As I mentioned, it's not about game culture at all. We don't see the games that should appeal to the SJWs being promoted by the SJWs.

The real issue is that these games that the SJWs feel will "evolve" or "mature" gaming don't sell that well. So who's fault is it that the games they say don't exist actually do exist and the people with the power to promote them won't?

Relatively, the amount is small.
And of course they aren't discussing what doesn't fit their narrative. Because they aren't discussing the current state of games, they're discussing the patterns against women.
 
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News Comments > Titanfall Adding Titan-less Mode
7. Re: Titanfall Adding Titan-less Mode Aug 28, 2014, 19:23 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:28:
So doesn't that make it just "Fall"? Kind of a dumb name for a game...

Well, without them dropping out of the sky, there's no "Fall" either.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
32. Re: Op Ed Aug 28, 2014, 19:22 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:49:
But Anita isn't telling male gamers they're shit. It's what they're hearing, but what she's doing is constructive criticism on a media she cares about that repeatedly has the same flaws.

Firstly, you are incorrect. Anita Sarkeesian has publicly admitted that she cares little for videogames. She is doing this in gaming because it's just a ripe young media still in a formative state that she can infest with her poison and make a fundamental change that may be good for her extremist agenda (and her ample ego) but ultimately be for the worse for gamers. Were she to do this in the movie industry she would be soundly trounced and relegated to the psycho pile. And PLEASE spare me the crap about movies being more progressive than videogames on this because it is absolutely not true.

Secondly, if you really believe that all Sarkeesian wants is the occasional strong female lead then why didn't she crawl back under her rock when the new Tomb Raider came out? I came up with a list of games a while back in which (appropriately clothed) women either share equal roles with men or are the lead, and in 5 minutes I had a list that puts the lie to Sarkeesian's bullshit. She is an extremist activist, not some noble crusader trying to ensure equal treatment for all. Try as you like to sell her cause as one of equality, but it clearly isn't, and more and more gamers are learning the truth about her twisted agenda and soundly rejecting it. It is those gamers you are mad at because they don't buy into hers and your activism.

Just to give ONE example - In Borderlands 2 Lilith is the most powerful character in the game, is a strong leader, and *GASP* actually helps the player save Roland after he is captured. A complete modern role reversal. That's ONE example. No, Sarkeesian is a phony, a liar, and an extremist nutjob who cherrypicks examples, GROSSLY misrepresents them, and then tries to garner sympathy for her agenda disguised as a noble cause from misinformed and misguided useful idiots. Anyone who buys into her idiocy and tries to sell it to me is just ignored until they stop talking stupid.

No. No she didn't. People keep saying she cares little for video games, yet she keeps playing them.

And Anita points out patterns. Just because not every game fits that pattern doesn't mean the pattern doesn't exist. She isn't saying "every game does this." She's saying "many games do this, here are some examples."
So yes, some games do it well. But, relatively, it's a saddeningly small amount. But again, it's false to claim that Anita takes the hard line of "NO VIDEO GAME TREATS WOMEN WELL!"

 
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News Comments > Evening Interviews
67. Re: Evening Interviews Aug 28, 2014, 19:15 Beamer
 
Cpmartins wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:31:
"I believe that's the crux of the argument. Both have you interacting with men in a variety of ways and have men driving the plot, but only one has women doing these things."

One is about a hitman, who is a man. The other is about a chosen one, who can be a woman or a man. There is no argument. No One ever said Lara Croft has a misandric narrative. Because it doesn't. And neither does Hitman. And even if they did, it's besides the point. Developers should be allowed to do whatever they want without fear of social shaming. Notice I didn't say criticism. I meant what Patricia Hernandez (Link) did with Blood Dragon.

As for the link to the second time anita's been lying about developers introducing misogynistic elements in games for the sake of empowering male violence against women, here it is: (Link 2)


And the funny thing about the whole thing is that Josh Sawyer, both Lead Designer and Creative Director for that wonderful game contributed to her campaign, and even tweeted about it.

Stop linking to crappy youtube videos and start just telling people what's in them. I very much appreciate you linking directly to the relevant part, but I'd much rather someone say "here's what is in XXX" and then link to it. We don't all have a lot of time to watch a lot of videos and read a lot of articles. Just tell me what it says and source it. This isn't telling you you suck or a bad person, it's giving constructive feedback that would make replying to you easier and get better responses.


Regardless, you're still missing the point. Anita isn't saying "this game is bad, burn it!" She's saying "here's a pattern that's visible in multiple games." This isn't a witch hunt on her part to point out individual terrible things, it's to show evidence of broad patterns. Maybe you like some of those games. I liked some of those games. She liked some of those games. But there are wide ranging patterns she wants to show.

And she never said Hitman needed to be Hitwoman, she said it would be nice of Hitman featured a single woman that didn't exist solely to die. Or if many games did. Because many games don't.

There's a huge difference between "Here's another example of a game where the only female characters exist to die" and "Hitman is a terrible game because you can't play as a female character and everyone that enjoys Hitman is a terrible person."

She's saying the former, not the latter.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
29. Re: Op Ed Aug 28, 2014, 18:29 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:08:
What is "real sexism?" What is "fake sexism?"

Real Sexism = 1) a woman gamer not being able to play on a server without getting propositioned, harassed,spoken dirty to, etc. without it being solicited 2) a woman game developer getting asked "what are YOU doing making games?!?" or being condescended to because of her gender and so on...

Fake sexism = most anything that comes out of Sarkeesian's piehole, or any of the fabricated controversies by the likes of Zoey Quinn and hypocritical moralizing asshole journalists like at Kotaku, RPS, etc...

What was being done to end real sexism in gaming?

Nothing, because people like you have cried wolf too many times to be listened to when you happen to decry what may be a real case of sexism. Crazy as it may sound, male gamers don't like being told repeatedly they are shit based on the actions of a few immature twits by hypocrites, liars, and misguided white-knights. You know, people like you, who paradoxically judge all male gamers based on the actions of a minority of rude children while telling us liars and phonies like Zoey Quinn don't represent all women in gaming. I'm not really sure I care to explain this to you AGAIN. You obviously are not hearing it or don't accept it. Either way, why do you keep asking if you don't like the answer? I don't have anything against you personally, but if and when the time comes where people like you and Sarkeesian are the majority of the gaming industry, I am indeed going to "move on to other hobbies" as you put it, since gaming will have been well and truly destroyed. Score another one for extremist nutobs, I guess.

But Anita isn't telling male gamers they're shit. It's what they're hearing, but what she's doing is constructive criticism on a media she cares about that repeatedly has the same flaws.

It's the people pushing back that turn this from "hmm, wow, I never thought of this like that" to "STOP TELLING ME I'M SHIT!"

I'm sorry, again, you're saying it's what I'm refusing to hear, but it's more what people are refusing to not hear in the Tropes on Women. It isn't about "you're all wrong!" it's about "we can do this all better."

And I don't "judge all male gamers." I'm a male gamer! I don't condemn individuals, with a few exceptions on this board. But, collectively, we're not doing a very good job being inclusive. In fact, in the past week we've been doing the opposite. If you're a woman and at all interested in gaming, do you think you'd have the same level of interest after all this has gone on?
But that's the thing - male gamers, and I used to do this, take all this constructive criticism personally. Rather than think "hey, is this true?" they just say "stop judging me!"

Lastly, I fail to see how doing what Anita asks, which means occasionally having a female character to something more than get kidnapped or die, would render gaming "well and truly destroyed." Including female characters that do something other than sleep with the hero or die didn't seem to hurt Captain America 2 or Guardians of the Galaxy, the two biggest movies of the year.

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News Comments > Titanfall Adding Titan-less Mode
2. Re: Titanfall Adding Titan-less Mode Aug 28, 2014, 18:27 Beamer
 
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Why?

Desperation.
 
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56. Re: Evening Interviews Aug 28, 2014, 18:08 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 18:05:
Cpmartins wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 15:50:
"Yeah, that thunderf00t takedown does paint her in a bad light RE: Hitman. Yes, the game does allow you to do that, but you can kill women in most games, but it doesn't mean that the game is misogynistic. Most of the people you kill in Hitman are male. Also, I can kill women in Skyrim (in most RPGs in fact), but most of those games don't single out women for sexist treatment. The thing is, there's plenty of sexism in games without having to go to those lengths to portray a game as sexist."

That is one. The other is misusing Fallout: New Vegas's reputation system to lie about players not being punished when killing a girl in Freeside.
Link? I'd like to learn more.

I need to check out the Hitman thing.
I haven't seen it, obviously, but I've playe dHitman. I've played Skyrim. You can kill women in both. But you can only interact with women in ways other than killing in one.

I believe that's the crux of the argument. Both have you interacting with men in a variety of ways and have men driving the plot, but only one has women doing these things.
 
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55. Re: Evening Interviews Aug 28, 2014, 18:06 Beamer
 
Redmask wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 17:14:
I'm not going to waste time on that patronizing, bloated response just to receive 5 more that I have to answer because you have an agenda to push.

It wasn't patronizing.
And I have no agenda to push.

1) I was honest that I tend to think you're a good poster
2) I was honest in saying I'd appreciate someone spelling out for me what they feel I'm doing that's dishonest. For all the posts in these threads that use my name, few get specific.
3) I never tried to engage you in anything more than using what I feel is a weasel word that diminishes an argument because both sides start foaming at the mouth when they see it.

All of this has been genuine. I'm sorry my tone isn't coming through properly and you're seeing it as patronizing or insulting. It isn't easy in topics like this to come across as genuine, even when you're meaning to be. People just see flames.
 
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26. Re: Op Ed Aug 28, 2014, 17:38 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 28, 2014, 17:21:
all the while destroying the cause of ending real sexism in gaming. Sir William absolutely nailed it.
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What was being done to end real sexism in gaming?
What is "real sexism?" What is "fake sexism?"

Using all this "real" stuff just feels like when someone pops in and says something along the lines of "Star Citizen is crap and real gamers know this!" The ambiguous "real" meaning "people that agree with me are more valid than those that don't."

In any case, large amounts of people inside the industry have come out supporting people like Anita. It's the fans that are flaying her. I'd say that's real change. It's those in the studios that can actually change things, and if they're supporting her, the fans will either follow or find new hobbies.
 
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