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82. Re: etc., etc. Oct 24, 2014, 10:43 Beamer
 
Yeahyeah Yeah wrote on Oct 24, 2014, 10:00:
I would point out that, as you said, things are getting better. And they are getting better because of people like Sarkeesian.

No, we're really not.

Thanks to people like Sarkeesian, we're now at the point where any substantial from dissent on these topics is met automatically with one or another variety of demonization.

Do you think it's not important that the next GTA feature a female "protagonist?" Do you not think it's particularly important that 'female representation' is boosted in a genre, in an industry, or even a particularly popular game where there's a skew? Enjoy being belittled, mocked, or attacked if you express this view, being labeled a misogynist, and ultimately having it implied or being out and out accused of supporting death threats against Sarkeesian, and if you denounce such, well that's just your cover story.

Are you a female gamer who dislikes Sarkeesian or, better yet, disowns the beast that is now labeled 'feminism'? Enjoy people questioning your gender, psychoanalyzing you, belittling you, and generally treating you as a threat. Same if you're 'the wrong kind of feminist'.

Is your reply that you'd rather not deal with these issues, that you'd rather focus on games people like, and if someone wants to make a different kind of game they're welcome to it but you don't feel the need to push developers to change their games? Well, now you are 'part of the problem' and exactly the sort of person who ruins games for everyone.

The fact is, things have gotten better - and largely in spite of Sarkeesian. The best things to happen to the game industry in terms of diversity has been the technological advances: the onset of iOS/Android gaming, the rise of digital distribution, the rise of indie gaming, and more. All things which predate Sarkeesian, and radically opened the market up to more people, with more ideas. People like Sarkeesian have taken all this, and added a nice big splash of demonization and demagoguery, to the point where dissent is equated with hating women, and being someone who needs to be bullied, put down, and shamed into silence, because you stand in the way of some glorious gaming future with its glorious monotone expression of the world.

People like Sarkeesian have been a step backwards.


See, but this is funny. Sarkesian may have made dissent demonized, but there was dissent.

Thanks to gg, dissent is disappearing. If you disagree with gg you will have all of your advertisers spammed. If you have a vagina and disagree with gg you will be called a whore, get hacked, have your home address published, and get death threats.

People felt that anyone disagreeing with Anita that these things were misogynistic were guilty of misogyny, and sorry, there's truth there. Way too many guys don't understand the term and do not know it when they see it. They think it is just hating women. You see defences of things like catcalling or half naked heroines as "we do it because it's our nature to appreciate the female form, how can it be misogyny if I love women?" Nope, still misogyny. More men need to stop getting angry and defensive and talking and just start reading and listening to understand how stuff they think is normal and reasonable impacts those around them.

Gamergate shuts down conversation in a very different way.
 
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81. Re: etc., etc. Oct 24, 2014, 10:37 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Oct 24, 2014, 07:23:
Julio wrote on Oct 24, 2014, 06:51:
#GG is still relevant as long as there is rampant corruption in game journalism.

How many of the articles linked to under the umbrella of GamerGate here are about game journalism, or even about games? I'm all for talking about corruption in game journalism.

But we don't seem to be getting articles about it, or discussions about it.

Because absolutely no one really cares about that aspect, and most people that tried had huge fundamental misunderstandings about journalism, ethics, and then wrapped both of those misunderstandings up with giant conspiracy theories and a weird focus on small publications and indie devs rather than larger publications and AAA publishers.
 
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47. Re: etc., etc. Oct 23, 2014, 23:24 Beamer
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 23, 2014, 23:05:
Squirmer wrote on Oct 23, 2014, 23:02:
Mad Max RW wrote on Oct 23, 2014, 22:58:
The mainstream media will NEVER talk about Gamergate truthfully because they need to push the false narrative about misogyny gone wild in America as a tool to guilt people into voting for Hillary in 2016. Think it sounds paranoid? Sure. Write it down, save this post, and come back in two years and try to tell me I was wrong.
wow

I'm usually ahead of the curve on this site by at least a year. A couple years ago I was mocked for saying literally the same stuff everyone is openly discussing now. I'm not surprised at all by your reaction and expect more dismissive and ignorant responses. That's fine. Just come back later and try to tell me I was wrong.

It's true. You have been well ahead of the curve of hatred and being against anyone different than you.

Congratulations, now a large number of gamers are acting and thinking just like you, and getting the same kind of loathing you used to receive around here when you would discuss how poor people deserve to be poor and lacking healthcare.
 
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44. Re: etc., etc. Oct 23, 2014, 23:19 Beamer
 
Extra Credits addresses the moderate GamerGate supporters
And the PR battle to defend the "Gamer" label has gone HORRIBLY. Gamers are getting more negative press right now than I've seen in years, and “GamerGat”e is the name everyone has attached to the problem (fairly or not).

Yup. "Gamers" have never, ever looked worse than they do right now.


And here's what the big Gamergate reddit forum moderators also moderate. Similarly to the celebrities that have supported Gamergate with long histories of hating women but not caring about video games, these guys all moderate anti-woman forums but don't moderate any game forums.
Yup. Ethics. It sure looks to anyone not really buying it that this is totally about ethics.
 
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8. Re: etc., etc. Oct 23, 2014, 20:36 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 23, 2014, 20:15:
So seeing another gamer on the street used to be an auto-smile opportunity, or an entry into a conversation starting with, “Hey, dude! I love that game too!” Me and that stranger automatically had something in common: A love for something unconventional. Outsiders in arms. We had an auto-stepping stone to hurtle over human-introduction-awkwardness, into talking about something we loved together. Instant connection!

And none of that has changed. Those people are still the same people they were two months ago. Although, is she really known for talking to strange men in gaming t-shirts on the street? I hadn't heard that. This story kind of seems contrived to make a point.

Regardless, the internet emboldens people to say shit they'd never say in real life. In person it's quite the opposite, men are friendly to pretty women that walk up to them on the street and express an interest in their hobby. I'd think that Felicia, 34 years old, would have realized this? Maybe it really happened this way. Maybe she's fearful of men she wouldn't have been a couple of months ago. It just seems unlikely for a woman that has been so involved in gaming for so long with so many fantastic experiences to suddenly do a 180.

All that being said, I guess she probably feels vindicated since she was doxxed within minutes. Whoever did that is an asshole.

I would say that was never really true. Unconventional?
I used to live next to Chad Ochocinco. Do you know what Chad Ochocinco did in his free time? He played Xbox. Enormous amounts of Xbox. He'd regularly have people from the neighborhood over for FIFA or Halo. And someone I work with now has a brother in the NFL and they all have Xbox and all play endless amounts against each other during the offseason.

These aren't nerds. These aren't outsiders. These are some of the richest, jockiest, broiest people on the planet. And maybe they're playing Halo or Call of Duty and not FTL or Civ5, but it's still games.
 
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5. Re: etc., etc. Oct 23, 2014, 19:50 Beamer
 
This is actually a very nice explanation of how many people see it.

It's looking at gamergate as an example of narrative. The inflammatory part, which he says mostly in passing, is that gamergate is the reaction of a majority to the introduction of the minority voice to culture as a whole, and that it isn't limited to video games. That gamergate believes:
1) There is no representation problem
2) Any problems are due to marketing economics
3) Status quo is normal and any change is artificial and therefore forced

All of those arguments have been made here repeatedly. And, as he points out, this is why people asking for change are seen as outsiders meddling. This is why war/terror tactics are seen as acceptable, because it's pushing out invaders. And yes, almost all are using war tactics, but only few are using terror tactics, but all are benefiting from those few using terror tactics because it silences so many (see: Clickhole's article yesterday mocking how people need to either agree or face the consequences.)

He adds why so many people use code names instead of real names, as well. All the "Literally Whos" who, incidentally, are all female and none of whom are journalists.
And he mocks how #notmyshield is literally using people as shields.

It's long, and slow to start, but really well thought out.


 
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4. Re: etc., etc. Oct 23, 2014, 19:17 Beamer
 
Felicia Day: posts something very personal about her fear and is doxxed within minutes.
Chris Kluwe: posts something very angry (and taking my view of the "Gamers are Dead," meaning he saw it as "gamers aren't all bitter nerds" and is weirded out at how many people got angry at that and then acted like bitter nerds) and has had nothing to fear at all.


It's definitely nice to be a guy.
 
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33. Re: Morning Interviews Oct 23, 2014, 18:19 Beamer
 
bigspender wrote on Oct 23, 2014, 18:13:
Julio wrote on Oct 23, 2014, 12:14:
Who hasn't been harassed on the internet? I mean it`s happened to lots of us on this site. It's not difficult to poke someone online to make it happen. These people who are making a career of it are going to have to up the ante. Fake attacks will be next once the cash flow dries up from being a professional victim.

Also given men are more likely to be harassed than women (http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/), why is the story one sided again?

It all comes back to no ethics in journalism.


Except if you actually look at the statistics, men are only slightly more likely to be harassed in general, but women are more likely to be stalked and sexually harassed, which a quite a bit more severe than name calling.

Good thing you aren't a journalist.

I'm getting really tired of hearing "it happens to men too" bullshit - that doesn't make it OK.

You mean this line?
Young women, those 18-24, experience certain severe types of harassment at disproportionately high levels: 26% of these young women have been stalked online, and 25% were the target of online sexual harassment. In addition, they do not escape the heightened rates of physical threats and sustained harassment common to their male peers and young people in general.
 
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News Comments > Game Reviews
1. Re: Game Reviews Oct 23, 2014, 12:35 Beamer
 
IGN gave Beyond Earth a 7.9. It's a lot of fun reading the comments and seeing people convinced that IGN is corrupt because it gave Beyond Earth and Alien Isolation lower scores than other reviewers.

"The only way reviews are unbiased is if they all conform exactly and agree entirely!"
 
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38. Re: etc., etc. Oct 22, 2014, 18:00 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 22, 2014, 13:26:
Beamer wrote on Oct 22, 2014, 11:18:
Lastly, can we stop pretending Kotaku discussing the perks in the next CoD is the same thing as CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, or the NYT having journalists embedded in Afghanistan or covering the riots in Ferguson? Stop equating this to actual journalists. Look instead at things like Fangoria or Teen Beat or Spin or Rolling Stone (well, the music coverage of Rolling Stone.) That's the proper analogy for the kinds of journalism we should expect. This isn't world news, this is telling you when video games will come out. You guys keep comparing McDonald's to The French Laundry. They're both "food," but things begin and end there.

Beam,
Are you saying that there's a difference between Kotaku and CNN, MSNBC, & Fox? Because I am not really sure there is much of one in content and presentation, just in scope and revenue and reach. Both are gossipy and vapid. Both hype a product: games and news. Hell, if anything Kotaku is less sensational than those networks. And people deride Politico as "Tiger Beat on the Potomac" for example equating it to those other publications you mentioned. I'll agree that the NYT or WaPo are a cut or two above the cable TV networks, but what's on TV is uniformly as shallow as any gaming site out there. For in-depth coverage and analysis of the nation's or world's problems, I suggest some of the sites I listed. For TV I suggest BBC or Al Jazeera, which are still shallow because TV, but aren't nearly as vapid (I'm sure you know this already).

Fun fact: I've actually been to Al Jazeera's headquarters/studio in Doha.
And I agree, the US stations are horrible for actual news rather than muckraking and gossiping.

My point being, these guys are simply editorials and news coming from PR companies/departments. They're not Woodward and Bernstein and never will be. Comparing what video game journalists do to what Pulitzer prize winning newspaper journalists do seems unreasonable on many levels.

They exist to tell you when games come out and how they feel about those games. That's it. There's no room for them to do more.
 
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17. Re: etc. Oct 22, 2014, 17:48 Beamer
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Oct 22, 2014, 17:24:
Beamer wrote on Oct 22, 2014, 11:14:
Many are claiming Sam Biddle's comments were sarcastic and taken out of context. Well, if true, that's why you don't make unclear, context-free comments with only 144 characters. It's the same weak excuse that jackass made after threatening Steam.
Out of curiosity, how can a pro-bullying comment be taken out of context? That's literally what he said, "bring back bullying" "nerds need to be attacked." And it's not the first time either he's said something like that.

I'm not defending him, I have no idea.
 
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33. Re: etc., etc. Oct 22, 2014, 12:09 Beamer
 
Flatline wrote on Oct 22, 2014, 11:34:
Beamer wrote on Oct 22, 2014, 11:18:
These issues, of discussing employees with other potential employers, do happen everywhere. Again, I don't find this some smoking gun that the chat room was evil and unethical.

Again, go into those journalist bars and you'll see editors sitting around and, yes, they'll be discussing problems with employees. Some may be stupid and use names.

But said journalists are not stupid enough to write the shit down. And I'm sure if you pulled out a tape recorder they'd clam the fuck up. Yeah sure, there's collusion all the time, and it's a pissoff, but without proof what can you do right?

These asshats documented the proof themselves. They deserve no pity for being so... I dunno if it's stupid or egotistical or short-sighted as to document basically confessions of wrongdoing.

When someone brags on facebook that they robbed a house and the police nail them for it we don't say "but there's burglaries all the time so what's the big deal?"

We laugh at them for being idiots and ignoring common sense.

Journalists are absolutely stupid.
But, c'mon, these aren't journalists, these are people telling you how much the Season Pass for Borderlands 3 will cost.
 
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5. Re: Adobe Oct 22, 2014, 12:02 Beamer
 
Elf Shot The Food wrote on Oct 22, 2014, 11:25:
Beamer wrote on Oct 22, 2014, 11:14:
Elf Shot The Food wrote on Oct 22, 2014, 11:07:
What's funny about that Adobe story is that someone who writes for the Ars Technica "liked" the pro-bullying tweets made by that Gawker idiot. And when someone in the comments section brought that up, no one responded.

Many are claiming Sam Biddle's comments were sarcastic and taken out of context. Well, if true, that's why you don't make unclear, context-free comments with only 144 characters. It's the same weak excuse that jackass made after threatening Steam.

Strange how that logic only applies to them and not to those they're attacking.

Have you not noticed that, if you try to apply what one person says to the whole, everything everyone says is hypocritical?

 
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30. Re: etc., etc. Oct 22, 2014, 11:18 Beamer
 
These issues, of discussing employees with other potential employers, do happen everywhere. Again, I don't find this some smoking gun that the chat room was evil and unethical.

Again, go into those journalist bars and you'll see editors sitting around and, yes, they'll be discussing problems with employees. Some may be stupid and use names.

Or go to GDC. There you'll find tons of developers from tons of different studios sitting together and discussing things like what you should and should not do in games. That's half the point of GDC panels. Yes, morality and plot devices come up repeatedly. Then go to one of the bars after the panels and see people discussing these same things.
This isn't at all unusual.

Lastly, can we stop pretending Kotaku discussing the perks in the next CoD is the same thing as CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, or the NYT having journalists embedded in Afghanistan or covering the riots in Ferguson? Stop equating this to actual journalists. Look instead at things like Fangoria or Teen Beat or Spin or Rolling Stone (well, the music coverage of Rolling Stone.) That's the proper analogy for the kinds of journalism we should expect. This isn't world news, this is telling you when video games will come out. You guys keep comparing McDonald's to The French Laundry. They're both "food," but things begin and end there.
 
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2. Re: Adobe Oct 22, 2014, 11:14 Beamer
 
Elf Shot The Food wrote on Oct 22, 2014, 11:07:
What's funny about that Adobe story is that someone who writes for the Ars Technica "liked" the pro-bullying tweets made by that Gawker idiot. And when someone in the comments section brought that up, no one responded.

Many are claiming Sam Biddle's comments were sarcastic and taken out of context. Well, if true, that's why you don't make unclear, context-free comments with only 144 characters. It's the same weak excuse that jackass made after threatening Steam.
 
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24. Re: etc., etc. Oct 22, 2014, 03:38 Beamer
 
Squirmer wrote on Oct 22, 2014, 00:52:
It's pretty naive to think that journalists in any field don't communicate with each other though. It's no different with games. Journalists don't care if their corporations are competing, they are still colleagues on an individual level. You don't think all those journalists who sit together at press conferences aren't getting drinks later on and discussing their work?

This naivety about how journalists actually do their jobs is probably one of the reasons why mainstream coverage of gamergate is dismissive of it.

There are a few journalist bars in NYC. After 5 its all newspaper reporters. Yes, they discuss work. The crews in Ferguson all meet for drinks near their hotels and do the same.
 
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12. Re: Evening Tech Bits Oct 21, 2014, 23:15 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 21, 2014, 22:20:
NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders.

While correlation isn't causation, I'd be surprised if the cultural perception of computers didn't have some influence. Might be small though.

Ok. Ok ok ok. I know people don't like this going back to Gamergate, but this is what some people were saying in the Gamers are Dead articles, right? That ads in the 80s created a "computer nerd" or a "gamer." Suddenly liking computers, and especially liking video games, was seen as something for pasty, sexless males. And it became an identity.

I don't think it's an awful hypothesis.
 
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21. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Oct 21, 2014, 20:26 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Oct 21, 2014, 20:24:
Beamer wrote on Oct 21, 2014, 17:00:
I agree that, were this to get to the SC, it would be struck down, but when they had the chance to strike it down they declined, but that was because they chose to discuss a different aspect.

SCOTUS refused to deal with the case again (I thought Whorley had lost, but they never even bothered to take it) because (emphasis mine)

Dwight Whorley was convicted under 18 U.S.C. sec. 1466A for using a Virginia Employment Commission computer to receive "obscene Japanese anime cartoons that graphically depicted prepubescent female children being forced to engage in genital-genital and oral-genital intercourse with adult males".[5][6][7] He was also convicted of possessing child pornography involving real children. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison

Whether the anime he had was CP was irrelevant. He had ACTUAL child pornography, at which point he was going to rot in jail anyway.

Yup, and the time they heard it prior to that the primary issue was whether asking for child pornography was covered by the first amendment, not what constituted it.

So they've just avoided this topic, but I think that, if they had to, they'd kill the law. They had previously killed the 1996 one.
 
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34. Re: Evening Interviews Oct 21, 2014, 19:56 Beamer
 
nin wrote on Oct 21, 2014, 19:56:
Seventyfive wrote on Oct 21, 2014, 19:13:
Task wrote on Oct 20, 2014, 22:38:
Why is this on mass media now... why...

Because the Democratic party is a train wreck going into the elections and MSNBC is just a shill for the DNC. They need to fill time with something other than the fact that the Democrats are probably going to lose the senate.

6/10. Effort, but but spectacular.


Shit.
Hooked!
 
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5. Re: etc., etc. Oct 21, 2014, 19:39 Beamer
 
nin wrote on Oct 21, 2014, 19:23:
Curious about destructiod...

That One Angry Gamer link has some absolutely horrifying quotes by the Destructoid owner/founder about a former writer. I mean, even if what he's saying is true there's no way in hell he should be saying it.
 
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