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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
9. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 27, 2014, 12:23 Beamer
 
Axis wrote on Oct 27, 2014, 11:57:
I'm making another killer PC system for my son, getting Super Smash bros for the Wii-U, and gladly avoiding any xbone/ps4 crap marketing.

I've seen both at length and I'm not the least impressed -- it's still PC + Nintendo for our family.

I miss the days of having roommates to endlessly play SSBM with.
I do mean endlessly. I'd say there was a 100:1 ratio of hours spent playing SSBM to hours spent studying/in class while I was in law school. We wouldn't even turn the GC off, we'd just pause it, go somewhere, come back and unpause it. Waiting for the thing to boot was tooooooo looooong.
 
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News Comments > etc.
42. Re: etc. Oct 27, 2014, 11:14 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Oct 27, 2014, 10:34:
People keep pointing out that pro-GG isn't talking about ethics but honestly, how can they when they are constantly required to debunk the deliberate misrepresentation of their cause over and over again. Admittedly any large movement starts to resemble a multi-headed beast once it becomes large enough, but from what I've seen GG people have done a respectable job of staying on message when they aren't being attacked by activists with a vested interest in branding them as all sorts of horrible things.

You could ignore that, or you could do something about ethics.
Again, it's endlessly the wrong "unethical" targets, overwhelmingly women, and nothing is being done about ethics.

Nothing.
Not a single thing has been done about ethics.

We've seen Leigh Alexander punished, but she wasn't unethical. We've seen Sam Biddle punished, but he wasn't a video game journalist. We've seen Anita Sarkeesian chased from her house, Zoe Quinn sexually harassed, and Brianna Wu also chased from her house. We've seen several, lesser-known women chased from the industry as a whole.

We have not seen a single thing done due to journalism ethics.
So if not a single thing is being done about one aspect, but enormous amounts of things are being done against women, how are we supposed to view this?
 
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News Comments > etc.
2. Re: etc. Oct 27, 2014, 11:12 Beamer
 
Ug.

Seriously, how do people still think that Newsweek is wrong and this has been about journalism ethics?

Look at the Reddit forum - everyone talks about Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, and feminists. No one discusses ethics or finds legitimate ethical violations. Everyone talks about woman-dominated indie games and no one discusses the huge issue of all the free swag AAA publishers give for reviews.

Take a look at Blues: can anyone actually say that journalism ethics has been even 10% of the posts about gamergate here?

And if it's about journalism ethics, how come Anita Sarkeesian (not a journalist) seems to be the pivot point? I've yet to see a single "gamergater" say "she makes some good points and I support what she does, but that isn't the point of this." Instead discussions of her, which are endless, go along this range "cherry-picking, wrong, blowing out of proportion, opportunist, Jack Thompson, censorship, hitler, feminizazi, route of all evil."

This is all the discussion turns around - women. Constantly women. Never journalism. And nothing has been accomplished around journalism at all. Sure, Gamasutra was punished for not being unethical, and Gawker was punished for not being unethical (which doesn't make punishing Sam Biddle wrong, but he did not violate any ethics nor is he a video game journalism. I can't repeat those two points often enough.)

Seriously. If this is about journalism ethics find appropriate targets and do something! Instead people keep saying it's about journalism ethics but doing absolutely nothing on that front while people inside gamergate constantly attack women. Of course that's what it's about if it's the only thing anyone identifying as a gamergater is doing! No one is doing anything about journalism ethics. Even the fringe supporters that claim to be too busy for action and just there for support, ie people here, don't discuss it because they're too busy discussing women.

If you can honestly look at the discussions here on Blues and say it's about journalism and not women... I just don't know what else to say.
 
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News Comments > etc.
27. Re: etc. Oct 26, 2014, 21:06 Beamer
 
Dmitri_M wrote on Oct 26, 2014, 19:40:
That mainstream media choose to connect gamers with the worst possible societal problems is nothing new. For years they've attempted to link playing games with school shootings. With people who don't find meaningful employment. Now with misogyny, and death threats.

Except this time, you know, its factual, with a giant movement angry at women and full of death threats.

Seriously, what journalist ethics have you guys attacked thus far?
 
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News Comments > etc.
26. Re: etc. Oct 26, 2014, 21:05 Beamer
 
FloorPie wrote on Oct 26, 2014, 21:02:
Good place for info, gamergate side anyway:

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/

As for DA3, I'm not surprised. Time will tell if all they have under the hood is gay/bi/alt/alien/whatever romance story lines.

As I linked to yesterday, the word count on that forum had over 2000 hits for "feminist" and not even 600 for "ethics."

Not about ethics.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
10. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 26, 2014, 15:58 Beamer
 
I wear raw denim. I will go 100-180 wears between washings, unless they are dirty.

But I also have six pairs I alternate through (which is like $1200 in denim.) if you don't wear every day you have no issues with bacteria because they aren't moist enough for it to grow.
 
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News Comments > Saturday Interviews
28. Re: Saturday Interviews Oct 25, 2014, 19:03 Beamer
 
Yeahyeah, find me one journalist ethics that Sam biddle violated. Not your own theory, but an actual, professional list. There are plenty out there.

And no, I'm not reading your gibberish because it is ignorant. Sorry. Your views on misogyny are shaped by your experiences and your rationale for your actions. That's not right. Again, this is a factual misunderstanding you have. Misogyny isn't as fluid and vague as you make it, which is how I know my view is more accurate than yours.
 
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News Comments > Saturday Interviews
27. Re: Saturday Interviews Oct 25, 2014, 19:00 Beamer
 
Flatline, you misunderstand the argument. I'm not saying it us fact because the nyt says it. I say it is fact because popular opinion says so. Vastly, infinitely more people think it is about women than think it is about journalism.

That, and none of the discussions are ever about journalism.
 
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News Comments > Saturday Interviews
22. Re: Saturday Interviews Oct 25, 2014, 18:17 Beamer
 
I stopped reading at you saying what Sam Biddle said was an ethical violation. Where, exactly, is "not being a dickhead on Twitter" in any journalist code of ethics?

Things YeahYeahYeah doesn't understand:
1) Misogyny
2) What ethics are standard for journalism


Sam Biddle is a stupid moron. He is not a video game journalist, so saying this is about video game journalism then going after him is incorrect. He did not do anything unethical, so saying it's about ethics is also incorrect. He said something you don't like, so you used your power as a mass to punish him. Censor, perhaps.

Which is what this is all about, isn't it? A bunch of somewhat nerdy people who have long thought video games were all about them are seeing people they think are outsiders coming in on their turf and making them less relevant so they're flexing as much "power" as they can, proving to themselves they still have it as they lash out without any kind of logic or rationale, just because they can, at anyone that they think has insulted them (but mainly women.)
 
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News Comments > Saturday Interviews
19. Re: Saturday Interviews Oct 25, 2014, 18:09 Beamer
 
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Oct 25, 2014, 18:06:
Beamer, well done, but don't get drawn in too much by Yeahyeah, that is somebody's trolling account, registered Aug 29th, 2014.


But he isn't the only one here insisting it's about journalism and ethics when exactly nothing being talked about and none of the actions being taken are aimed at journalists or are about ethics. It's all just women, feminists, and SJWs.
 
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News Comments > Saturday Interviews
18. Re: Saturday Interviews Oct 25, 2014, 18:07 Beamer
 
The NYT gets into it again, saying Gamergate looks much more like a campaign of harassment against women and it's disenheartening to see how many gamers support this and enjoy this.

To me, these anti-intellectual players, who want games to be “just games” and want criticism of them to be devoid of things like political and social context, are almost as worrisome as the horrifying, and criminal, actions of the harassers.

Ironically, most of those same people that want games to be "just games" were the same ones irate at Ebert for saying games weren't art.

This is in the NYT, the world's most read newspaper, in the Sunday Review section, one of their more popular.
 
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News Comments > Saturday Interviews
15. Re: Saturday Interviews Oct 25, 2014, 17:08 Beamer
 
Yeahyeah Yeah wrote on Oct 25, 2014, 16:44:
Beamer wrote on Oct 25, 2014, 16:36:
It's telling that you think you've done "honest reflection" and don't think Gamergate is doing anything wrong.

It's likewise telling that you think the proper response to insults is to do what the people insulting you think you should do. I imagine you think women should be far less bossy?

Or maybe I should focus on your apparently inability to think someone could honestly reflect on an issue and come to a different conclusion than you. Then again, you think your opinions about feminism and the like, including presumably GamerGate, are the stuff of scientific certainty, as obviously correct as 'gravity exists'.

I wonder if that's extremism?

"I imagine you think women should be far less bossy."
Ha! I don't even know where that came from.


Ok, fine, it's about ethics! Let's look at what you guys have accomplished:
1) You cut off an advertiser on Gamasutra due to Leigh Alexander writing an editorial you did not understand and did not like. But writing an unpopular editorial isn't an ethical violation, and Gamasutra isn't even a consumer website, it's a trade publication. You aren't even in the audience for it
2) You cut off an advertiser on Gawker due to the actions of Sam Biddle on Twitter. Sam Biddle isn't a video game journalist, and being a dickhead also isn't an ethical violation
3) Gotten several female games journalists to leave the industry, also based on unpopular editorials rather than ethical violations


So, there you go.
You've also:
1) Totally ignored AAA publishers, the ones that are actually behind any real ethical violation
2) Totally ignored calling out any PR departments, instead focusing solely on an agency that was owned by a female indie dev you disliked
3) Run several female indie devs from their houses
4) Managed to get at least one female indie dev to stop making games
5) Compiled a list of at least 7 "Literally Who's," none of which are journalists and all of which are female
6) Never stopped talking about Zoe Quinn
7) Found absolutely 0 examples of unethical journalism. Yes, there was the blacklisting of a reporter, but that wasn't due to his coverage being biased or him blowing some whistle on an improper relationship between the industry and the publications
8) Made Anita Sarkeesian somewhat of a small celebrity outside of games, despite her not being a journalist
9) Made all gamers look like petty little manchildren


There's been absolutely 0 done on the front of "journalism ethics," and for some reason it's been focused solely on indies (and, incidentally, female indies, maybe because there are so few females to spot in AAA development.)
Yet there's been an endless discussion about feminism (and how evil it is) and misogyny (and how it isn't a problem because, I mean, most people involved are straight males and how can a straight male hate women when he loves looking at them so much!?)
 
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News Comments > Saturday Interviews
12. Re: Saturday Interviews Oct 25, 2014, 16:36 Beamer
 
Yeahyeah Yeah wrote on Oct 25, 2014, 16:29:
I'll give different advice. If you're saying or supporting what you think is right, and people are attacking you and viciously criticizing you, saying you're doing something wrong... and you, upon honest reflection, can't see that you're doing anything wrong... then you should keep doing what you're doing, and pay no mind to the people attacking you. Undermine them, and move on.

It's telling that you think you've done "honest reflection" and don't think Gamergate is doing anything wrong.
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
146. Re: etc., etc. Oct 25, 2014, 16:09 Beamer
 
beremot wrote on Oct 25, 2014, 15:47:
I can't figure out how to post links here, but if you want some empirical evidence that my assertion is a fact, then go to Newsweek's site. They hired someone to look directly at the numbers, and the results don't lie.

Please don't try to tell me that a bland, middle of the road entity like Newsweek is part of the vast left wing media conspiracy against you too.

I linked to that Newsweek article below.

Frankly, people keep claiming it's about journalism ethics, but no one is talking about it! No one! On Twitter and Reddit it's all Zoe fucking Quinn and SJWs all the time. It's all whining about feminism all the time.

No one is taking journalists to task unless they write a perfectly ethical editorial they happen to not agree with.


Anyone saying "it is about journalism ethics" is either not paying close attention (which I think most on this board are) or delusional (which a very small few on this board are.)
To Twitter, it's about women.
To Reddit, it's about women.
To games sites, it's about women.
To technology sites, it's about women.
To mainstream media sites, it's about women.
To developers, it's about women.
To a significant number of gamers, it's about women.
To Milo from Breitbart, it's about women.
So who is it about journalism to?
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
144. Re: etc., etc. Oct 25, 2014, 15:40 Beamer
 
And if you're going to attack Breitbart, just go after Milo. Not only does he have a long history of mocking gamers, which was only second to hating women, he also has a background of White Supremecy, as well as rigging awards ceremonies, and, of course, ethically not paying the employees of his blog.

Why are all the celebrities that are a part of gamergate right wing nutjobs with long histories of hating women?
Meanwhile, the only "name" developer anyone can find supporting it is Brad Wardell, who isn't really a big developer and certainly has reasons, having been demonized in the press as a woman hater before (seemingly unfairly.) Again, like Milo, though, there's history there. Meanwhile, nearly every other developer who has spoken out has said that they don't agree with gamergate, don't agree with the message, want to hear the criticism, think there are issues with games that need to be fixed, and don't need their consumers fighting these battles for them.
 
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News Comments > Saturday Interviews
9. Re: Breitbart Oct 25, 2014, 15:34 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Oct 25, 2014, 15:04:
Gamergate started as a response to the marked lack of journalistic ethics when reporting on the advancing agenda of notable feminists while ignoring all counterpoint. These concepts - ethics and feminism- are not mutually exclusive as they are irrevocably tied together in this case. In short it is about both. To say otherwise is being disingenuous.

But how much of the discussion is about ethics? 10%? 20%?
How much of the attacking is aimed at the media?
How much of anything even discusses the media, other than complaining about "SJWs" and editorials?

Hell, the best you get is people complaining about how reviews are done and demanding that people review something "on the merits," which is non-sensical, or demands reviews be unbiased, which is idiotic - how can an opinion on a product not have a bias? Aren't you reading a review specifically for a bias?
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
143. Re: etc., etc. Oct 25, 2014, 15:32 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Oct 25, 2014, 02:11:
I disagree with your definition of misogyny Beamer. Every major dictionary I can find (at least a dozen) defines it simply as either 1) a hatred of women or 2) a feeling of superiority to women. Games are not misogynistic; I don't buy the Wikipedia pop culture definition you provide because it is not what misogyny is.

Objectification of women is not necessarily misogyny; you are abusing the definition. Sexist maybe, but not misogynist. Can the things you describe be symptomatic of misogyny? Yes, but they alone are not proof that misogyny exists. There are no misogynist games that I am aware of; you need to stop redefining the word.

By your all-encompassing definition I can equally make the claim that games are misandrist. Men are objectified by hookers and strippers as nothing but cash dispensers, and the depiction of men as sex-starved Neanderthals is quite denigrating. Are the three leads in GTA 5 anything but denigrating depictions of men? Alas, you can't just redefine a word to suit your argument.

Google "define misogyny":
mi·sog·y·ny
noun
noun: misogyny
dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Note "ingrained prejudice."

"Hatred" is an extreme simplification. Even wifebeaters love women. But they still beat them. They're still misogynists. But they'll deny it all day long because they love women.

 
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News Comments > Saturday Interviews
6. Re: Breitbart Oct 25, 2014, 14:28 Beamer
 
Newsweek has Brandweek analyze tweets, and lo and behold, most aren't about journalism.

Similarly, here's the most frequent words used in KotakuInAction. "Ethics" is 593 uses. "Feminist" is 1979.

Not. About. Ethics. It's time to get over that fiction and let this thing die. If you consider yourself a moderate gamergater, just let it die. It isn't accomplishing anything other than making gamers look every bit like the awful stereotype people no longer feel is fair.
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
124. Re: etc., etc. Oct 25, 2014, 01:20 Beamer
 
You can't disagree with the claims without misunderstanding it. Sorry. You don't get it.

I'm not projecting. You're being a typical dude and arguing about misogyny in games. You can't make that argument if you understand the concept. You keep talking about your opinion. It's not about opinion.
 
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120. Re: etc., etc. Oct 25, 2014, 01:01 Beamer
 
Each posts proves further and further that you do not understand the concept of misogyny, yet you insist on your strong misunderstanding and holding others to it.

I used to be like you. Then I realized maybe i was wrong, and more.l importantly, maybe my opinion on what was misogyny wasn't too important due to my lack of experience on the receiving end.

You don't care, though. You don't care what misogyny is. Most dudes don't. You just want a definition that makes you not guilty of it, and easy to rationalize thing away, without having to think about what you do or change your ways at all. You just want it to be something that other men do, cruel ones that exist mostly in fiction, that do things you'd never do. Your worldview can't allow that you are guilty of it, but you are. So am I.
 
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