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News Comments > Op Ed
26. Re: Op Ed Jun 18, 2014, 16:40 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Jun 18, 2014, 16:29:
jdreyer wrote on Jun 18, 2014, 15:35:
I know, right? What were those uppity black folks back in the '60s THINKING? All those marches and rallies and riots did nothing to further their cause! If only they'd gently nudged.

And look at all the violence that ensued during that period. That's precisely my point. The government had to call out the fucking national guard in several states just to keep order. That's the end result of trying to force people into things they don't agree with. And what do you have today? Still a heavily fractured melting pot that doesn't melt. Multiculturalism doesn't work. And men and women are not equals. That doesn't mean one is inherently better than the other, it just means they're not equals. All the feel good PC liberalism is just so much Disneyfied bullshit. Walt Disney knew it was all bullshit, but it would sell. Do you honestly believe the ditch diggers of the world are just as important to humanity as someone like Stephen Hawking?

Ho
Ly
Shit.

The guy that last week said that the war against the Nazis was unnecessary is now saying that the 1960s civil rights movement was stupid because people were being forced to think a way?

No, Cliven Bundy! It isn't about forcing people to think, it's about forcing society to act. No one gives two shits if you're a racist Canadian redneck, people care that you can't fire someone for being the wrong color or the wrong gender.

That's what the Civil Rights movement got us.

And, with video games, no one gives a shit that Batman is a dude, despite you repeatedly saying it. What people care about is that video games star, almost exclusively, straight white males. Non-straight, non-white or non-males tend to be minor roles, often underclothed and in distress.

Why? In part because video games are simply escapism for lonely straight white males that don't like who they are. They want to be the big shot hero. This is the same vocal minority that wear fedoras, kill sorority girls that turn them down, and create fake Twitter accounts claiming to be females of color to post ridiculous feminist stuff to discredit any move to equality.

Hollywood isn't like this. The Hunger Games is about a strong female who's clothed. Even comic book movies now - Natalie Portman is Thor's clothed love interest. Scarlett Johansson is Captain America's clothed partner who saves his ass.
In video games? No. This doesn't happen often. People don't care much that many video games are trite, whitewashed male bullshit. People care that it's almost exclusive.

And the reason it becomes a bigger deal is that the vocal majority of video gamers are straight white men (boys, when it comes to this) that are wholly incapable of empathy or seeing another point of view. When they're told their hobby has flaws they lash out like children, giving the same super-angry responses. They can't even think for a second what this would be like if they were a woman. No surprise, the same group tends to completely deny that they have any kind of privilege in this world, even when being able to find an infinite amount of games depicting exactly what they want is something only their class is capable of, a privilege right there.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
24. Re: Op Ed Jun 18, 2014, 16:27 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Jun 18, 2014, 15:35:
Cutter wrote on Jun 18, 2014, 11:49:
Holy blue flaming Jesus on a pogo stick! This PC bullshit has to cease because all it's doing is creating a reactionary backlash. It's one thing to politely nudge people along to a better world. It's another thing to get all hardcore militant, insult people and pick fights with them simply because they don't share your point of view.
You catch more flies with honey, as the old adage goes.

I know, right? What were those uppity black folks back in the '60s THINKING? All those marches and rallies and riots did nothing to further their cause! If only they'd gently nudged.


Replace "men" in his rant with "rich people and corporations." Typical, though. If its something where Cutter is being screwed it's evil and needs to be mentioned everywhere. If it's something where he's the one benefitting then everyone needs to shut the hell up.

That's this whole place, though. Derek Smart calls buyers freeloaders? Moral outrage. Thief not as good as the original? Lets burn something. Games are overly whitewashed and male? Shut up you whiner, this isn't a real problem!
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
13. Re: Op Ed Jun 18, 2014, 11:36 Beamer
 
Verno wrote on Jun 18, 2014, 11:25:
Cutter wrote on Jun 18, 2014, 11:23:
Do you yourself a favor and put Beamer on ignore. He's nothing but a troll. Haven't you noticed by now that all he does is play the contrarian to get a rise out of people?

Uh that's mostly what you do actually.

Ignoring the usual gender debate, the other article makes some good points about what was lost in the transition from couch play to online. Outside of Nintendo consoles it seems to not really be a priority for companies anymore.

The problem with the couch is simply that it's difficult. When I was a student, which I seem to have been for about 40 years, it was easy. I had roommates, or I had people across the hall. Hell, in business school we brought a second TV over a few times and did 8 player couch Halo.

Now, as an adult, I don't even know enough people that like to game that live in my city, let alone have the ability to organize them. It's 100% true that gaming on the couch is infinitely more fun, just much more difficult.

As for Cutter, I don't think he trolls. I think he's just a horrible, miserable human being. Who somehow thinks he's "mostly positive." I can't imagine this place would suffer much without his posts, which tend to be: everywhere; dismissively negative; or just a one-liner with no relevance to the topic, other than commenting on maybe one word in the title. But I know a few here (you, for one), feel that way about me, so no issue.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
12. Re: Op Ed Jun 18, 2014, 11:33 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Jun 18, 2014, 11:10:
Beamer wrote on Jun 18, 2014, 10:33:
SS wrote on Jun 18, 2014, 09:40:
Anita Sarkeesian is one cute little cupcake.

Proving the point.


I have to ask, how exactly? I just don't see how calling a cute girl a "cute little cupcake" in a forum is in any way demeaning, much less misogynist. And please don't answer "that's because you aren't a woman" which is both inherently obvious and a copout.

And the misogynist things people say in respone to stuff like this is largely to simply get a rise out of people like yourself; very few people if any actually mean it. It's called "joking".

Woman says something she finds insightful.
Man responds by commenting on her body.

You don't see this happening often? And to defend it as "it's a joke," doesn't really mean much when he was still trying to dismiss her. That part wasn't a joke.

Don't you guys remember being, say, 12, and trying to sit at the adult table at a holiday, and every time you said something you were treated like a child, as if what you said had no meaning because of your age? You don't see women going through that fairly regularly? Hell, even when Jenny McCarthy, the biggest idiot in the world, gets dismissed it's rarely about her content and more often people mentioning her physical appearance. Seriously, go read the comments on an article about her and count how many mention that she's a woman or use gender-specific words. Then go read one on someone like Ted Cruz and compare how differently he gets dismissed.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
6. Re: Op Ed Jun 18, 2014, 10:33 Beamer
 
SS wrote on Jun 18, 2014, 09:40:
Anita Sarkeesian is one cute little cupcake.

Proving the point.

Even the cracked article from yesterday's ootb pointed this issue out, and the worse issue that you can't mention it without games flipping their shit in ways more dramatic than anything else can. For some odd reason they view it as a personal attack and get super defensive, irrational, and say the worst misogynistic stuff to prove there's no issue.

Or, people like Cutter who get irate when companies screw him for a profit claim this is fine because companies do it for a profit.
 
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News Comments > New Deus Ex Details?
26. Re: New Deus Ex Details? Jun 17, 2014, 19:21 Beamer
 
Squirmer wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 19:17:
Beamer wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 14:21:
Wildone wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 14:10:
Guess you never played the original, or played PC games before the year 2003

siapnar wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 13:03:
Deus Ex: HR kicked so much ass. Dunno what the hell people are complaining about.

Pumped for a next iteration

How's it feel to live in the past?
Well the games are better at least.

I don't get your point. It's pretty widely thought that the original Deus Ex is a better game than HR, so why would you criticise someone who wants a return to the original's quality?

That wasn't what he said. He said, essentially, that games haven't been good since 2003.

Sorry, if you think your favorite hobby has sucked for 11 years, why bother dedicating so much time to it? There are other ways you can spend your time. Ones that likely won't aggravate you as much as you constantly whine that things used to be so much better.
 
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News Comments > Morning Mobilization
10. Re: Morning Mobilization Jun 17, 2014, 19:01 Beamer
 
descender wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 17:52:
The cost only drops if you were the guy buying that $2000 option in the first place. If enough people were doing that, they probably wouldn't be going after cell phone GPS's. If it is made mandatory then every car sold costs maybe a few hundred dollars more? The cost of the average car certainly will not decrease as you suggested earlier.

In 2018 or whatever year it ends up being, every car in America will cost $150-$300 more to manufacture (and more than that for the consumer because... profits) because of the now mandatory back-up cameras. How is that reducing the cost of anything, other than buying an after-market back-up camera??

I didn't say the cost of the car decreased, I said the cost of the option decreases. Price is extremely, extremely important to car manufacturers. The cost wouldn't rise by even a few hundred, because they'd lose customers. Cars come standard with airbags everywhere, but the costs haven't increased. Backup cameras also won't increase the price. I don't think you exactly understand how car companies tend to do their pricing - it's often done before the car is designed. The engineers are tasked with building a car that can be sold at that cost. Prices don't rise. What will happen is the high margin option disappears, which happens from time to time.

As for your theory that "they wouldn't be going after cell phone GPSs," well, you're using your hypothesis to prove your argument. My whole point is THEY AREN'T! This is legitimately a company that thinks that people driving with their cellphone in their hand are causing accidents. This is not an auto lobbying group.

1.8 million cars were sold with in-dash GPS in 2009. 3 million were sold in 2012. An expected 13 million will be sold in 2019. Here's the thing: The people that tend to buy a $2,000 in-dash option aren't the people that want to hold their phone in their hands while driving. The cannibalization you are claiming hasn't shown to be true. In large part this is because, as I said, the nav systems tend to be upgrades that include new controls, better phone connectivity, etc. People buy them for far more than just the GPS.
 
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News Comments > Morning Mobilization
8. Re: Morning Mobilization Jun 17, 2014, 17:36 Beamer
 
descender wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 17:11:
Optional equipment becoming mandatory typically results in massive price drops

No it... doesn't? Maybe the cost for aftermarket equipment drops as the demand bottoms out... but certainly not the cost of the overall car to you, the consumer. Of course they want it to remain a $2000 upgrade! The issue is that as phones have improved, now they can't sell it as an option for any cost. By making it mandatory, the average cost of all cars goes up and they make more money in the long run.

No, it does. Nav systems are a $2000 option right now. Do you think that, if the government mandates them, every car price would go up $2000?

Of course not.
 
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News Comments > Line Of Defense $99 Early Access
64. Re: Line Of Defense $99 Early Access Jun 17, 2014, 17:34 Beamer
 
I mean, I understand thinking that open betas lead to freeloaders. They do - they attract people that just want a free taste of an upcoming game, not people looking to help squash bugs [note: I've been this kind of freeloader many times. There's nothing wrong with it.] This is why most treat open betas as stress tests, not beta tests. It's about testing your servers, not about testing the client. Or, in the new days of data collection, testing balance. But it isn't about soliciting feedback.

But saying you can't do a $30 EA because those people paying $30 would be freeloaders? Odd.
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
18. Re: Morning Legal Briefs Jun 17, 2014, 16:34 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 16:28:
Oh come on, man. So you don't cheat on your taxes at all? Anytime you ever bought or sold a used car you made sure the government got every penny due them? You refused doing any cash deals with contractors to make sure you pay all the taxes you can? Anywhere you've ever paid cash you insist on receipts so you can pay the tax you owe on it?

The reality is if there's a demand and people feel it's too costly they're going to cheat, lie, and steal. And the fact these corporations make money hand over fist in corporate welfare schemes means I really don't feel the least bit guilty about it. When they start paying their fair share to society then come talk to me. If they have zero problem about doing anything for buck why should I be a sucker that does?

There's a big difference between this and "it's their fault I have to do this so they deserve it!"

Also, Cutter: in one post whines about companies not paying taxes, in another says he won't be the only sucker that does. As if Apple should be the only sucker corporation that does. This is why the onus is on the government to fix things, not corporations to voluntarily pay more.
Does Cutter ever post anything not hypocritical?
 
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News Comments > Morning Mobilization
5. Re: Morning Mobilization Jun 17, 2014, 16:08 Beamer
 
descender wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 15:07:
This is simply pressure from the auto lobby, and NOTHING else. They want to make in-dash GPS NAV systems MANDATORY in cars, just like they recently did with back-up cameras. All to artificially keep the price of cars inflated.

In-dash options being outclassed by every smartphone on the planet is a big problem for that plan :p

Optional equipment becoming mandatory typically results in massive price drops, so no, they auto industry would probably prefer this remain a $2,000 upgrade. And yes, smartphones do it so fewer people pay for the upgrade for the nav system, but they pay for it for the screen and the (usually shitty) touch controls.
 
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
16. Re: Game of Thrones series 4 finale sets new online piracy record Jun 17, 2014, 16:06 Beamer
 
descender wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 15:03:
Agreed, everyone trying to justify it are just kidding themselves.

The only reason content piracy has blown up in the last decade is because people can do it at home in their underwear, and they don't think anyone can see them doing it. VHS piracy and DVD piracy was never actually stopped, it was simply inconvenient.

It probably should have driven the price of acquiring content down more by now, but they are fighting it desperately. At this point I don't even think they could sue enough people to make the risk of "getting caught" real enough for the average person.

Along with piracy becoming easy, entitlement came. "I deserve to watch this, now!" I don't think that existed in the 80s and 90s. I remember desperately trying to track down various movies back then. Sometimes I pirated because it was the only way I could find something. I don't remember justifying it as "well, they're stupid for making it so hard for me, so they deserve this."

This isn't an argument against pirating the show, do it if you want (I do not, and have essentially stopped pirating anything, as there's no excuse for me to do it), it's an argument against acting like you're giving HBO what they deserve. No, you're stealing from them. Own up to it. Don't pretend you have some moral high ground. If you're ok with that, fine, no worries, HBO doesn't seem to mind.
 
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News Comments > New Deus Ex Details?
15. Re: New Deus Ex Details? Jun 17, 2014, 14:21 Beamer
 
Wildone wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 14:10:
Guess you never played the original, or played PC games before the year 2003

siapnar wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 13:03:
Deus Ex: HR kicked so much ass. Dunno what the hell people are complaining about.

Pumped for a next iteration

How's it feel to live in the past?
 
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News Comments > Morning Tech Bits
3. Re: Morning Tech Bits Jun 17, 2014, 13:21 Beamer
 
Yeah, he seems to be convinced that the product matching the vague specs makes it fine, but ignores that most people do SSD research by reading benchmarks, not specs.  
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News Comments > Morning Legal Briefs
4. Re: Game of Thrones series 4 finale sets new online piracy record Jun 17, 2014, 12:01 Beamer
 
Pigeon wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 11:55:
Which basically says you've got content people want but they can't get legally without a lot of hassle and/or without paying significantly more than they are willing. I'm not condoning piracy, but when you see this much of it there's a problem on the supply side.

I'd like a Ferrari, but I can't get one legally without a lot of hassle or paying significantly more than I'm willing. Is that a supply issue?

Or is it that some things are happy being a luxury and enjoy the prestige that comes with it? HBO has said, repeatedly, that they're ok with the pirating, because if people want the true quality they'll pay for it, and they understand the piracy has led to increased subscribers, not the other way around. Between their business model being tied to cable companies and their status as a prestige brand, they're quite content not disrupting things yet.
 
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News Comments > Sunday Metaverse
28. Re: Sunday Metaverse Jun 16, 2014, 19:52 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 19:42:

Pretty much every single game developer in existence proves this wrong. By your explanation, the only way a dev can ever create something good is to be working on 12 games at a time.

NBC and CBS aren't comparable to a small dev, they're comparable to the publisher, and at any given time the publishers have many irons in the fire. Even then, I'd argue not quite enough, as publishers are too hesitant to cancel a project not turning out well - instead they cut bait, put it in a box, and sell a game they know is terrible and incomplete.
And, as for the devs, how many have we seen of late that have been destroyed by having one project either not do well or get canceled?
 
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News Comments > etc.
10. Re: Daggerfall map Jun 16, 2014, 14:50 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 14:46:
descender wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 00:49:
Game World Map Comparison

Awesome link.

And thanks Harlock, I knew it was big, but forgotten exactly how big. That's ridiculous.

Yeah, but it was randomly generated.

I'll take a small, curated landscape to a huge, randomly generated one in almost all cases. Almost.
 
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News Comments > Sunday Metaverse
26. Re: Sunday Metaverse Jun 16, 2014, 14:48 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 14:38:
Beamer wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 11:14:
Imagine if Netflix launched 20 new shows. And Amazon launched 20 new shows. And NBC and CBS and Fox and ABC and FX and AMC all launched their new shows this way. How many would actually get noticed?

Not very many. So maybe, here's a thought, the TV industry needs to stop cranking out 20 new shows per provider every season, each of which runs for an average of 8 episodes before it gets canceled, and just focus on a few new shows each season, but give it a year to run to see how it's doing, and put more effort and funds into them to make sure they're actually worth watching as opposed to the 1 good show and 19 pieces of shovelware we get now.

Hopefully this idea just gave the CEOs of NBC, ABC, CBS and FOX a heart attack.

And, I'd wager, most people consume television this way.

Yeah, I'm gonna wager you're actually just wrong. Most people have DVRs now, and watch what they want to watch when they want to watch it.


I disagree on the first part. Creative things don't work well with "just stick to a few." You never know what looks great on paper but will totally fail when it's put together. If you concentrate on a few, you lose the law of averages.
What they need to do is not cancel after 8 episodes. Give shows with potential time to breath and grow. It's what they used to do, and it's what they need to do again. Some of the biggest shows of the past, such as Seinfeld, were utter flops their first season.


As for the second part, DVR still isn't the way most shows are viewed. When they add DVR into viewings, it's at most a 30% bump, and that's for heavily DVRd shows. Most people still watch TV live.

I tend to watch most of mine time-shifted, because I prefer watching on my own schedule, but I'm also an atypical viewer - aside from the 10 minutes here and there I'll just put something on, I watch maybe 7 hours a week during a busy part of the season. Right now, I'm watching Fargo, Orphan Black and Game of Thrones. Or, I guess, now just Orphan Black.
 
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News Comments > etc.
8. Re: etc. Jun 16, 2014, 14:34 Beamer
 
descender wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 14:25:
God you are so fucking dense.

It's an accurate reflection of the target market that actually buys the games.

The "market" is simply a reflection of the gaming industry itself. Games designed by white males for white males are purchased by white males. What people actually want is choice. When games are designed for a broader audience, a broader audience BUYS THEM... which is why the white male domination COMPLETELY DISAPPEARS in sales figures outside of "AAA games". The figures show that they could be reaching and selling to a much broader audience if they weren't as misogynistic and close-minded as you are.

"We" are not talking about anything. "We" is just you spewing your uninformed bullshit again. Please ignore me, I'd hate to have to read any more of your completely ignorant responses. All you post is hate and negativity in every thread and then spend another 10 posts defending how completely stupid you are. It's time to step out of the bubble you seem to live in, if only for a few minutes.

It's the standard defense of a moron, though. "What, you want Batman to be a black midget?"

No. No one has even come close to asking for that, but Cutter keeps pretending they do.
 
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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
7. Re: Morning Consolidation Jun 16, 2014, 12:56 Beamer
 
Verno wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 12:53:
HorrorScope wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 12:34:
MS failure is now complete. They admit cloud = dedicated server. No magic, marketing spin. I do give them credit, that last time my CTO spoke he's still living by the "magic of the cloud" when speaking publicly. The all powerful Oz! Ohh!

It was a big marketing fail for sure, they're just shifting to a different term now in hopes of gaining traction with it. They likely won't have any more success with it though, people care about having the more powerful system, that's a simple concept they can understand. They don't care about cloud server magic that they don't grasp and doesn't have much impact anyway.

Agreed. All they did was change the name, because they know "The Cloud!" has become a joke, so the gave it something more tangible that the target audience understands.

But no one yet understands how it helps us. Storing AI driver information, great. Making destructible environments better in limited circumstances, fantastic. What else?

The bad thing isn't the consumers not understanding it, consumers often don't understand things very well prior to gaining the benefits, the bad thing is the devs not understanding it, and possibly Microsoft itself. If you don't understand how something will improve your product, you won't utilize it. And, if no one understands something, it probably doesn't really exist.
 
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