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News Comments > Out of the Blue
10. Re: Out of the Blue Aug 30, 2014, 21:41 Beamer
 
PAX is terrible.

But I played Fortnite for two hours. Fortnite is kind of awesome. Very, very fun. Very.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
181. Re: Op Ed Aug 30, 2014, 12:51 Beamer
 
Redmask wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 09:37:
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 06:34:
Hypocrisy doesn't ring a bell for you does it.

No it doesn't, I would bet serious money hes a failed lawyer or sales man.

I haven't been personal at you at all. I've actually been nice to you. I have no idea where this is coming from here.

But seriously, you think I'm a salesman. That's hysterical. Have you read a single post I've made, ever? But if you want to "bet serious money," put a thousand up and I'll prove you wrong.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
167. Re: Op Ed Aug 30, 2014, 04:58 Beamer
 
Dmitri_M wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 04:35:
There are larger more important causes out there, but they're harder to get press on.


This isn't a good argument, though. Of course there are larger and bigger issues out there. Look at all the people making anti-Anita videos, though. Why are they making those when there are larger, bigger issues out there?

Because, even though children are starving in China, this is an issue that gets them passionate.


I really do hate the "why aren't you paying attention to the larger, bigger issues, like the melting ice caps?" argument. Why is anyone posting on BluesNews when the polar bears are threatened?
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
164. Re: Op Ed Aug 30, 2014, 04:12 Beamer
 
Beamer wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 03:07:
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 01:06:
Jerykk wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 00:53:
Gamasutra is simply a site that posts news and editorials from people in the games industry. It does not have a regular staff of writers pumping out drivel like Kotaku does. Every editorial is written by a guest writer.
That might be true, providing that the author Leigh Alexander wasn't the managing editor, or writer or whatever. And also has no clue about gaming culture, as witnessed by her previous social media commentary.

Anyway, rather suspicious isn't it? It smells just like that bit where all those writers were colluding and writing similar articles with similar view points. Wish I remember what the mail list is called, oh well. So today, we've got no less than 7 sites all writing the same crap as gamasutra. Something smells rotten.

Tossing this in as well which is apparently from a journalist that wishes to remain anonymous. I'll rank it as possibly true, especially considering the collusion going on right now with all of the same stories.


Oh my god that reddit forum. It's everything some here claim doesn't exist.

Adding on to this, here are some choice quotes from the Reddit link that Mashiki Amiketo kindly linked us to, and where he and possibly ASeven get their information:

"So this is a thing," which is a discussion about a PAX Prime panel about what the industry is like for people that aren't straight, white, cisgendered males.
Here are some choice comments:

"Even though straight white cisgendered men are not a majority, "

They are among the US game buying public, you fucking bitch.


You know what fuck Penny Arcade at this point.


In other conversations:
Then again, nothing that a feminist says ever does (make sense).



This is better than "SJWs?"
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
163. Re: Op Ed Aug 30, 2014, 04:05 Beamer
 
Sepharo wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 04:01:
jdreyer wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 03:50:
JohnnyRotten wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 20:45:
He's not a lawyer. He's claimed to be about a dozen things to position himself as the subject matter expert de facto on everything until I called him out on it years ago on the old forum. Then he just stuck with his last lie.

That's all you need to know about his credibility on any subject.

Links, or you're just blowing gas your your ass.

Hah yeah, "old forum" like the one from 15 years ago? I don't think Beamer's been around that long.

I've been here since the late 90s, just didn't register this name until the day IGN bought VE3D. Ha, looking, this username beats your current one by a few months. Insanity. We're coming up on 12 years.

In any case, I'm fairly certain that guy can click my name, search "law school" in the upper right hand corner, and see my posting from application through graduation. Some nice, choice douchebag posts from a decade ago. There's no bigger douchebag than a current law student.
Nothing about my past is relevant here, though.

This comment was edited on Aug 30, 2014, 04:15.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
159. Re: Op Ed Aug 30, 2014, 03:07 Beamer
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 01:06:
Jerykk wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 00:53:
Gamasutra is simply a site that posts news and editorials from people in the games industry. It does not have a regular staff of writers pumping out drivel like Kotaku does. Every editorial is written by a guest writer.
That might be true, providing that the author Leigh Alexander wasn't the managing editor, or writer or whatever. And also has no clue about gaming culture, as witnessed by her previous social media commentary.

Anyway, rather suspicious isn't it? It smells just like that bit where all those writers were colluding and writing similar articles with similar view points. Wish I remember what the mail list is called, oh well. So today, we've got no less than 7 sites all writing the same crap as gamasutra. Something smells rotten.

Tossing this in as well which is apparently from a journalist that wishes to remain anonymous. I'll rank it as possibly true, especially considering the collusion going on right now with all of the same stories.


Oh my god that reddit forum. It's everything some here claim doesn't exist.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
148. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 23:37 Beamer
 
nin wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 22:03:
Jensen wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 21:40:
nin wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 10:14:
She's a lot like Jack Thompson. You could almost say she's started down the same path, as an alarmist desperately begging for your attention (and money!).

She is nothing like Jack Thompson.
Thompson tried to sue game makers over school shootings. He tried to sue retailers for carrying violent games. He filed a suit against Sony for allowing certain games on their systems.
I have never heard Sarkeesian advocate censorship or legal involvement. I've never heard her blame a school shooting or any other violence on video games.

They're both looking for easy, quick promotion for themselves.


JT was a true believer. He rode it to the end of his career.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
140. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 21:39 Beamer
 
Sho wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 20:12:
Icewind wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 20:01:
We're wired differently and most women aren't interested in being coders.

However:

* Nor are most men, when it comes down to it. We coders are a fraction of society in general.

* I've never seen any conclusive data proving there really are inherently less women interested in being coders than men (cf. Prez for pointing out a few things). And I've looked at quite a bit of it (I'm not a domain expert by any means, but I'm professionally implicated as a software developer with institutional responsibilities in some organizations which have female outreach programs).

* Even if it were true, that doesn't mean there aren't or can't be problems with the quality of the workspace experience for the women who do want to code. What percentage of the workforce they constitute doesn't matter. You want to treat individuals well.

* It also doesn't mean the percentage of female developers in the workforce right now is the same as the number of women who'd like to be.

* Some of those individuals equipped with ovaries make damn great engineers. Others are useful. Others aren't. It's really about the same with dudes.

* The specifics of how we are wired differently matter, and are still poorly understood. Here is a recent pop-sci article (don't take as gospel, use as launching point).

* Broader: Coders are also a fraction of game dev. There's a lot of occupations in game dev.

When it comes down to it, not being sexist isn't actually all that hard. It means recognizing that a person's gender doesn't really tell you all that much about them, because on any aspect of life men and women fall into spectra, and while the genders might clump on those spectra here and there, there's also a lot of overlap, and plenty of outliers. In the end you need to look at the individual, and that has implications for how you want to organize, well, your organizations, companies, and societies. And there's definitely still work to do there just on removing certain assumptions in existing systems. For the benefit of both women and men, actually.

There's a nice publication from a University of Texas CS Professor citing the following reasons as very important ones as to why there are so few female programmers:
- Undergraduate classroom teaching in which the “weedout” practices and policies privileging competition over cooperation tend to advantage men.
- Laboratory climates in which women are seen as foreign and not belonging at best, and experience blatant hostility and sexism at worst.
- Well-meaning people who unwittingly create stereotype threat by reminding students that "women can do computing as well as men".
- Strong resistance to changing the system in which these and other subtle practices are continuously reproduced.

Dev rooms tend to have a certain culture, similar to the one here, that women don't last long in. Again, look around us, do you see a single female voice? You certainly see strong resistance to changing the system.
At this point we have endless studies showing women outscore men in the STEM areas by a fairly overwhelming majority.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
139. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 21:34 Beamer
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 21:30:
Hypocrisyof course abounds among the swj class.

Can you people please start giving context to these images you post.

And, regardless, show me one cause that doesn't have idiots in it. One. Any one.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
138. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 21:33 Beamer
 
JohnnyRotten wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 20:45:
ASeven wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:12:
Beamer wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:03:
Fair enough.
But, again, unlike you, I don't spend every waking hour compiling an obsessive, massive list of these things.

Seriously, you just pulled those up in about 5 minutes.
Does this not seem unhealthy to you? How angry you are?

At this point your agenda is pretty obvious and I don't think I owe you any explanation, it doesn't make any difference. You stick to your own circular logic and refuse to move out of it. Just FYI, this info is easily found using google in a minute.

Also, love your passive-aggressive ad-hominem there. Weren't you taught to avoid that in any discussion in law school?

He's not a lawyer. He's claimed to be about a dozen things to position himself as the subject matter expert de facto on everything until I called him out on it years ago on the old forum. Then he just stuck with his last lie.

That's all you need to know about his credibility on any subject.

This is a fun road to go down again. You are right, I am not currently a lawyer. There's a nice "retired" next to my name on the ABA website. Or wherever the hell those things are kept. I've never lied here about my occupation nor my schooling. Schooling, in particular, isn't necessarily useful for credibility, what with degrees being damn near given away. Feel free to go through my history and confirm the timeline works out, but let's not do it in this thread.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
126. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 19:25 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:47:
Agent.X7 wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 15:24:
Lead by example. If you think games are sexist, makes games you think are not sexist. Put up or shut up.


"If you don't like X, go make your own X" is not a valid response to criticism. Such an argument can be used to invalidate ALL criticism for all topics. Critics do not need to be able to go produce an alternative in order to be legitimate critics. You need to engage with critics on their arguments and provide alternatives, not summarily dismiss them.

Roger Ebert was one of the best movie critics of all time. He was not a particularly gifted filmmaker.

Regardless, as has been shown very often, it's difficult for a woman to get into making games, and difficult for them to stay. This tends to be a factor in why so few women do it. Getting the experience and funding to make your own game is difficult without a track record of making your own game.
 
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News Comments > Saints Row: Gat Out of Hell Announced
13. Re: Saints Row: Gat Out of Hell Announced Aug 29, 2014, 19:23 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 19:02:
I still like SR3 the best. Zany wackiness with just enough grounding in reality.

Absolutely agree. Well, mostly. Deciding to kill Gat was idiotic and short sighted. Gat was a huge part of what made the games fun. Thankfully far from the only part.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
122. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 18:47 Beamer
 
Sho wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:39:
Julio wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:27:
Beamer wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:22:
No. Jesus man, no they do not want to tell you what gaming content you can play. They're trying to get gaming content to not fit the same patterns over and over and over.

So she's ok with gaming content about hookers, in-game killing of both women and men etc? That seems a little different than what other posters have said and I've seen attributed to her. Now of course that's not necessarily what game content I want to play, but I want the freedom to play that if I wanted to.

No, I think Beamer might actually be a bit off the mark there (but this is exactly the type of discussion I'd like to see).

As I understand Sarkeesian, her primary point in conclusion to these things is that games are a mass medium now, and that the types of stories we chose to tell in games have consequences for real-life society to some degree. For example, she's saying that if violence against women in games is portrayed as incidental or an unchangable given (and her examples aren't about shitting on specific games, they're about explaining why certain gameplay elements amount out to such things mechanically), it might make real-world society more willing to accept it as a fact of life, or trivialize the degree to which it actually happens out there. The fact that you do end up seeing exactly this used as an argument against her ("but it really is that way, so what's the big deal?") ironically proves her point to some degree. But of course it's an incredibly complex issue and she makes a lot of assumptions that deserve testing.

Anyway, so she's saying that games should be more responsible and make sure if they e.g. portray violence against hookers, that depiction is in some way actually related to what the game is about, or that those hookers are more fully realized as characters than a 10-line game script that implements one specific trivial interaction and nothing more.

So I'm not sure Sarkeesian would actually be satisfied with "just more variety". So that's where independent thinking can follow. Personally, if I understand her right, I don't agree with the extent to which she goes, but I agree that "more variety" would be a positive development and make games more interesting.

I think that's exactly what I said. She doesn't want to get rid of all hookers in games, but she wants people to think about whether they belong in the game or are there for the sake of being there, and whether they (or at least some women) are characters rather than targets.

It isn't about taking away anyone's toys, it's about being more responsible about how we use them.

In any case, I think Julio is a big free market guy. This is just an example of the market doing some deciding. He complains about freedom, but freedom doesn't come into this. She isn't trying to get anyone banned, jailed, or prevented from making games. She's trying to get them to think about what they're doing as a bigger picture.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
118. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 18:36 Beamer
 
Julio wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:32:
Beamer wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:30:
And she doesn't have a problem with hookers in games, she has a problem with the vast majority of games having hookers.

Do you see how you're deliberately ignoring the nuance of the argument? It's like someone saying they don't like Reese's Peanut Butter cups and you being angry that they're trying to take peanut butter from you.

But I like both my Reese's Peanut Butter cups and my peanut butter. She can't have either. I'd like the freedom for all games to have optional hookers.

Oh jesus, you're making this about freedom?
No one is saying that people that put hookers in games should go to jail. She isn't even saying games shouldn't have hookers. She's saying that they shouldn't have hookers just for the sake of having hookers. If it adds nothing to the game, it shouldn't be there. And hookers probably shouldn't be the only women in the game.

But, if the game has hookers and the hookers make sense and there are actual female characters, hooker or otherwise, then carry on.


I don't think you understand the difference between changing a trend and stopping something altogether. I don't think this is as black and white to Anita as it is to you. And if you stopped seeing it that way maybe you'd be less angry.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
117. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 18:34 Beamer
 
saluk wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:29:
There has been some crazy stuff going on in gaming for a while now. But This Anita person is so harmless. I don't understand all the hate being directed at her. Her points so often don't connect or have missing gaps, and when they do connect the intent or the desired result is still really fuzzy. I think part of it is this issue has been trumped up so many times that a lot of people are sick of hearing about it. I certainly am. But I don't think most gamers - even the awful jerkfaces who spew hate at people like Anita - would even care if a lot of the misogyny that bothers her and her cohorts were to be improved. Not that I'm sure they would notice.

I think this is the point. What are people defending?
Would anyone even notice if Hitman had a few cut scenes where a female said something? Would anyone notice if Grand Theft Auto V had a female character you weren't supposed to hate? Women would, but how about the men?

Yes, people are tired of hearing about this. But, for the women, it's even worse to see it in every single game. And, frankly, these kinds of things get noticed. Epic was criticized for how it treated women in Gears of War. How did it handle it? It made one of the primary POV characters in the book a 60 year old woman and, by the time Gears of War 3 came out, it had women as involved in the fighting as the men were. It took women from the sidelines and put them in the action. And it benefited from it. That's a change that came very much from people saying "Hey, Epic, you kind of screwed this up" and them, rather than saying "go to hell, stop emasculating me and trying to get me to stop making games" instead said "hey, you're right, we never even thought about that. We can do better, and we will."
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
115. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 18:30 Beamer
 
Julio wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:27:
Beamer wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:22:
No. Jesus man, no they do not want to tell you what gaming content you can play. They're trying to get gaming content to not fit the same patterns over and over and over.

So she's ok with gaming content about hookers, in-game killing of both women and men etc? That seems a little different than what other posters have said and I've seen attributed to her. Now of course that's not necessarily what game content I want to play, but I want the freedom to play that if I wanted to.

She has never had a problem with in-game killing. She has a problem when the sole thing women do in a game is exist as a target (or anti-target, in the Hitman case.)
And she doesn't have a problem with hookers in games, she has a problem with the vast majority of games having hookers.

Do you see how you're deliberately ignoring the nuance of the argument? It's like someone saying they don't like Reese's Peanut Butter cups and you being angry that they're trying to take peanut butter from you.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
112. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 18:26 Beamer
 
Sho wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:19:
Julio wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:18:

I don't know - are you an SJW? If you're for Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian I would say you are.

TBH, I didn't follow the Zoe Quinn thing. I tried to read one summary at some point and went "nope nope nope life's too short" about three paragraphs in. So I have no opinion on that whatsoever. It didn't seem like anything I need to care about.

I think Sarkeesian's videos are interesting.

Likewise.
I'm sure that the counterargument is that we didn't follow Zoe Quinn because it would shatter our world view, but I didn't follow her for a few reasons:

1) I had never heard of her prior
2) He "sin" seemed to be sleeping with 5 dudes while dating another dude, and that seems personal, not public
3) No one ever pointed out clear examples of this leading to actual gaming press. She got a few mentions, but plenty of other friends did without sleeping, and those mentions seemed trivial
4) She got doxxed, and while I'm open to the idea she did it herself for attention (she seems like she's pretty self destructive), the "proof" didn't seem to prove anything. "It's a number in Hawaii" doesn't tell me why it's something she did to herself
5) She made a game about clinical depression. She did some really self-destructive stuff that seems fairly common for people clinically depressed. This didn't seem like a scandal, it seemed like someone clinically depressed sabotaging themselves
6) There's absolutely an element of slut-shaming going on, at the very least coming from the boyfriend, if not from the people so happy to see this happen to her

She'd done some stuff for feminism in gaming prior. I don't know what it was. I don't care. Having never heard her name, it wasn't anything particularly important to me. And it sounds like she was being scummy about it. I've yet to see any viewpoint that doesn't have scummy people involved in it.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
111. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 18:22 Beamer
 
Julio wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:15:
Beamer wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:10:
This is the entire problem with your worldview. Not everyone wants to bring you down. Most don't even care you exist.

Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian and the SJWs want to tell me what gaming content I can play and what offends their morals. They're also bullying those who believe otherwise; screwing their way to publicity; and accusing male gamers of misogyny.

So they're interested in 'bringing me down' since I'm a male gamer. I wouldn't care if they existed if they stopped screwing with my hobby.

No. Jesus man, no they do not want to tell you what gaming content you can play. They're trying to get gaming content to not fit the same patterns over and over and over. They aren't trying to end those patterns entirely, they're trying to make fewer games fall into them.

Never once has Anita said "I'd be happy if there was never another Mario Brothers, because I'm sick of saving the princess." She's said "It would be nice of future games weren't so lazy and found a different motivation for the protagonist than having to save the princess for the billionth time, and Mario already does that more notably than any future IP can."

Stop acting like pointing out where things today are unnecessarily lazy and stupid is an attempt to take away your toys and/or genitals.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
108. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 18:19 Beamer
 
Sho wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:17:
FWIW: I heavily disagree with ASeven's opinions, but trying to discredit his position with a mix of "your level of effort is suspicious" and "I'm above the conversation" is exactly the type of behavior I don't like in many of Sarkeesian's critics, too.

No, like I just said, I attack him personally because he's just a weirdo in all this.
Prez, Jerykk, nin, Creston, etc., I may not agree with or in some cases like, but I'll respond to them because they put thoughts down. Whether I think those thoughts are being willfully ignorant to defend their world views (and please, people named, don't take this personally, as it applies to the "etc."), ASeven I think just tends to really hate anything that may make him change.
 
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106. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 18:17 Beamer
 
ASeven wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:12:
Beamer wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:03:
Fair enough.
But, again, unlike you, I don't spend every waking hour compiling an obsessive, massive list of these things.

Seriously, you just pulled those up in about 5 minutes.
Does this not seem unhealthy to you? How angry you are?

At this point your agenda is pretty obvious and I don't think I owe you any explanation, it doesn't make any difference. You stick to your own circular logic and refuse to move out of it. Just FYI, this info is easily found using google in a minute.

Also, love your passive-aggressive ad-hominem there. Weren't you taught to avoid that in any discussion in law school?

It's fair to complain that I attack you, but you are so weird in all this. You have constantly posted links to .gifs and articles with no context. They're constantly at your fingers. You haven't really made any arguments yourself, and your images rarely make their own arguments. So many of them are "proof" that someone lied, but proof is something like an admission. What you keep posting is something like "The screenshot was taken 12 seconds after a post was made, therefore it's fake" or "Anita asked for donations 24 hours prior, therefore it's fake." None of that proves anything, yet you keep calling it proof.

I just don't get how your mind works and how you don't see that this sheer glee you're showing can't be seen as you viewing this as victory for men, rather than victory for what's fair.
 
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