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69. Re: etc. Oct 3, 2014, 01:25 Beamer
 
MacLeod wrote on Oct 3, 2014, 01:21:
Jensen wrote on Oct 3, 2014, 00:33:
The very first video on her youtube channel is a quite negative critique of Dollhouse. I would hope that Whedon would have tweeted what he did even if he had seen that video.

It seems like a lot of people are making a leap from "Sarkeesian points out tropes" to "Sarkeesian says that all the developers and players of these games are misogynists"

To be fair... when you're series is "Tropes vs. Women"... that is kind of what you're saying.

If you read my whole post, you'll see my issue with Whedon's tweets aren't that he's supporting the idea of there being an issue in gaming. That's something I agree with. My issue is the comments that basically enforce the idea that anyone who doesn't agree with 100% of Sarkeesian's view is a misogynistic pig with their eyes shut, as opposed to people like me who question the delivery and way her videos are formatted.

And if her negative critique of Dollhouse is an "Against women" one, that's just furthering my point about not taking in the whole context of a work before hammering your point about one thing. But as I haven't seen the Dollhouse video, I don't want to comment too deeply based on assumptions from her other videos.

She definitely does not think that all developers and players of games are misogynist, but she thinks games at large are.

I do not think all people that chefs are good cooks, but I think chefs are good cooks.
I do not think all people that like NASCAR are hicks, but I think NASCAR is for hicks.
I do not think that everyone at Google is smart, but I think Google is full of smart people.
 
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68. Re: etc. Oct 3, 2014, 01:22 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 22:49:
Julio wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 19:37:
Happy to see Intel do the right thing here. I know I'll have an Intel processor as a result.

Hopefully that's not your criteria for selecting a processor!

It certainly isn't mine.
But I also think the only good fast food is Chik-Fil-A, so I'm really ok with corporations having different opinions than myself unless I think there's some serious ill will there.
 
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62. Re: etc. Oct 2, 2014, 20:33 Beamer
 
Still, getting back to it, for the people claiming this is solely about ethics, please show me ethical violations from Gamasutra.

I've repeatedly asked for this, and incidentally, few people claiming it was about ethics have posted back in here.
If this is about ethics, and Gamasutra did nothing unethical, why are people so happy that this happened? Wouldn't Gamasutra be an innocent bystander?

Or, would you just finally admit there's more at play here than ethics?
 
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61. Re: etc. Oct 2, 2014, 20:24 Beamer
 
Flatline wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 20:02:
Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 16:32:
Gaming journalism is an attempt to sell you products. Nothing more.

You have to admit that game journalists pretty much stuck their dick into the pudding when all those "Gaming culture is dead" articles came out in this weirdly synchronized manner.

That was like throwing gasoline onto a fire and then pumping pure oxygen into it. The 1-2 punch of telling your customers to go fuck themselves they're morally reprehensible and then doing it in a synchronized way while claiming that there is no collusion was epic amounts of stupid regardless of what the truth really is.

They didn't see it as telling their consumers to go fuck themselves, they saw it as telling dickheads they don't want reading their shit to go fuck themselves and thought people would understand and rally with them.

Instead, a lot of feathers got ruffled and people stopped reading at "gamer," proudly considering themselves gamers and not making the leap to realize the author meant the outside stereotype of "gamer," which we've all cringed at, all been annoyed at, and I'm willing to wager most people here have met someone and downplayed how much gaming they do because of that stereotype.

I think there's 3 people to blame:
1) The reader. Yeah, the reader. I think people jumped off the handle at initial shock-value hypotheses and never bothered thinking about what they were reading after that
2) The authors. These people write for a living. Having their message that poorly understood is shocking. In fairness to them, I'd wager many people furious didn't even read the articles and either Cutter'd it and just read the headline and got angry, or just read a recap thread somewhere
3) Leigh Alexander, who takes pride in being very pointed and definitely threw gasoline on a fire

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8. Re: Divinity: Original Sin Mini-Delay Oct 2, 2014, 20:19 Beamer
 
ChandlerL wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 20:07:
What was the long story short on this.. Just checked out the trailer-- at least got me interested but clearly something(s) about the proposition concerned backers. What were those concerns?

I asked this a few weeks ago. Basically, it came down to the stretch goals being "add weapons to your ship" and "be able to shoot your weapons." One is useless without the other, and a space combat game is useless without both, so why were they stretch goals?

There were other reasons, but those seem to be the biggest.
 
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56. Re: etc. Oct 2, 2014, 18:28 Beamer
 
bobbyweenus wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 17:03:
@Beamer: The issue was that the editorial wasn't about misognyny, it was about GAMERS.


See, now that was a hard to read wall of text. You abuse the double returns more than even I do, and I've been called on it before, haha.

But no, if you go back and reread what she said, she didn't say "gamers are bad and all gamers are evil." She said "there's a stereotype of what the gamer is, and that stereotype is a nerdy, sheltered, socially awkward white male that hates anyone not like him. We've all interacted with this stereotype. We've also all interacted with someone that hears 'gamer' and immediately assumes this stereotype. Hell, marketing in the industry caters to this stereotype. It's time to shed that stereotype of 'gamer' and realize that almost everyone games and most gamers are not the stereotypical 'gamer.'"

Leigh was angry and incendiary, but if you reread it without the emotional investment she put into it and most people reading it also put into it, she makes a decent enough point there.

A lot of people here, repeatedly, have been annoyed whenever some idiot on Fox News or CNN, or Milo on Breitbart, acts like all gamers are sheltered people that soil themselves. Leigh was just saying we need to move far from that and stop acting like that's what gamers are inside gaming communities.
Apparently people don't like that.
 
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50. Re: etc. Oct 2, 2014, 16:49 Beamer
 
MacLeod wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 16:46:
Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 16:07:
Given the things being said and tweeted, many people deserve to be condescended to. If you start talking about how everyone is an SJW White Knight Corrupt Asshole, you're going to be condescended to.

As opposed to anyone with a viewpoint other than completely pro Sarkeesian or who questions Quinn being labelled as misogynistic pigs? By your own logic, the other side deserves just as much condescending.

I've been pro feminism for a long time. I believe there are issues in gaming. Hell, I actually complain about female armor more than my wife sometimes. (I'm using that as a simple example without going into detail of my views).

The harassment of Anita and Quinn, by all means is not right. And that should be condemned. But at the same time, there are things about the situations that I look at questioningly.

In Quinn's case, while I think it's terrible that an ex put all that stuff out there (since there's a lot of personal stuff in it), I think there can be valid questions asked about journalistic integrity and questionable practices based on what was public. Turning a blind eye to it after the information release is kind of silly.

In Sarkeesian's case, I agree with her on a lot of the tropes in video games... but I think her presentation is one-sided and flawed. By pointing out these scenes in games that aren't exclusively doing said acts to female characters, but male characters as well (Hitman for example... everyone else is basically an object... that's being an NPC), your impact lessens and comes off as less factual. You also tend to alienate gamers who might be in the middle, who if you showed better examples to, might actually side with you. Because it's not feeling like you want equality of characters in game, but you want anything negative happening to women removed completely, which would be bad in the long wrong. It's kind of like Michael Moore... while there are aspects that I agree with in his arguments, his presentation and bias and manipulation of the facts leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

In the Gamasutra case, I read the article and it was written pretty derogatory towards gamers in general... there's some comments that harken back to the '80s view of gamers even. It was clearly put on a public forum to incite talking about it. People have letter writing campaigns for everything... TV, movies, etc. So the fact that a group did it for this doesn't exactly surprise me. I don't agree with it, I'd say it would be much better to actually counter it with another article... but that leads to my initial point.

Everyone who comes out not 100% for Sarkaasian, Quinn or Gamasutra are being labelled as bad people. When some of us just have questions, or find bad elements of both situations. But we can't talk about it. Ragnar Tornquist (creator of the Longest Journey and Dreamfall) is a favorite developer of my wife and I. Mainly because of his great stories and strong characters (male and female). But the guys twitter feed lately has just been retweeting every negative comment against people who are (for lack of a quicker term) pro-gamergate. Joss Whedon even tweeting some comments on the Sarkeesian thing... when if his own shows were looked at under her lens, they'd all be full of the same tropes. Dollhouse being one, but you'd even not be hard pressed to find ones in Buffy.

And that too me is as big of a problem. People on either side of the discussion just shutting out and dismissing any valid criticism with name-calling, insults and shaming.

Yes, it's a TL;DR wall of text. it's what you get for me not speaking on this issue through the whole thing until now.

Wall of text is fine. I appreciate people putting thought into the entire topic.

But of course Sarkeesian is one-sided. That's her point - there are repeated tropes against women. Showing 20 games that have those tropes then 20 games that do not have those tropes would defeat the whole point of her argument - that these tropes are common. She doesn't say they're in every game, she says they're common.

When you make an argument, do you stop and point out all the exceptions to the argument? Of course not. If you want to point out how there are too many NHL teams with black uniforms, you don't spend half your time discussing the uniforms of teams without black uniforms, you spend your time talking about how dumb the Flyers look.
 
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49. Re: etc. Oct 2, 2014, 16:46 Beamer
 
1badmf wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 16:41:
you're moving the goal posts bro. whatever else may be true, it's almost certanily true that these douchebags in the gaming media are bad actors in their own right and are justifiably being crucified.

i don't understand your defense of them either - even to non-invested viewers like myself it's apparent these are just sociopaths masquerading as activists to make money and gain position for themselves.

Please tell me which goalposts I've moved.
Which is part of the problem with this argument, eh? Everyone has different ones, so responding to one of you is difficult because another one of you thinks that it means something entirely different.

I'm not particularly defending them. I'm saying that people are:
1) Having completely unrealistic views of what these people can possibly do
2) Having asinine views of the educational training they should have
3) Blaming the wrong people for an issue
4) Using this issue to ignore other, deeper issues

The games media is about as happy about how they get access to information as anyone here is. But they have absolutely no choice in the matter. If they decide not to go through publisher PR events, then they won't get their hands on a game until the consumer does. Which means, at best, their review hits a week after a game launch. Do you know how few people read reviews that late? Beyond that, they'd have no access to previews, no access to interviews, etc. Because all of that comes through PR.
 
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47. Re: etc. Oct 2, 2014, 16:43 Beamer
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 13:40:
Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 13:25:

Dude, have you followed #gamergate at all? The misogyny is positively out of control.
And do you understand what an opinion is?

Lastly, here's a nice letter to Intel from the lead developer of Skyrim. Notice how he points out that people like you aren't the audience for Gamasutra, anyway.
Dude have you followed #gamergate at all? That misogyny that you keep going on about coming from shell accounts, bots, and especially sjw's who run around calling people shitlords, man babies, attacking women and minorities(thus the creation of #notyourshield). Perhaps you don't understand this.

Here's a nice response from Intel's CIO to the SJW crowd. You know, because the first thing that the sjw's did was rush-out, attack her, and claim that she was a "token women who was just hired on." You know this is the side that you're claiming is "good, kind, full of puppies and kittens." And wouldn't hurt a fly, funny how the bigotry comes flying out though.

Also, you realize that Intel CIO interview is manufactured, eh? Totally fabricated. Not at all based in reality. Or do you think some random, unknown site got an exclusive, not-through-PR interview with an Intel top executive, and that Intel PR officials just randomly decided to disown it in the comments section?
 
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51. Re: Ships Ahoy - Watch Dogs; First Reviews Oct 2, 2014, 16:39 Beamer
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 16:36:
Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 15:40:
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 15:06:
Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 12:21:

I didn't say "anytime soon."

But the longer it goes, the more you need to consider other ways they could have spent that $2 billion (which, honestly, is less of a concern with Facebook, which has plenty of billions to spend) as well as the time value of money.

With each passing year, that number goes up. And up. And up.

Do you guys really think that Facebook will end up breaking even on this one. How many pairs need to be sold (25 million, if they make $100 profit per pair, which seems high) or how many apps/in-app purchases need to be sold?


No I don't think they will break even, but that is not how I define the success of VR To me Facebook is just a necessary evil in this. Without big corporations pushing VR ahead it would always remain a tiny market.

Maybe they will take licensing fees for the OR SDK and platform integration? After all Facebook doesn't just get (awesome) VR goggles out of this, but an entire VR entertainment platform complete with API and SDK. The goggles are just a tool....

In todays economic world, money has very little "time value" You actually lose money if you don't spend it, currently at least.

Time value is still extremely important.
It's more opportunity cost that is less important, because Facebook has enough cash that spending $2.5 billion on this isn't likely to prevent them from spending it on another project.

But that's assuming there are other projects Facebook is eyeing If they only had this 1 project to really invest in, then it makes sense for them to not expect a return of that in short or mid term.

Kinda scary Facebook has that much cash to just "throw around" though.

Kind of scary how many American companies have that cash to throw around.
Hire more employees? Pay employees better?
Nah, hoard money and pay bigger dividends!
 
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45. Re: etc. Oct 2, 2014, 16:32 Beamer
 
Drayth wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 16:24:
Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 16:05:
And for the love of God, the Hitman example is beaten to death. She has, what, 4 different Tropes videos with dozens of games mentioned? Find another one to trumpet if every video is full of countless flaws. Hitman is the only one ever mentioned.

Jesus, Beamer.. my post wasn't even directed at you. Taking this whole topic kind of personal.

If you follow this stuff even casually you can find out how much of a fraud this whole thing is. It was uncovered that there's a gmail group all the reporters from the various review sites use to coordinate with each other, along with a leaked email.

And as for Anita just a little research and you'll learn her past showed no evidence of feminist view points till she graduated with a degree in communications, then took some online classes on how to make money through video creation on the internet (with videos of her promoting the course). And now bam, she's making money using an easy hot button topic, disables discussion in all her youtube videos, and reposts all the flame warm posts that anyone would get on the internet from stirring up so much shit as personal threats.

She's manipulating this whole thing for her personal gain. That's what's ticking off people so massively. The fact that she may influence game culture when she's not even honestly invested in any of this.

She's manipulating it for her personal gain. So are Milo and Adam Baldwin.
Does manipulating things for your personal gain moot your points?

And I'm taking it personally because it's painful to see a normally mature board often devolve into weird accusations. For everyone like Prez, who seems to genuinely only care about ethics, there's a MA or an ASeven or a Julio who say it's only about ethics but then start throwing out stuff about women not connected to journalism and then get all gleeful over this Gamasutra thing despite, repeatedly, being unable to point to a single ethical violation from Gamasutra.

Yes, the gmail group wasn't great, and William Usher likely damaged any chance of ever going places in this industry by leaking it. But, at the same time, there's a lot of "so what?" going on. Did they collaborate on reviews? No. Did they agree to give certain games certain coverage? No. It was a place where peers chatted about issues pressing to them. Have you ever been to a professional conference? It was comparable to that.

Some people here repeatedly have these weird visions of the gaming media being like the Washington Post circa Watergate. They claim that you can only be a journalist with a journalism degree, which is fascinating because neither of the two men that cracked Watergate had a journalism degree (one didn't have any degree!)

Gaming journalism is an attempt to sell you products. Nothing more. It's actually pretty regularly objective, considering. It isn't Watergate, it isn't Benghazi, it isn't The Gaza Strip. It's Teen Beat and Spin and Rolling Stone and Fangoria. There's extremely little investigative reporting to be done because everything is tightly behind the walls of PR and, frankly, because there's really few stories other than what comes out when and what features it will have. Occasionally you get an ACM, which you can dig into, but for hit games, like Skyrim, what can you dive into? There's no scandal to be found. And, even if there is, no one will talk about it because they want to stay in the industry and airing dirty laundry is a way to end up outside of it.
Yes, there are issues. Doritogate. The Black Ops review package including helicopter rides. But this all started with AAA stuff. Zoe Quinn is still repeatedly mentioned, and not only is she nowhere near AAA but no one accused of hooking up with her reviewed her game.

The issue should be aimed at publishers, who won't let the media near their games except under carefully controlled situations, rather than at the media, who has no choice but to obey these situations if they want access to their own stories.
 
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42. Re: etc. Oct 2, 2014, 16:07 Beamer
 
bobbyweenus wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 15:08:
@Beamer: If Gamasutra is a niche website exclusively for industry professionals why are major brands like Intel running ad campaigns on them?

Regarding people denying issues with game journalism, you should check the Twitter accounts of the journalists and developer cliques that people are speaking out about in the first place.

They circled the wagons and immediately started openly and vulgarly mocking accusations of ethical issues or corruption. A number of them have made dozens, if not hundreds of volatile, insulting, condescending tweets for the sole purpose of goading people into reacting to them.

Given the things being said and tweeted, many people deserve to be condescended to. If you start talking about how everyone is an SJW White Knight Corrupt Asshole, you're going to be condescended to. Just because you occasionally go to a website doesn't mean it needs to bend over backwards to appease you as a special little flower.

And Gamasutra is indeed a niche site exclusively for professionals. Look at most of their ads - they're for tools like Maya and 3DS. The site started as Game Developer. Its audience is game devs.

And, still, not a single one of you has pointed out the ethical violations you feel they committed that made them a target. All you have is an editorial you do not agree with. An editorial about misogyny. But, fuck, this isn't about misogyny!
 
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41. Re: etc. Oct 2, 2014, 16:05 Beamer
 
Drayth wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 15:17:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 15:04:
Was it ever discovered who sent those tweets to Anita Sarkeesian? The ones that forced her from her home?

From what I've read it was her own doing. Which falls in line with all the other antics she's been pulling. For example, showing gameplay from Hitman of someone killing two strippers in a changing room and dragging the bodies around and trying to imply that this is what you're supposed to do in the game, when just about every "Lets play" shows players just walking past them (like you're supposed to).

She never mentions there's penalties for doing the above in the vid too.

I've only casually followed this stuff though.

There's no real proof it was sent from her own home, and if it was, how come those claiming that their shitty Paint image "proof" were the first to decry Milo Breitbart getting something sent to his house without proof he didn't do it himself?

And for the love of God, the Hitman example is beaten to death. She has, what, 4 different Tropes videos with dozens of games mentioned? Find another one to trumpet if every video is full of countless flaws. Hitman is the only one ever mentioned.
 
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40. Re: etc. Oct 2, 2014, 16:01 Beamer
 
TheEmissary wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 13:30:
Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 13:25:
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 13:15:
Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 13:11:
What lie, specifically, are you pointing to?
Don't be ASeven and say something without a link and a quote so people have an idea of what you're talking about.
Didn't you read the articles? If you did, then you'd already know that the whole "gamers are misogynists, etc, etc, etc," is a lie. So was the "there is no collusion" bit either. After all I've already posted that nice little plagiarism picture for you, showing that the articles all contain 35-45% non-original content.

Dude, have you followed #gamergate at all? The misogyny is positively out of control.
And do you understand what an opinion is?

Lastly, here's a nice letter to Intel from the lead developer of Skyrim. Notice how he points out that people like you aren't the audience for Gamasutra, anyway.

Gamaustra may not be a consumer-oriented site but it still a public facing one. Anything said on there is going to attract attention and could still have an effect on the sponsors. The articles get reposted and followed on plenty of aggregate sites so its reach is a bit larger than just Devs.

That was never my point.
My point is people are cheering them getting taken down a notch over ethical violations, but what ethical violations. Even if they are found to be close to developers, shouldn't they be, when developers are the audience?
 
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49. Re: Ships Ahoy - Watch Dogs; First Reviews Oct 2, 2014, 15:40 Beamer
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 15:06:
Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 12:21:

I didn't say "anytime soon."

But the longer it goes, the more you need to consider other ways they could have spent that $2 billion (which, honestly, is less of a concern with Facebook, which has plenty of billions to spend) as well as the time value of money.

With each passing year, that number goes up. And up. And up.

Do you guys really think that Facebook will end up breaking even on this one. How many pairs need to be sold (25 million, if they make $100 profit per pair, which seems high) or how many apps/in-app purchases need to be sold?


No I don't think they will break even, but that is not how I define the success of VR To me Facebook is just a necessary evil in this. Without big corporations pushing VR ahead it would always remain a tiny market.

Maybe they will take licensing fees for the OR SDK and platform integration? After all Facebook doesn't just get (awesome) VR goggles out of this, but an entire VR entertainment platform complete with API and SDK. The goggles are just a tool....

In todays economic world, money has very little "time value" You actually lose money if you don't spend it, currently at least.

Time value is still extremely important.
It's more opportunity cost that is less important, because Facebook has enough cash that spending $2.5 billion on this isn't likely to prevent them from spending it on another project.
 
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28. Re: etc. Oct 2, 2014, 13:28 Beamer
 
Seriously, to all of you constantly saying this is about journalist ethics, show me three ethical violations by Gamasutra.

I haven't seen one. The guy below me thinks that having an opinion he disagrees with is an ethical violation. That's very funny. Others have repeatedly said the issues are with previews and with reviews, which Gamasutra avoids. Others say the issue is with how close game magazines are to developers, but Gamasutra is a trade magazine, not a consumer magazine, so its audience is solely developers.

So, please, if this is about ethics and not having opinions you disagree with, show me the ethical violations that make you so happy to have targeted Gamasutra.
 
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27. Re: etc. Oct 2, 2014, 13:25 Beamer
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 13:15:
Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 13:11:
What lie, specifically, are you pointing to?
Don't be ASeven and say something without a link and a quote so people have an idea of what you're talking about.
Didn't you read the articles? If you did, then you'd already know that the whole "gamers are misogynists, etc, etc, etc," is a lie. So was the "there is no collusion" bit either. After all I've already posted that nice little plagiarism picture for you, showing that the articles all contain 35-45% non-original content.

Dude, have you followed #gamergate at all? The misogyny is positively out of control.
And do you understand what an opinion is?

Lastly, here's a nice letter to Intel from the lead developer of Skyrim. Notice how he points out that people like you aren't the audience for Gamasutra, anyway.
 
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24. Re: etc. Oct 2, 2014, 13:11 Beamer
 
TheEmissary wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 13:10:
Both sides in this fight are ridiculous for taking it this far and being down right hostile to each other rather than actually talking about the issues. I would imagine there are legitimate issues with portrayal of women and ethics in Games Media/Enthusiast press but we aren't ever going to get a real forum for that.

The Op-Ed talking points could be said without vilifying an entire demographic of people.

There are enormous issues with both. I don't see many people denying that there are issues with gaming press, though.
 
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23. Re: etc. Oct 2, 2014, 13:11 Beamer
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 13:03:
Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 12:58:
But again, there's no fucking way this is about journalist ethics if it targeted Gamasutra, which has not violated any journalist ethics.
Lying isn't a violation of journalistic ethics?

What lie, specifically, are you pointing to?
Don't be ASeven and say something without a link and a quote so people have an idea of what you're talking about.
 
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Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 12:55:
garrywong wrote on Oct 2, 2014, 12:11:
And why such a huge contrast to how the same sites reacted to dorritosgate, which was basically the exact same thing?
People had enough, simple as that. This has been a long time coming and this is what it's blown up into. FYI reddit had minimal influence on this infinity-chan and jayd3fox for running the campaign are the primary source on this. It's funny that jayd3fox originally did a few tongue-in-cheek bits until she got doxxed by the anti-gg side. And it seemed to snowball from there. Strange how neutral people like jon tron and TB who were neutral are now pro-gg after being accused of being "misogynist man babies and shitlords."

And I find the "but this is censorship" comments laughable. Gee, and advertiser realizes that someone is being hostile to their income, investigates, finds that they are being hostile to those they get income from and pulls ads is "censorship" elofuckingel.

You're right, that absolutely isn't censoring by Intel.
What is a bit more closely related is that people disliked an editorial from Gamasutra so they went after advertisers to try to make sure Gamasutra never publishes an editorial they do not like.

It isn't exactly censorship, but considering it's coming from a group endlessly whining about how editorials like Gamasutra's are trying to censor their games (which is not true), it's at least funny.

But again, there's no fucking way this is about journalist ethics if it targeted Gamasutra, which has not violated any journalist ethics.
 
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