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News Comments > etc., etc.
38. Re: etc., etc. Oct 29, 2014, 11:08 Beamer
 
Anyway, I'm going to go back to Jimmy Wales intelligent You've Lost the PR War comment, in which people dance circles trying to say they need to keep #gamergate.

Why, even here, are people so attached to the name?

It does not mean "journalism ethics" to anyone but a small group of gamers. Let's assume even just 1% of Gamergate supporters subscribe to the KotakuInAction subreddit. That means that there are under 2 million Gamergate supporters. GTAV sold 11 million copies in 24 hours.
You aren't even the majority of gamers.
To many other gamers, maybe not most but many, it's about harassing women
To many developers, virtually every single one that's come out and spoken, it's about harassing women
To the mainstream media, it's about harassing women
To non-mainstream media, it's about harassing women

And this is expected, right?
To date nothing has been accomplished around video game ethics journalism. Gamasutra lost a sponsor for something not related to ethics, and Gawker lost a sponsor (well, in Australia) for something not related to video games.

This thing was born out of what has amounted to nothing more than slut-shaming, and that feels legit. No one Zoe Quinn was connected to reviewed her game or dealt with it much, no one Zoe Quinn was connected to has been harassed much, and hell, outside of Nathan Grayson no one even remembers who the other guys were. But everyone remembers Zoe Quinn and has nasty things to say about her.

And yes, many Gamergaters say they do not support the violence and threats. But here's the thing: you refuse to distance yourself from it. You keep using the name. The name that, to everyone else, means "violence against women." And people refuse to denounce it. Even here, it ultimately is just "men get threats, too!" Which is not denouncing or distancing but shrugging shoulders and accepting.

If this is about journalism ethics, truly about it, and you have no pride or enjoyment from the "SJW" harassment, how about not using a vague name that could stand for anything and, outside of a small few, stands for harassing women.
How about, you know, #journalismethics. It's straight to the point. It's impossible to confuse. It is much harder for others to co-op and much easier for you to deny is intrinsically tied to any harassment people do in trying to co-op it. It makes it very clear what you are fighting for.

But, for some reason, people refuse to abandon a name very heavily steeped in and tained with harassment of women.
And then they wonder why, to the outside person, it's seen as being that and their refusal to change is seen as being less due to #gamergate having a nice ring and more being due to them actually supporting what is being done and disliking those being targeted. Which, frankly, is how most people see the desperate clinging to the name.
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
37. Re: etc., etc. Oct 29, 2014, 11:00 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 10:54:
TheVocalMinority wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 08:40:

Using that facility to ban people you simply disagree with rather than just trolls and griefers creates a nice echo chamber which doesn't challenge and hence improve your ideas. This is not a good thing.

Normally, I'd agree with you, but when someone ignores points/flees threads when you poke a hole in their reasoning, or simply refuses to see reason altogether, it's a waste of time to respond to them. I gave those individuals ample amounts of my time and didn't even get so much as a reasonable discussion.

So blocking them ensures I don't get goaded into wasting any more time, and I can reply to people who disagree but show interest in honest dialogue. I don't tend to post a lot of one-liners IMHO. If I'm going to spend my time writing a lengthy post I want it to at least lead to an interesting discussion, not round and round in circles with someone.

Just last week you were paying me compliments.
I didn't ignore/flee, these threads are:
a) EVERYWHERE. It's hard to keep up with which ones are which and which ones are active
b) Very time consuming. Exceptionally time consuming. I don't always have the time to come back in and respond. I tend to only open the "etc" threads when I do have time, whereas I can open any thread at any time knowing it won't take 5-10 minutes to read and reply, but the "etc" threads I only do when I have a chunk of time to actually sit and read. Sometimes, by the time that happens, one has fallen so far down I don't even see it

Just last week you were telling me you liked me. One forgotten thread and I'm ignored.
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
6. Re: etc., etc. Oct 28, 2014, 21:26 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Oct 28, 2014, 21:16:
Henry Dorsett wrote on Oct 28, 2014, 20:00:
Gamer: "a cis white male who hates women, minorities, or anyone different from himself; especially : a basement-dweller who regularly plays with himself" (Sarkeesian-Gawker Dictionary)

Fixed that for you with the dictionary definition that the gaming press uses.

More like what Breitbart called them.
Again, the whole "gamers are dead" thing was about banishing that stereotype, not enforcing it. It's very sad that the reaction was really, really clustering around it and proving that "Gamers" aren't dead, and the stereotype is still true for many extremely loud people.
 
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News Comments > etc.
8. Re: etc. Oct 28, 2014, 19:56 Beamer
 
Adobe came out making certain people knew it wasn't aligned with #gamergate.

And Jimmy Wales makes a few good points here.
From "almost every gamergate supporter I've talked to has been abusive to me" to "change the name... you don't own it, the misogynists do. That is the reality."

It's fun to see people squirm, as they do here, to say the name is clean, there's a conspiracy against it, there's no need to change the name, etc.
But they're wrong. The name is intrinsically tied to misogyny. If you do not like the misogyny, do not use the name. Oddly, everyone claiming to not be for misogyny clings to this name and refuses to disavow it.
 
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News Comments > Evening Tech Bits
14. Re: Evening Tech Bits Oct 28, 2014, 15:45 Beamer
 
BobBob wrote on Oct 28, 2014, 15:20:
harlock wrote on Oct 28, 2014, 06:04:
BobBob wrote on Oct 28, 2014, 02:07:
Lately, I've been reading a lot of 1930's and 40's science fiction --- checked out free from the library.

yeh but youre a senior citizen... people expect those kinds of things from you

I would consider that a compliment if it were true. I find most of the older generation to be hard working, humble, wise and ethical. This new generation has too many whiny, narcissistic, impatient and selfishly spoiled drama queens -- much of it thanks to the short attention span and immediate gratification of social media and skill-less virtual games that require little to no challenge.

Things the old generation gave us:
1) Student loans to cover skyrocketing college tuitions
2) Raided pensions and social security
3) The concept of leverage, and with it businesses that disappear by being excessively leveraged by PE firms
4) In the legal world, lengthier waits to be partner and the new concepts of non-partner track attorneys and non-equity partners
5) A drastic increase in CEO to worker pay
6) And, with it, a drastic increase in wealth inequality
7) Worldcom, Enron, and a large host of companies "restating" earnings
8) A doubling in federal debt share of GDP from 1965 to 2012


The legacy of the boomers is widely discussed, but at this point they're mostly considered to have been given a very successful, thriving country and taken as much out of it and put it into their own pockets as possible. So many articles and books speculating how the Boomers could go from hippies to scorching the Earth with their greed, leaving future generations to figure out how the hell to fix all the economic damage they wrought.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
6. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 28, 2014, 13:19 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Oct 28, 2014, 11:43:
It never ceases to amaze me how some people can obsess over the "perfect" cup of coffee. It's all so pretentious.

Yeah, it's so much worse than people here discussing the best computer builds or how to change settings to get an extra 2% fps...
 
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News Comments > etc.
5. Re: etc. Oct 28, 2014, 13:18 Beamer
 
ASeven wrote on Oct 28, 2014, 13:15:
Kellogs has dropped Gawker.

In Australia.

Which is fine, Sam Biddle is a dick and Gawker's network is mostly awful crap.
But this still has not a single thing to do with ethics in gaming journalism. Or gaming journalism. Or ethics.
 
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News Comments > Evening Tech Bits
2. Re: Evening Tech Bits Oct 27, 2014, 21:56 Beamer
 
DangerDog wrote on Oct 27, 2014, 21:50:
could it be that the content of the media sucks?

No, it's that no one wants to buy.
I am working on something at work that I keep stressing will fail for this reason. Who buys anything anymore? I have about a billion DVDs and CDs that I consider albatrosses. I want nothing to do with them. They're a huge hassle to move from apartment to apartment (I tend to last no longer than 18 months in any given place.) I never use them. I never look at them.

And even digital purchases are over. Why would I ever buy an mp3? I have Spotify. Any song I want available immediately for no money at all. Yeah, I hear a commercial every 5 or 6 songs (I think two commercials, as of this month.) But I pay nothing for it. Nothing at all. And Spotify has an enormous selection.

For movies, I use Amazon Prime or Netflix or HBO On Demand or, most frequently, pay $3.99 or $5.99 to watch it On Demand from my cable provider. I rarely repeat watch things, though I once thought I did (and when I have kids I'm sure I will again), so why would I pay more to have something I have to store that will just collect dust?
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
3. Re: etc., etc. Oct 27, 2014, 20:45 Beamer
 
I didn't even know that was Matthew Perry.  
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News Comments > etc.
48. Re: etc. Oct 27, 2014, 16:12 Beamer
 
Two more good Gamergate posts:
Popehat: 10 Short Rants About Gamergate
Basically, he says, at the very least, people have to admit the timing is bad. There have been enormous amounts of issues with ethics in games journalism. It isn't until there's an enormous amount of misogyny and attacks on women that most gamers suddenly decide they care.
He also points out that the enemy of your enemy is not your friend, and acting like Milo is on your side is just a bad idea.


Ace of Geeks: 10 Reasons Gamergate Has Failed
Once again, he points out that this entire thing started with bagging on a woman and continued in that exact regard.


This entire thing is like an American going to Afghanistan and telling people it's about freedom. "We're trying to bring you freedom!" But you keep bombing innocent people here. "Well, that's the armed forces, that's like, barely any of us. The rest of us just want freedom!" You can understand why so many don't see that as being entirely true.
 
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News Comments > etc.
47. Re: etc. Oct 27, 2014, 16:08 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Oct 27, 2014, 12:16:
Why am I not surprised that Beamer completely ignored my post pointing out that he was misrepresenting that subreddit?

Ah well, I give up. Kid's going on the block list. Even Cutter isn't on there.

I didn't ignore, my posts in the morning are often while laying in bed and posting on my phone, which limits how much I can respond to. Still, the numbers don't lie. My post shows the word count. Yours focuses on the most recent posts.

 
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News Comments > Morning Crowdfunding Roundup
10. Re: Morning Crowdfunding Roundup Oct 27, 2014, 13:33 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Oct 27, 2014, 11:54:
So far every one of my KS has produced a pretty damn good game. Only Torment and the Obsidian one whose name escapes me at the moment to go.

Of course, I didn't back projects by Joe Unknown who promises to make a miracle watch, or a miracle camera that can instantly teleport itself to the moon, or an RPG the size of Baldur's Gate 2, all for 20.000 fucking dollars.

I've gotten some really cool weird physical projects, but I have gone with things that are interesting applications of existing technology rather than entirely new technology.
 
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News Comments > Sunday Metaverse
10. Re: Sunday Metaverse Oct 27, 2014, 12:30 Beamer
 
Creston wrote on Oct 27, 2014, 12:27:
Assange: AM I STILL RELEVANT? ANYONE? HELLO? IS THIS THING ON???!

That's what I expected, too, but it's a pretty interesting article. Some of it is a bit conspiracy-theory-y, but much of it makes sense.
 
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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
9. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 27, 2014, 12:23 Beamer
 
Axis wrote on Oct 27, 2014, 11:57:
I'm making another killer PC system for my son, getting Super Smash bros for the Wii-U, and gladly avoiding any xbone/ps4 crap marketing.

I've seen both at length and I'm not the least impressed -- it's still PC + Nintendo for our family.

I miss the days of having roommates to endlessly play SSBM with.
I do mean endlessly. I'd say there was a 100:1 ratio of hours spent playing SSBM to hours spent studying/in class while I was in law school. We wouldn't even turn the GC off, we'd just pause it, go somewhere, come back and unpause it. Waiting for the thing to boot was tooooooo looooong.
 
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News Comments > etc.
42. Re: etc. Oct 27, 2014, 11:14 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Oct 27, 2014, 10:34:
People keep pointing out that pro-GG isn't talking about ethics but honestly, how can they when they are constantly required to debunk the deliberate misrepresentation of their cause over and over again. Admittedly any large movement starts to resemble a multi-headed beast once it becomes large enough, but from what I've seen GG people have done a respectable job of staying on message when they aren't being attacked by activists with a vested interest in branding them as all sorts of horrible things.

You could ignore that, or you could do something about ethics.
Again, it's endlessly the wrong "unethical" targets, overwhelmingly women, and nothing is being done about ethics.

Nothing.
Not a single thing has been done about ethics.

We've seen Leigh Alexander punished, but she wasn't unethical. We've seen Sam Biddle punished, but he wasn't a video game journalist. We've seen Anita Sarkeesian chased from her house, Zoe Quinn sexually harassed, and Brianna Wu also chased from her house. We've seen several, lesser-known women chased from the industry as a whole.

We have not seen a single thing done due to journalism ethics.
So if not a single thing is being done about one aspect, but enormous amounts of things are being done against women, how are we supposed to view this?
 
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News Comments > etc.
2. Re: etc. Oct 27, 2014, 11:12 Beamer
 
Ug.

Seriously, how do people still think that Newsweek is wrong and this has been about journalism ethics?

Look at the Reddit forum - everyone talks about Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, and feminists. No one discusses ethics or finds legitimate ethical violations. Everyone talks about woman-dominated indie games and no one discusses the huge issue of all the free swag AAA publishers give for reviews.

Take a look at Blues: can anyone actually say that journalism ethics has been even 10% of the posts about gamergate here?

And if it's about journalism ethics, how come Anita Sarkeesian (not a journalist) seems to be the pivot point? I've yet to see a single "gamergater" say "she makes some good points and I support what she does, but that isn't the point of this." Instead discussions of her, which are endless, go along this range "cherry-picking, wrong, blowing out of proportion, opportunist, Jack Thompson, censorship, hitler, feminizazi, route of all evil."

This is all the discussion turns around - women. Constantly women. Never journalism. And nothing has been accomplished around journalism at all. Sure, Gamasutra was punished for not being unethical, and Gawker was punished for not being unethical (which doesn't make punishing Sam Biddle wrong, but he did not violate any ethics nor is he a video game journalism. I can't repeat those two points often enough.)

Seriously. If this is about journalism ethics find appropriate targets and do something! Instead people keep saying it's about journalism ethics but doing absolutely nothing on that front while people inside gamergate constantly attack women. Of course that's what it's about if it's the only thing anyone identifying as a gamergater is doing! No one is doing anything about journalism ethics. Even the fringe supporters that claim to be too busy for action and just there for support, ie people here, don't discuss it because they're too busy discussing women.

If you can honestly look at the discussions here on Blues and say it's about journalism and not women... I just don't know what else to say.
 
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News Comments > etc.
27. Re: etc. Oct 26, 2014, 21:06 Beamer
 
Dmitri_M wrote on Oct 26, 2014, 19:40:
That mainstream media choose to connect gamers with the worst possible societal problems is nothing new. For years they've attempted to link playing games with school shootings. With people who don't find meaningful employment. Now with misogyny, and death threats.

Except this time, you know, its factual, with a giant movement angry at women and full of death threats.

Seriously, what journalist ethics have you guys attacked thus far?
 
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26. Re: etc. Oct 26, 2014, 21:05 Beamer
 
FloorPie wrote on Oct 26, 2014, 21:02:
Good place for info, gamergate side anyway:

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/

As for DA3, I'm not surprised. Time will tell if all they have under the hood is gay/bi/alt/alien/whatever romance story lines.

As I linked to yesterday, the word count on that forum had over 2000 hits for "feminist" and not even 600 for "ethics."

Not about ethics.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
10. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 26, 2014, 15:58 Beamer
 
I wear raw denim. I will go 100-180 wears between washings, unless they are dirty.

But I also have six pairs I alternate through (which is like $1200 in denim.) if you don't wear every day you have no issues with bacteria because they aren't moist enough for it to grow.
 
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News Comments > Saturday Interviews
28. Re: Saturday Interviews Oct 25, 2014, 19:03 Beamer
 
Yeahyeah, find me one journalist ethics that Sam biddle violated. Not your own theory, but an actual, professional list. There are plenty out there.

And no, I'm not reading your gibberish because it is ignorant. Sorry. Your views on misogyny are shaped by your experiences and your rationale for your actions. That's not right. Again, this is a factual misunderstanding you have. Misogyny isn't as fluid and vague as you make it, which is how I know my view is more accurate than yours.
 
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