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News Comments > The Evil Within > 30 FPS "Not Supported"
39. Re: The Evil Within > 30 FPS Oct 9, 2014, 13:08 Beamer
 
Overon wrote on Oct 9, 2014, 12:57:
Timmeh wrote on Oct 9, 2014, 12:27:
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 9, 2014, 10:24:
No thanks.

There is no excuse for targeting 30fps on PC. I don't have a problem with a 'cinematic mode' that limits the aspect ratio and framerate but that should be optional. The game should be designed to use the full screen resolution and support 60fps minimum.

This is clearly a console port.

every game does not need to run at 250 fps or even 60 fps. A survival horror game is a certain kind of game. Having a constant 30 FPS with no slowdowns is the best option when you are going for a cinematic experience. Especially Survival horror. Everything is slower and more deliberate in these games.

This is what the GAME DESIGNER chose for the GAME EXPERIENCE. He's not making a game thinking about all the whiney ass spoiled 4 year old my ice cream is cold and I have the depth of a mud puddle in Arizona PC forum poster.

I'm sorry but you are so wrong. No game designer chooses 30 fps. They only go that route when they cannot get higher frame rates from their engine and the hardware it's running on. Every game designer knows about human visual perception and 60 fps is always better than 30. This has been tested so many times and the myth of 30 fps has been debunked so many times that its tiring. Soon you will tell me that we use only x% of our brain.

You're right, to an extent.
No hardware can run all software at 60fps. It's a physical impossibility. Developers have to make tradeoffs to get frames per second, and sometimes those tradeoffs aren't worth the extra frames, so they're sacrificed.

We should applaud this. Frames per second are hardly the only judge of whether a game is good or not.

So the argument, then, is why limit a game to a certain number of frames rather than let a system run it as best as it can?
Obvious answer: because you can tell the difference between 60fps and 30fps.
Different scenes have different levels of complexity, especially in a game like survival horror. For a huge chunk of the game you're walking down a narrow hallway with nothing going on. A good system can pump out tons of frames. Suddenly you hit a scene where hell breaks loose. Any system will take a sudden frame hit.
Which a player can notice.

When you lock to 30fps, you basically assume the same frame rate for the entire experience, and no sudden jumps or dips. It also gives the developers a lot of room to add more detail to scenes, particularly quiet ones, because they know the CPU/GPU won't be taxed too hard, trying to push out significant frames, so they can put more into each frame.
 
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News Comments > Grimrock 2 Compatibility Test
5. Re: Grimrock 2 Compatibility Test Oct 9, 2014, 12:54 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Oct 9, 2014, 12:27:
Saboth wrote on Oct 9, 2014, 11:01:
I got about 45% through the first one. I do love dungeon crawlers, but I've always disdained copious puzzles. I like fighting, getting loot, figuring out battles, not pulling 10 chains in various sequences to get a door to open, or stepping on 15 teleporters for an hour. I know, I know, Eye of the Beholder, et. al. had them, and I hated them back then too.

That goes for me as well. Never finished it for the same reason.

I didn't even make it that far. The movement being tiled and around 90 degree angles just put me off.

Like Saboth said, I know it's a throwback and how games used to be, but we also used to not know better, understand things were limitations we don't have now, plus back then for much of us when we bought a game that was it for a period of time. Today, if a game doesn't catch me I still have about 300 or 400 unplayed Steam games and a dozen or two unplayed console games to check out.

I know it's unfair, but this game just seemed like a ton of fun for five minutes but then felt like I was fighting the game rather than playing it.
 
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News Comments > The Evil Within > 30 FPS "Not Supported"
34. Re: The Evil Within > 30 FPS Oct 9, 2014, 12:48 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Oct 9, 2014, 12:38:
...Reviews tend to point out the crap ports, wait on them.

I was kind of with you until this last line. One of my biggest gripes with game reviews these days is that so many of them fail to mention porting problems. The better ones always do, but there are lots that don't.

A lot of big sites just copy-and-paste, only mentioning something platform specific if it's extremely special or dire.

Which always sucks. Adding a simple paragraph to the bottom explaining any differences, or saying "no differences between platforms" seems easy and useful.
 
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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
5. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 9, 2014, 12:19 Beamer
 
HoSpanky wrote on Oct 9, 2014, 11:05:
Surprisingly, the starting menu has no ads. Hop one page over, yeah, ads for games, movies n dlc.

Are those really ads, though?
I mean, does that make the front page of Steam 100% ads? It's all "ads" for games and DLC. I guess I should burn Steam? I mean, they already take 30% of my purchase, now they feel they should advertise the things they sell to me so I'm aware they exist?!

I find, say, the ads on Xbox for a Chevy Malibu annoying. But if it's something you can actually buy via Xbox I don't see how it's bad. It's like walking into a supermarket and seeing a display showing you bananas are $0.69 per pound and yelling "ALL THESE ADS! I'M TAKING MY BUSINESS ELSEWHERE!"
 
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News Comments > The Evil Within > 30 FPS "Not Supported"
28. Re: The Evil Within > 30 FPS Oct 9, 2014, 12:16 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Oct 9, 2014, 12:10:
I never understand the "you can use an unsupported fix" crowd excusing shoddy porting. Yes I can use a few console commands or make some config.ini changes, but "unsupported" means if it doesn't work or if screws your game up it's basically 'tough shit'. I like that the flexibility to utilize such things exists to be sure but I'm not too keen on the idea that developers are relying on it like they seem to be.

Leaving it in there usually means it probably won't mess your game up, though. It might, and they're not going to take the QA time to find out for sure, but it probably won't.

If it probably would, they just wouldn't include it because more headaches will come with including a gamebreaking option than in just not including it at all.

So yeah, it may screw things up, but the fact that they're including it means they're pretty certain it won't.
 
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News Comments > The Evil Within > 30 FPS "Not Supported"
8. Re: The Evil Within > 30 FPS Oct 9, 2014, 10:15 Beamer
 
jacobvandy wrote on Oct 9, 2014, 10:13:
I have no issue with a developer making a SURVIVAL HORROR game that is targeting 30 fps and 2.35:1 for aesthetic purposes. They're giving you the option to bypass those choices yourself, yet you still bitch and moan?

They're bitching because they didn't read.
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
17. Re: etc., etc. Oct 8, 2014, 23:00 Beamer
 
harlock wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 22:56:
a persecution complex, you say? wow, i never would have imagined...

Again, it's both sides here. "asking for more games with a decent female character is censorship!"
 
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News Comments > Evening Tech Bits
6. Re: Evening Tech Bits Oct 8, 2014, 21:02 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 20:36:
Broads shouldn't be in charge of tech companies. But if you're going to do it regardless, at least put one in who isn't a bean counter. Smooth move Ex-Lax! Nice play, Shakespeare!


Cutter: demonstrating that there's no misogyny here.
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
15. Re: etc., etc. Oct 8, 2014, 20:13 Beamer
 
harlock wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 20:00:
found this little gem a few seconds ago:

My pro-Anita response was deleted on the bluesnews.com comments section within an hour.. along with any other pro-Anita posts, however anti-Anita posts were left untouched. Tough to fight information warefare like that, sad thing because Iíve been going to bluesnews.com for over 15 years now, but itís comment sections are pretty much owned by cranky 30-40 male something gamers. This was my first time hearing about any of this, but after my comments were deleted Iím a believer that aggressors are actively at work here.

so which one of you girls got your panties in a bunch over this? hmm?

Can you link that? (edit - derp, it's in the comments of the linked article!)
Blue has done a tremendous job not deleting anything, and when he does we see a *REMOVED*, so it wouldn't be hard to know who did that.
Unless that's doxxing.

Oh, he comes back:
Well it seems I made a mistake, it wasnít deleted. I tried seeing if I could find the post through my history, ends up it was on a totally different thread with a very similar topic, on the very neighboring day day. My mistake.
 
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News Comments > Evening Mobilization
3. Re: Evening Mobilization Oct 8, 2014, 20:10 Beamer
 
Tom wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 20:05:
That Windows Phone article is hilarious. After 3 years of using Windows Phone phones, I've still never seen another person with one.

I see them everywhere.
I also live in Seattle.
 
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News Comments > Evening Tech Bits
2. Re: RE: Follow up Oct 8, 2014, 19:53 Beamer
 
UConnBBall wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 19:44:
Once again AMD does right to the community and consumers and yet you'll buy a NVIDIA.

Well, if it's the most powerful card in the price range I'm looking, yeah. Linux drivers mean less than nothing to me, so why would I not by the best card in the range I wanted?

I don't play company favorites - I buy the best product available at the price range I'm budgeting.
 
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News Comments > Evening Tech Bits
10. Re: Evening Tech Bits Oct 8, 2014, 18:55 Beamer
 
Axis wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 18:18:
Beamer wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 11:20:
Axis wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 07:51:
Apparently most of you are not old enough to remember the same type of bullshit headlines from the 80's, when machines were going to replace all the jobs.

Oh ya, and the ozone was going to be destroyed if you didn't stop spraying your mullet...

Nothing has been worse for our county, including the economy, than Obama and the democratic machine - don't need a conservative blog equivalent to quote - just open your eyes and have a look around.

You realize, of course, that CFCs are still widely believed to cause holes in the ozone layer and were banned from most uses in 1989, though some countries are still banning them as we speak.

It's funny that you mention it as if it's some quack science when:
1) The theory is still believed
2) Nothing has been disproved
3) The causations have been banned or reduced
4) No one is really lacking in their lives from those changes

Because it is quack crap. Nothing has been proved either - all you have is early speculation from Nasa and the taking of the torch from the libs in the early part of the witch hunt. It's still being by the thousands and thousands of tonnes/year in other countries, some speculate even more today than in the past because of it's profitability -- and since you couldn't comprehend a "lacking in lives", you wouldn't know how it affected the poor when they couldn't get freon anymore in the past, and how much more expensive it is with the alternate crap they use today.

All we have is early speculation from NASA?
It wasn't even NASA that came up with the theory, nor that discovered the holes.
 
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News Comments > Shadow of Mordor Review Pressure Allegations
60. Re: Shadow of Mordor Review Pressure Allegations Oct 8, 2014, 15:23 Beamer
 
Quinn wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 15:20:
harlock wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 14:48:
Quinn wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 10:58:
I'm stunned that the nemesis system so blinds people to the shallowness this game is; how little it really has to offer.

sounds like what you're really stunned about is how someone else could ever have an opinion that differs from your own... which is usually caused by the "world revolving around you" issue, so that should explain everything for ya

Meh, you guys are kinda right. Somehow it's indeed hard to understand opinions so vastly different than your own. I'mmmmm letting it go.

Game still kinda sucks.

Classy post.
No sarcasm. It's always nice when someone says "well, I think my opinion is right, but of course you also have your opinion and I'll respect it."

These are games. Nothing more.
 
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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
4. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 8, 2014, 14:18 Beamer
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 14:05:
The Forza killer, another prime example of publisher's $ spent on reviews

It has a 72 on metacritic and a 62 user score. That's pretty close. How are you presuming they bought reviews?
 
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News Comments > Shadow of Mordor Review Pressure Allegations
55. Re: Shadow of Mordor Review Pressure Allegations Oct 8, 2014, 13:11 Beamer
 
HorrorScope wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 12:56:
NKD wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 12:06:

Yeah I don't really think every game needs to be some ultra complex and deep thing. Sometimes slaughtering the shit out of orcs for 25 hours can be fun. .

Not that I have a problem with your point, other than are there really a lot of overly complicated games? I find most are slaughtering the shit out of things.

Have you tried CK2?

Also, my favorite Orc slaughtering is far and away Orcs Must Die 2. I wonder if this could possibly hold my attention as long as that game did. Must... get... 5... skull... rating!
 
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News Comments > Shadow of Mordor Review Pressure Allegations
52. Re: Shadow of Mordor Review Pressure Allegations Oct 8, 2014, 12:11 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 12:06:
Prez wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 10:31:
So I guess I like wasting my time, but I am a proponent of the saying "Time you enjoy wasting isn't wasted time". So I really want Shadows of Mordor in spite of what you say. I know I'll love it.

Yeah I don't really think every game needs to be some ultra complex and deep thing. Sometimes slaughtering the shit out of orcs for 25 hours can be fun. It was fun as hell for me. I wish more games had combat like Shadow of Mordor. In some games, the combat actually gets tedious and you just want to skip as much of it as possible. But in Mordor I would be on my way to a mission and I'd feel compelled to just rip this camp of orcs apart for no particular reason.

Sometimes a simple, tightly focused game can be more fun.

Yeah, like others said, Batman was fantastic but some of the non-direct game stuff got tedious. I suppose it kept the combat from being tedious, but I think I'd like this game a lot. Only, I don't think I'd like it as much on PC as a console and don't want a next-gen console yet, so by the time I get a chance to play it'll probably be a better fleshed out sequel.

As for these qualifications, I understand why a PR firm may feel a YouTube personality needs to be handled more (less accountability, more hits based on how much venom they spew), but this is clearly an impossibly dumb way to handle it. Regardless, I am too old to not buy a game I'd enjoy because the publisher's PR firm is impossibly wrong, just like I won't avoid a good article on a website just because they once said something I don't like or won't watch a movie on TV because I dislike an actor's politics. Good entertainment I'm in the mood for is something I'm ready to jump on regardless.
 
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News Comments > Evening Tech Bits
7. Re: Evening Tech Bits Oct 8, 2014, 11:20 Beamer
 
Axis wrote on Oct 8, 2014, 07:51:
Apparently most of you are not old enough to remember the same type of bullshit headlines from the 80's, when machines were going to replace all the jobs.

Oh ya, and the ozone was going to be destroyed if you didn't stop spraying your mullet...

Nothing has been worse for our county, including the economy, than Obama and the democratic machine - don't need a conservative blog equivalent to quote - just open your eyes and have a look around.

You realize, of course, that CFCs are still widely believed to cause holes in the ozone layer and were banned from most uses in 1989, though some countries are still banning them as we speak.

It's funny that you mention it as if it's some quack science when:
1) The theory is still believed
2) Nothing has been disproved
3) The causations have been banned or reduced
4) No one is really lacking in their lives from those changes
 
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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
31. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 7, 2014, 19:18 Beamer
 
PropheT wrote on Oct 7, 2014, 18:47:
Beamer wrote on Oct 7, 2014, 15:31:
We've been so conditioned to higher resolution is better, but I don't think that's wholly true anymore. I think that, for a TV you're not close to, resolution is no longer nearly as important a way to judge the value of a game.

Looking at a video on YouTube at 720p like the links you had default to doesn't really show the whole picture either, though. I agree that it doesn't matter much on a normal TV at a typical distance, at least from just a purely visual standpoint when looking at the end result.

The real issue is that if the resolution needs to be dropped to maintain a playable frame rate, then you tend to be looking at other performance-related issues that will arise as a result of that difference in power that creates the disparity that requires the resolution to be lowered on that system in the first place. It's pretty rare that just the resolution needs to be tweaked in order to affect a steady frame rate where there wasn't one before, since that's just the fastest way to cover up performance issues that you can't resolve another, better way.

The links default to 720p, but I kicked all but one up to 1080p, and that extra one I kicked to 1440p.
 
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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
27. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 7, 2014, 17:06 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Oct 7, 2014, 15:42:

The whole console resolution thing is just an e-peen flexing thing for the ongoing console wars. Like you said, it doesn't matter in 99% of living room/TV configurations. If you're playing with a console hooked to a 24" or bigger monitor a foot and a half from your face, then yeah, but that's an edge case and not something developers need to really concern themselves with for the console versions.

Frame rate is a bigger deal, but that's not typically an issue on PC either because users there are typically more savvy and have finer control over detail levels to ensure a good framerate.

In short, I don't know why any of us should care what's going on with Xbone vs. PS4. Despite the improvements over last gen, they have technical concerns that don't matter to us on PC.

Framerate depends for me. So long as it doesn't drop below 30 I don't tend to notice it for most things. Obviously it depends on the game, but I've played plenty of console games at 30fps and not really noticed. I'd love to actually do side-by-side, but...

AA matters much more to me than I'd expected. That's the area last-gen consoles failed the most visually.


This is like the third topic you've agreed with me on in 2 days. Are you sure you don't want to change your opinion? Haha.
 
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News Comments > Morning Consolidation
22. Re: Morning Consolidation Oct 7, 2014, 15:31 Beamer
 
Here's another one: Metro 2033. 1080p on PS4, 900p on Xbone. I can't imagine sitting on my couch and being able to see the difference.

And here's Destiny before the Xbone was cranked to 1080p. With all the action, I can't really see a difference.

We've been so conditioned to higher resolution is better, but I don't think that's wholly true anymore. I think that, for a TV you're not close to, resolution is no longer nearly as important a way to judge the value of a game.
 
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