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News Comments > Op Ed
19. Re: Op Ed Aug 31, 2014, 22:35 Beamer
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Aug 31, 2014, 22:04:
Squirmer wrote on Aug 31, 2014, 19:21:
If you don't agree that's a problem, then the problem is you.

Translation: If you don't believe exactly the way I do, then you're wrong.

Bigoted thinking in a nutshell.

I knew someone would say this, but he's kind of right. Think of it this way - if you tell everyone there is no problem, they will not change. You're telling them there's no reason to. The problem perceived in games is that gamers feel no change is needed and calla for change are personal attacks.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
14. Re: Op Ed Aug 31, 2014, 20:32 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Aug 31, 2014, 19:58:
Squirmer wrote on Aug 31, 2014, 19:21:
I get that you just want to talk about games, but unfortunately there are actual problems with game content and the games industry. If you don't want to hear about it, you should really be urging game companies to address those core problems, not asking everyone else to shut up about them.

That's assuming you agree that women treated as sex objects or passive targets of violence is a problem. If you don't agree that's a problem, then the problem is you.

I'm not really big on telling people what content they should or shouldn't create, myself. It would be nice if they'd avoid some of the more stereotypical misogynistic elements, but it's not really a big deal either way. I certainly wouldn't want to guilt someone into compromising their own idea of what their game should be, even if it personally offends me. In fact, it seems odd to me that the more games that come out that aren't ridden with those stereotypes, the more heated this supposed debate becomes.

Why is everyone so angry when the selection of non-misogynistic games is at an all-time high?

Because the gaming press is stirring everyone up because it's good for their business, and that's the problem. The press is poisoning the discussion by making the stakes seem so much higher than they actually are.

I've said this on this topic many times, that people attacking the content are wasting their breath. You can't attack content. People will cry censorship and you'll get nowhere, forever doomed to preach to the choir. See: Trying to get rid of rap music, or violent video games.

The fewer sexist developers you have in the gaming world, the fewer sexist games you'll see. The solution isn't to attack content or attack developers, it's to get women and men who do not hold those sexist views into the game development world.

Out of curiosity, though you won't tell developers what content they should or shouldn't create, aren't you kind of telling game sites what content they should or shouldn't create?
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
223. Re: Op Ed Aug 31, 2014, 15:11 Beamer
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Aug 31, 2014, 15:04:
The argument is lost and you stand alongside him.

Yet, at PAX, the argument was thriving and, frankly, far less of an argument than one may think. Anita's name was met with cheers. Developers keep coming out in support of changing the industry and, like in the case of Saints Row, admitting how poorly they'd done in the past. The build of Fortnite I played was only men, but the developers were saying it's due to the characters being somewhat placeholder and there will be plenty of women in the game, that their experiences in GoW had shown them how the old days of female character design were dead.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
219. Re: Op Ed Aug 31, 2014, 14:53 Beamer
 
Mad Max RW wrote on Aug 31, 2014, 14:43:
Keep on spinning, Beamer. You hypocrite.

Again, like ASeven, you lack the ability to cite anything. You don't quote, you don't link, you just make one phrase insults.

I know I treat you and ASeven like trash, but posts like this are why. ASeven rarely engages me, usually just doing a rather lame drive-by, and it's all you ever do. How am I not to treat you like a troll when the post I just quoted is clearly nothing more than trolling. Do you want to simply be a troll, or do you want to be part of the conversation?

Cite something. What is the hypocrisy?
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
216. Re: Op Ed Aug 31, 2014, 14:29 Beamer
 
ASeven wrote on Aug 31, 2014, 14:18:
Beamer wrote on Aug 31, 2014, 13:47:
Yes, from a woman employed by a Koch backed conservative think tank that denies climate change, argues against raises in minimum wage, argues against Wall Street regulation, and has been paid by the tobacco industry to write reports in support of the tobacco industry.

Christina Sommers is a real winner.

Citation on the wonderful work her employer, the American Enterprise Institute, does to make sure the Koch Brothers and their peers stay super rich while the rest of us suffer.
This is a woman you want to cite for common sense?

Sure, she has done pretty disgusting things, and I mean disgusting, as you've pointed out. Doesn't make what she said on this matter any less valid.

Also, the people on your side sure are as far from saints as you can get.

Beamer's strategy: when beaten, misdirect, slander, cherry-pick and lie.

That isn't what I did. Christ. You never understand anything.

Christine Sommers is famous for these things. She's famous for taking a cause and picking the opposite side. She is paid for doing such things, hence her employment. Yes, her employer is very, very important for judging where she is picking her viewpoint from, as it isn't like she's stocking shelves at Hobby Lobby or greeting at Walmart and it isn't significant - she's paid to think a certain way and publish reports that say a certain thing (such as "global warming doesn't exist.") She's carved out a very heavy niche of being the ultra-conservative choice for a feminist talking head, which has rewarded her career far, far better than anyone else mentioned in this thread as it makes her a de factor Fox News talking head.

Let's look at her books title:
The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men

That's all you need to know. "The war against boys." It's from the same garbled minds that complain about the wars against Christmas or the war against the rich.

To the rest of you - are you really comfortable calling a climate change denying Fox News yes woman a beacon of common sense?

And for shit's sake you little no-context-article-linking-troll, SHOW ME ONE FUCKING LIE FROM ME IN THIS THREAD! You keep accusing me of lying, but since you never ever cite anything, you just say it without showing a single lie made. And jesus fucking Christ, in a thread full of calling Anita Howeverherlastnameisspelled a liar, a troll, someone just looking out for herself, you're calling someone else out on slander? Jesus, look at all the slander YOU have done against Zoe Quinn and Anita Whatever. You keep posting "proof" of things that is, at best, conjecture. That's the definition of slander! How can you accuse anyone else of it?

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News Comments > Op Ed
210. Re: Op Ed Aug 31, 2014, 13:47 Beamer
 
nin wrote on Aug 31, 2014, 13:16:
ASeven wrote on Aug 31, 2014, 05:09:
This is a big one. Christina Sommers, one of the big names of the feminist movement, tweeted this:

"It is clear that gamers are being bullied by opportunistic,evidence-free gender warriors.But who are the enablers?Game companies? Bloggers?"

This only shows the wide rift between real feminists/humanitarians and SJWs.


Finally, some common sense.


Yes, from a woman employed by a Koch backed conservative think tank that denies climate change, argues against raises in minimum wage, argues against Wall Street regulation, and has been paid by the tobacco industry to write reports in support of the tobacco industry.

Christina Sommers is a real winner.

Citation on the wonderful work her employer, the American Enterprise Institute, does to make sure the Koch Brothers and their peers stay super rich while the rest of us suffer.
This is a woman you want to cite for common sense?
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
10. Re: Out of the Blue Aug 30, 2014, 21:41 Beamer
 
PAX is terrible.

But I played Fortnite for two hours. Fortnite is kind of awesome. Very, very fun. Very.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
181. Re: Op Ed Aug 30, 2014, 12:51 Beamer
 
Redmask wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 09:37:
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 06:34:
Hypocrisy doesn't ring a bell for you does it.

No it doesn't, I would bet serious money hes a failed lawyer or sales man.

I haven't been personal at you at all. I've actually been nice to you. I have no idea where this is coming from here.

But seriously, you think I'm a salesman. That's hysterical. Have you read a single post I've made, ever? But if you want to "bet serious money," put a thousand up and I'll prove you wrong.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
167. Re: Op Ed Aug 30, 2014, 04:58 Beamer
 
Dmitri_M wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 04:35:
There are larger more important causes out there, but they're harder to get press on.


This isn't a good argument, though. Of course there are larger and bigger issues out there. Look at all the people making anti-Anita videos, though. Why are they making those when there are larger, bigger issues out there?

Because, even though children are starving in China, this is an issue that gets them passionate.


I really do hate the "why aren't you paying attention to the larger, bigger issues, like the melting ice caps?" argument. Why is anyone posting on BluesNews when the polar bears are threatened?
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
164. Re: Op Ed Aug 30, 2014, 04:12 Beamer
 
Beamer wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 03:07:
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 01:06:
Jerykk wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 00:53:
Gamasutra is simply a site that posts news and editorials from people in the games industry. It does not have a regular staff of writers pumping out drivel like Kotaku does. Every editorial is written by a guest writer.
That might be true, providing that the author Leigh Alexander wasn't the managing editor, or writer or whatever. And also has no clue about gaming culture, as witnessed by her previous social media commentary.

Anyway, rather suspicious isn't it? It smells just like that bit where all those writers were colluding and writing similar articles with similar view points. Wish I remember what the mail list is called, oh well. So today, we've got no less than 7 sites all writing the same crap as gamasutra. Something smells rotten.

Tossing this in as well which is apparently from a journalist that wishes to remain anonymous. I'll rank it as possibly true, especially considering the collusion going on right now with all of the same stories.


Oh my god that reddit forum. It's everything some here claim doesn't exist.

Adding on to this, here are some choice quotes from the Reddit link that Mashiki Amiketo kindly linked us to, and where he and possibly ASeven get their information:

"So this is a thing," which is a discussion about a PAX Prime panel about what the industry is like for people that aren't straight, white, cisgendered males.
Here are some choice comments:

"Even though straight white cisgendered men are not a majority, "

They are among the US game buying public, you fucking bitch.


You know what fuck Penny Arcade at this point.


In other conversations:
Then again, nothing that a feminist says ever does (make sense).



This is better than "SJWs?"
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
163. Re: Op Ed Aug 30, 2014, 04:05 Beamer
 
Sepharo wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 04:01:
jdreyer wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 03:50:
JohnnyRotten wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 20:45:
He's not a lawyer. He's claimed to be about a dozen things to position himself as the subject matter expert de facto on everything until I called him out on it years ago on the old forum. Then he just stuck with his last lie.

That's all you need to know about his credibility on any subject.

Links, or you're just blowing gas your your ass.

Hah yeah, "old forum" like the one from 15 years ago? I don't think Beamer's been around that long.

I've been here since the late 90s, just didn't register this name until the day IGN bought VE3D. Ha, looking, this username beats your current one by a few months. Insanity. We're coming up on 12 years.

In any case, I'm fairly certain that guy can click my name, search "law school" in the upper right hand corner, and see my posting from application through graduation. Some nice, choice douchebag posts from a decade ago. There's no bigger douchebag than a current law student.
Nothing about my past is relevant here, though.

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News Comments > Op Ed
159. Re: Op Ed Aug 30, 2014, 03:07 Beamer
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 01:06:
Jerykk wrote on Aug 30, 2014, 00:53:
Gamasutra is simply a site that posts news and editorials from people in the games industry. It does not have a regular staff of writers pumping out drivel like Kotaku does. Every editorial is written by a guest writer.
That might be true, providing that the author Leigh Alexander wasn't the managing editor, or writer or whatever. And also has no clue about gaming culture, as witnessed by her previous social media commentary.

Anyway, rather suspicious isn't it? It smells just like that bit where all those writers were colluding and writing similar articles with similar view points. Wish I remember what the mail list is called, oh well. So today, we've got no less than 7 sites all writing the same crap as gamasutra. Something smells rotten.

Tossing this in as well which is apparently from a journalist that wishes to remain anonymous. I'll rank it as possibly true, especially considering the collusion going on right now with all of the same stories.


Oh my god that reddit forum. It's everything some here claim doesn't exist.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
148. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 23:37 Beamer
 
nin wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 22:03:
Jensen wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 21:40:
nin wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 10:14:
She's a lot like Jack Thompson. You could almost say she's started down the same path, as an alarmist desperately begging for your attention (and money!).

She is nothing like Jack Thompson.
Thompson tried to sue game makers over school shootings. He tried to sue retailers for carrying violent games. He filed a suit against Sony for allowing certain games on their systems.
I have never heard Sarkeesian advocate censorship or legal involvement. I've never heard her blame a school shooting or any other violence on video games.

They're both looking for easy, quick promotion for themselves.


JT was a true believer. He rode it to the end of his career.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
140. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 21:39 Beamer
 
Sho wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 20:12:
Icewind wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 20:01:
We're wired differently and most women aren't interested in being coders.

However:

* Nor are most men, when it comes down to it. We coders are a fraction of society in general.

* I've never seen any conclusive data proving there really are inherently less women interested in being coders than men (cf. Prez for pointing out a few things). And I've looked at quite a bit of it (I'm not a domain expert by any means, but I'm professionally implicated as a software developer with institutional responsibilities in some organizations which have female outreach programs).

* Even if it were true, that doesn't mean there aren't or can't be problems with the quality of the workspace experience for the women who do want to code. What percentage of the workforce they constitute doesn't matter. You want to treat individuals well.

* It also doesn't mean the percentage of female developers in the workforce right now is the same as the number of women who'd like to be.

* Some of those individuals equipped with ovaries make damn great engineers. Others are useful. Others aren't. It's really about the same with dudes.

* The specifics of how we are wired differently matter, and are still poorly understood. Here is a recent pop-sci article (don't take as gospel, use as launching point).

* Broader: Coders are also a fraction of game dev. There's a lot of occupations in game dev.

When it comes down to it, not being sexist isn't actually all that hard. It means recognizing that a person's gender doesn't really tell you all that much about them, because on any aspect of life men and women fall into spectra, and while the genders might clump on those spectra here and there, there's also a lot of overlap, and plenty of outliers. In the end you need to look at the individual, and that has implications for how you want to organize, well, your organizations, companies, and societies. And there's definitely still work to do there just on removing certain assumptions in existing systems. For the benefit of both women and men, actually.

There's a nice publication from a University of Texas CS Professor citing the following reasons as very important ones as to why there are so few female programmers:
- Undergraduate classroom teaching in which the “weedout” practices and policies privileging competition over cooperation tend to advantage men.
- Laboratory climates in which women are seen as foreign and not belonging at best, and experience blatant hostility and sexism at worst.
- Well-meaning people who unwittingly create stereotype threat by reminding students that "women can do computing as well as men".
- Strong resistance to changing the system in which these and other subtle practices are continuously reproduced.

Dev rooms tend to have a certain culture, similar to the one here, that women don't last long in. Again, look around us, do you see a single female voice? You certainly see strong resistance to changing the system.
At this point we have endless studies showing women outscore men in the STEM areas by a fairly overwhelming majority.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
139. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 21:34 Beamer
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 21:30:
Hypocrisyof course abounds among the swj class.

Can you people please start giving context to these images you post.

And, regardless, show me one cause that doesn't have idiots in it. One. Any one.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
138. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 21:33 Beamer
 
JohnnyRotten wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 20:45:
ASeven wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:12:
Beamer wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:03:
Fair enough.
But, again, unlike you, I don't spend every waking hour compiling an obsessive, massive list of these things.

Seriously, you just pulled those up in about 5 minutes.
Does this not seem unhealthy to you? How angry you are?

At this point your agenda is pretty obvious and I don't think I owe you any explanation, it doesn't make any difference. You stick to your own circular logic and refuse to move out of it. Just FYI, this info is easily found using google in a minute.

Also, love your passive-aggressive ad-hominem there. Weren't you taught to avoid that in any discussion in law school?

He's not a lawyer. He's claimed to be about a dozen things to position himself as the subject matter expert de facto on everything until I called him out on it years ago on the old forum. Then he just stuck with his last lie.

That's all you need to know about his credibility on any subject.

This is a fun road to go down again. You are right, I am not currently a lawyer. There's a nice "retired" next to my name on the ABA website. Or wherever the hell those things are kept. I've never lied here about my occupation nor my schooling. Schooling, in particular, isn't necessarily useful for credibility, what with degrees being damn near given away. Feel free to go through my history and confirm the timeline works out, but let's not do it in this thread.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
126. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 19:25 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:47:
Agent.X7 wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 15:24:
Lead by example. If you think games are sexist, makes games you think are not sexist. Put up or shut up.


"If you don't like X, go make your own X" is not a valid response to criticism. Such an argument can be used to invalidate ALL criticism for all topics. Critics do not need to be able to go produce an alternative in order to be legitimate critics. You need to engage with critics on their arguments and provide alternatives, not summarily dismiss them.

Roger Ebert was one of the best movie critics of all time. He was not a particularly gifted filmmaker.

Regardless, as has been shown very often, it's difficult for a woman to get into making games, and difficult for them to stay. This tends to be a factor in why so few women do it. Getting the experience and funding to make your own game is difficult without a track record of making your own game.
 
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News Comments > Saints Row: Gat Out of Hell Announced
13. Re: Saints Row: Gat Out of Hell Announced Aug 29, 2014, 19:23 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 19:02:
I still like SR3 the best. Zany wackiness with just enough grounding in reality.

Absolutely agree. Well, mostly. Deciding to kill Gat was idiotic and short sighted. Gat was a huge part of what made the games fun. Thankfully far from the only part.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
122. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 18:47 Beamer
 
Sho wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:39:
Julio wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:27:
Beamer wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:22:
No. Jesus man, no they do not want to tell you what gaming content you can play. They're trying to get gaming content to not fit the same patterns over and over and over.

So she's ok with gaming content about hookers, in-game killing of both women and men etc? That seems a little different than what other posters have said and I've seen attributed to her. Now of course that's not necessarily what game content I want to play, but I want the freedom to play that if I wanted to.

No, I think Beamer might actually be a bit off the mark there (but this is exactly the type of discussion I'd like to see).

As I understand Sarkeesian, her primary point in conclusion to these things is that games are a mass medium now, and that the types of stories we chose to tell in games have consequences for real-life society to some degree. For example, she's saying that if violence against women in games is portrayed as incidental or an unchangable given (and her examples aren't about shitting on specific games, they're about explaining why certain gameplay elements amount out to such things mechanically), it might make real-world society more willing to accept it as a fact of life, or trivialize the degree to which it actually happens out there. The fact that you do end up seeing exactly this used as an argument against her ("but it really is that way, so what's the big deal?") ironically proves her point to some degree. But of course it's an incredibly complex issue and she makes a lot of assumptions that deserve testing.

Anyway, so she's saying that games should be more responsible and make sure if they e.g. portray violence against hookers, that depiction is in some way actually related to what the game is about, or that those hookers are more fully realized as characters than a 10-line game script that implements one specific trivial interaction and nothing more.

So I'm not sure Sarkeesian would actually be satisfied with "just more variety". So that's where independent thinking can follow. Personally, if I understand her right, I don't agree with the extent to which she goes, but I agree that "more variety" would be a positive development and make games more interesting.

I think that's exactly what I said. She doesn't want to get rid of all hookers in games, but she wants people to think about whether they belong in the game or are there for the sake of being there, and whether they (or at least some women) are characters rather than targets.

It isn't about taking away anyone's toys, it's about being more responsible about how we use them.

In any case, I think Julio is a big free market guy. This is just an example of the market doing some deciding. He complains about freedom, but freedom doesn't come into this. She isn't trying to get anyone banned, jailed, or prevented from making games. She's trying to get them to think about what they're doing as a bigger picture.
 
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News Comments > Op Ed
118. Re: Op Ed Aug 29, 2014, 18:36 Beamer
 
Julio wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:32:
Beamer wrote on Aug 29, 2014, 18:30:
And she doesn't have a problem with hookers in games, she has a problem with the vast majority of games having hookers.

Do you see how you're deliberately ignoring the nuance of the argument? It's like someone saying they don't like Reese's Peanut Butter cups and you being angry that they're trying to take peanut butter from you.

But I like both my Reese's Peanut Butter cups and my peanut butter. She can't have either. I'd like the freedom for all games to have optional hookers.

Oh jesus, you're making this about freedom?
No one is saying that people that put hookers in games should go to jail. She isn't even saying games shouldn't have hookers. She's saying that they shouldn't have hookers just for the sake of having hookers. If it adds nothing to the game, it shouldn't be there. And hookers probably shouldn't be the only women in the game.

But, if the game has hookers and the hookers make sense and there are actual female characters, hooker or otherwise, then carry on.


I don't think you understand the difference between changing a trend and stopping something altogether. I don't think this is as black and white to Anita as it is to you. And if you stopped seeing it that way maybe you'd be less angry.
 
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