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News Comments > etc., etc.
5. Re: etc., etc. Oct 30, 2014, 20:22 Beamer
 
dubfanatic wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 20:18:
Beamer wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 18:41:
It's hard to fault her on blaming the Seattle shooting on misogyny. Early reports, and the twitter feeds of those involved, make it look like he killed a girl because she wouldn't be with him.

Yep, misogyny. Not untreated mental illness, not a product of a degenerate culture that glorifies violence and hyper-individuality. It's definitely misogyny. Rolleyes

Those are factors of both the shooting and misogyny, but shooting a woman because she won't be yours is absolutely misogyny.

Same with the California shootings. I know Milo Breitbart said it was due to video games, not misogyny, but shooting women because they won't have sex with you; having such a feeling of entitlement to their bodies that they deserve to die for not allowing you access to it, is misogyny, your eyeroll emoticon or not.
 
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2. Re: etc., etc. Oct 30, 2014, 18:41 Beamer
 
It's hard to fault her on blaming the Seattle shooting on misogyny. Early reports, and the twitter feeds of those involved, make it look like he killed a girl because she wouldn't be with him.  
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29. Re: etc. Oct 30, 2014, 13:39 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:48:
Those, obviously, are extremes. But just because you have people of X type in your organization doesn't mean your organization is beneficial to X type.

No, but it is a clear indication that those type X people in the group don't find your organization harmful to them, which is compelling evidence that it may not be. No offense, but I would take the word of a women who says being affiliated with Gamergate isn't harmful to women over the words of a guy who is vehemently anti-GG and more importantly isn't, ya know, a woman.

The amount of women I have seen posting pro-GG stuff clearly indicates that they aren't even close to the Nazi-loving Jews you mention. You seem to be going to great lengths in trying to dismiss the women in the group, which sounds kind of sexist to me.

Your points are entirely valid, but one sided. You're listening only to the women that you want to, right? That are saying what you want to hear? There are women everywhere, on any viewpoint related to this.
Which, of course, you can say to me. But I'd argue that more women fall onto one side and those women are being more honest about the more general experiences of being a woman rather than the specific individual experiences they've had.

You should take the word of a woman over mine. But I believe you're ignoring the word of more women to take the word of that one.

Also, like I said, the nazi/jew/slavery stuff was an extreme. It's obviously not what's going on here, to that extent, it's just the extreme example of how people end up believing things.

Lastly, for all the talk of third wave feminism believing that people are brainwashed, it's certainly true that institutionalized discrimination leads people to think that status quo is normal and acceptable and that there's no reason for change.
 
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28. Re: etc. Oct 30, 2014, 13:36 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:41:
Prez wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:32:
And, still, it amuses me that people keep pointing out all the women and minorities in Gamergate as evidence that it isn't just white men and therefore not racist or misogynist, yet the same people use #notmyshield. They're literally trotting out non-white people as shields!

Doesn't the existence of women (and there are more than just a few) actually prove that it isn't just men? And from what I've seen, the overall movement (the non-sensationalist part that the media ignores but makes up the vast majority of the movement) is in no way misogynist or racist.

And for the record I have never even mentioned "Not My Shield", nor do I intend to.

I do find it funny that Beamer mentioned the #NotYourShield thing. Apparently, when some other group or movement tries to claim you or make you into a victim to lend legitimacy to their cause, speaking up for yourself and saying "I'm not part of your cause, thanks. I support your opponents." is hypocritical and merely a way to shield cis white males, rather than someone speaking up for themselves.

It's a no-win situation. Stay quiet and be used as a shield. Speak up, be accused of being a token, shield, or shill for the other side.

It's not no-win. Just don't use a hashtag bragging about not using people as evidence of something when you're using people as evidence of something.
 
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17. Re: Tim Cook: Oct 30, 2014, 13:34 Beamer
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 13:20:
Beamer wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:50:
You don't think it's important, because you've never been gay...

You know my sexuality? We're friends? We hang out? You're part of my life? Kindly don't try to tell someone what their personal interests are or are not.

I don't think it's important because, quite frankly, it just isn't. This isn't 1954 and there is more social acceptance than ever. We have openly gay entertainers, political figures, business people, teachers, name any profession you wish...gay folk doing the job competently and adroitly as any other person with a differing sexual orientation. In the last three years alone, we've seen a massive shift in the amount of states that allow marriages between same sex couples and even the Supreme Court has been overturning state laws that are narrowly defining marriages or outright trying to ban same sex marriages. When DOMA was being shat out in 1996, then being gay was important. When it was ruled wildly unconstitutional last year, it shifted the political and social landscape to being about the equitable application of law to all people, not merely a select, approved class.

Outside of people who want to make it an issue, telling someone you're gay is about as shocking as telling them you like watching The Walking Dead.

Beamer wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:50:
And if it's so unimportant to you, why are you the one posting about it the most?

Because I want Tim Cook to spend far more time continuing to make my portfolio wealthy, and innovating to make that portfolio even more wealthy, and less time writing fluff articles.

Now, do you plan to post something meaningful or continue on with this false dilemma chest thumping?

It's not 1954. It's also not an area of full equality, and more leaders coming out like this will help advance equality. You seem less concerned with him writing an essay and more concerned with implying we have parity and equality, which is kind of laughable.

Which political figures are openly gay?
 
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13. Re: Tim Cook: Oct 30, 2014, 12:50 Beamer
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:46:
Beamer wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:43:
Except, you know, there are still 29 states in this country in which you can be fired for being gay...

Would those be Right to Work states? If so, being fired for being gay is a non-issue as termination can happen for no or any specified reason whatsoever and it's completely legal. Don't like it? Have the citizens of those states repeal the laws or pass amendments to them.

So, you know, it's still silly to come out and say "I'm gay" as it is unimportant.

It's not unimportant, though.
How many openly gay Fortune 500 CEOs are there?

You don't think it's important, because you've never been gay and had to stress over how that being out in the air would negatively impact your life, your relationships, and your opportunities.

It's nice that you're here saying "it doesn't matter," but to a very large amount of straight people and to nearly every gay person, it does matter, one way or another.

And if it's so unimportant to you, why are you the one posting about it the most?
 
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9. Re: Tim Cook: Oct 30, 2014, 12:43 Beamer
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:25:
So now the whole world knows that you like dick, Tim. Who fucking cares. This is 2014. Being gay is about as revealing and controversial as having blonde hair.

Except, you know, there are still 29 states in this country in which you can be fired for being gay (it's a bit more complicated than that, but only 21 states have blanket protection laws, and 19 have none at all), and Tim Cook felt the need to go this far before coming out of the closet out of concerns for what it would do to his career.
 
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17. Re: etc. Oct 30, 2014, 12:39 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:32:
And, still, it amuses me that people keep pointing out all the women and minorities in Gamergate as evidence that it isn't just white men and therefore not racist or misogynist, yet the same people use #notmyshield. They're literally trotting out non-white people as shields!

Doesn't the existence of women (and there are more than just a few) actually prove that it isn't just men? And from what I've seen, the overall movement (the non-sensationalist part that the media ignores but makes up the vast majority of the movement) is in no way misogynist or racist.

And for the record I have never even mentioned "Not My Shield", nor do I intend to.

No one is saying it's solely men. There's ample evidence contrary to that.
What people are saying is that it's predominantly men, to the point that it is effectively just men, and even those not just men are paroting standard MRA talking points. There are plenty of women that think MRA is fine - Christine Sommers Hoff being chief among them.

I mean, this is taking to an extreme, but it isn't uncommon. There has been enormous amounts of coverage during the current Kentucky Congressional Race about people living in the extreme rural/mountain poverty in the middle of the state voting for candidates that run on a platform of decreasing the benefits they need to survive. There is plenty of documentation about slaves that supported slavery, or jews that supported nazis.

Those, obviously, are extremes. But just because you have people of X type in your organization doesn't mean your organization is beneficial to X type.
 
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15. Re: etc. Oct 30, 2014, 12:34 Beamer
 
An editorial on The Verge declares Gamergate dead. For those of you that fail to understand nuance, this does not mean it's 100% over ["X is dead" never does], nor is The Verge as a whole declaring this [an editorial by a senior editor is not the same as an entire publication saying something.]

However, he makes good points:
1) Gamergate has never gained any traction outside its small group of believers
2) There have been plenty of people screaming "ethics!" yet no one pointing out a single ethical violation
3) Yet there is absolutely an ethical issue
4) Gamergate needs to die, because it was never focused and never made sense
5) Hopefully something intelligent can come from this that is more organized and actually focused on journalism ethics rather than constantly sidetracked with "social issues are contray to journalism ethics!" which is untrue, or simply devolving into harassment
 
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13. Re: etc. Oct 30, 2014, 12:26 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:23:
UHD wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:16:
ASeven wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:07:
One more real feminist writes in defense of GamerGate.

"Real feminists agree with me."

I don't know if she is actually a feminist, but she makes an interesting point:

...With few exceptions, GamerGate has been portrayed as a group of aggrieved white straight males who don’t want women, gays, and minorities on their turf—even though female, gay, transgender, and minority gamers are among the movement’s most passionate supporters.

They're among the supporters, but you can find plenty of people that are against things that benefit them. For instance, Milo Breitbart has written anti-gay articles but identifies himself as "90% gay," and he's written anti-semetical articles yet identifies himself as "jewish," though he's never offered evidence of it.

Virtually every movement has people that are against it despite being the type of person the movement claims to benefit.

And, still, it amuses me that people keep pointing out all the women and minorities in Gamergate as evidence that it isn't just white men and therefore not racist or misogynist, yet the same people use #notmyshield. They're literally trotting out non-white people as shields!
 
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11. Re: etc. Oct 30, 2014, 12:20 Beamer
 
ASeven wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:07:
One more real feminist writes in defense of GamerGate.

"The feminism of male demonization and female victimhood has become an insidious force that, despite its faux-progressive trappings, stands in the way of genuine equality. Whatever its flaws, GamerGate is a politically diverse movement of cultural resistance to this brand of toxic feminism. For that, it deserves at least two cheers."

Jesus, stop saying "real" when someone agrees with you. It's baffling. And, in your terms, "intellectually dishonest."


Nice avoidance of how much you supported Colbert and now are realizing you were wrong.
And nice avoidance of getting called on spreading misinformation about Sarkeesian supporting #cancelcolbert. I'm guessing it's because she used the hashtag, which I'd hope #gamergate proves is used by anyone in a discussion, not just those supporting the cause.

I mean, hell, nothing in her post condemns Colbert, nor does the article she links to condemn Colbert. It condemsn the asswipes making racist and misogynist attacks.
If anything, it's right in line with every single thing she's ever done.

However, it's entertaining to think that many of the people that flipped out over someone trying to censor Colbert for saying something they didn't like are now emailing sponsors trying to censor Gawker and Gamasutra for saying things they didn't like.
 
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12. Re: Evening Patches Oct 30, 2014, 12:14 Beamer
 
I don't entirely get the backlash against the aspect ration.

I mean, I get why people complain about FOV. FOV is very regularly due to shoddy ports and lazy devs.
But aspect ratio? That's a very deliberate artistic choice.

If we're to take games as art, how are we supposed to overrule the artistic decisions? It's like people that watch movies set to fill their TV instead of letterboxed - you lose details and you don't get the presentation a director carefully chose.

I will never play this game, so it's not like this is coming from experience with the game or any real interest in the game. But the huge backlash and attempts to overrule an artistic decision so deliberately made seems to undermine much of the "games are art" discussion to me.
 
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7. Re: etc. Oct 30, 2014, 11:55 Beamer
 
ASeven wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 11:36:
Fun fact: Anita supported #CancelColbert. The creator of #CancelColbert is not pleased.

Ug.
That isn't supporting #cancelcolbert, that's saying that the response to #cancelcolbert was inappropriately misogynist. Rather than attack the message, they attacked the ethnicity and gender of the person.

I'm not surprised nuance is lost on you, considering you thought Colbert was on the side of #gamergate, meaning you do not understand his act nor do you understand the reference to Separate but Equal. Not to mention you, and many like you, misunderstood the nuance of "gamers are dead" and launched this entire angry childish tirade about how gamers aren't angry children in response to a series of articles saying that gamers aren't angry children.
 
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64. Re: etc., etc. Oct 30, 2014, 11:07 Beamer
 
I mean, for godsake, he made a joke about "separate but equal."
ASeven, do you know what that term means? The history behind it?

In any case, considering she's named, what, dozens or hundreds of games in however many videos she's made, you guys really think she'd struggle to name 3?

You're grasping straws. Seriously, someone saying the answer is "separate but equal" is in on a joke that's going over your head.
 
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63. Re: etc., etc. Oct 30, 2014, 10:52 Beamer
 
ASeven wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 09:08:
nin wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 09:06:
ASeven wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 04:38:
I enjoyed it a lot. Did you?

Seems fair. He said "some gamers" not "gamers" describing the harassment. And when he specifically asked for for examples, all she could come up with was GTA, before sidestepping and going back on message.

Whereas she says gamersgate is about "terrorizing women", and dismissing any view besides the one that furthers her own agenda/promotion.


Yeah, Colbert dismantled her quite well, he did his research and called her to provide facts to sustain her argument and she couldn't, at all.

Here is the clip.

You understand Colbert's schtick, right?
I'm not certain you do.

In any case, I think the enormous, large cheer that came up at the joke about gamers being virgins in basements just proves how wonderfully this entire thing, which ironically started in anger over people saying that stereotype is dead, has completely and totally enforced that stereotype.

Again:
"Gamers are Dead": The stereotype of gamers being angry male virgins in basements isn't true
Gamergate: FUCK YOU THAT ISN'T TRUE [proceeds to get angry and say awful things]
Society at Large: Wow, gamers really are a bunch of angry male virgins to be acting like this, huh?
 
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11. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2014, 20:41 Beamer
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 20:32:
Beamer wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 17:39:
Quboid wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 17:32:
The Verge article

That's really creepy. No one is going to read this site are they?

(Beamer, shouldn't you be automatically defending Verizon? Could it be that you actually look at issues from both sides and give an honest opinion?!)

I'd actually say I'm one of the few around here that usually looks at things from both sides. What people see as me defending something is usually just me trying to talk someone down from "OMG THEY'RE EVIL TRYING TO RAPE OUR CHILDREN AND STEAL ALL OUR UNDERPANTS!"

What's wrong with stealing underpants.. wouldn't you be glad if yours were to.. disappear? ;p

(seriously, how could I resist that.... )

As I write this, I realize if I were to parody your uppercase part completely I'd have to write something quite offensive

So you see, look at both sides of an argument isn't always such a good idea....

It's not so much looking at both sides and falling in the middle, it's understanding that there is another side and it isn't just EA/Microsoft/Apple/Google/Whatever is totally evil and run by sociopath marketing people trying to steal your brainwaves.

Sometimes the lack of understanding or quickness to exaggerate here reads like those people making Chemtrail videos on YouTube.
 
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50. Re: etc., etc. Oct 29, 2014, 19:29 Beamer
 
So, uh... it may be a good idea for most of this board to make a point of not watching Colbert tonight.

Though I'm fairly certain many here make that point every night.
 
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9. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2014, 17:39 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 17:32:
The Verge article

That's really creepy. No one is going to read this site are they?

(Beamer, shouldn't you be automatically defending Verizon? Could it be that you actually look at issues from both sides and give an honest opinion?!)

I'd actually say I'm one of the few around here that usually looks at things from both sides. What people see as me defending something is usually just me trying to talk someone down from "OMG THEY'RE EVIL TRYING TO RAPE OUR CHILDREN AND STEAL ALL OUR UNDERPANTS!"
 
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43. Re: etc., etc. Oct 29, 2014, 12:53 Beamer
 
beremot wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 12:19:
It's hopeless. I said it once before, I will say it again: you need to find a better place to hang out.

Beremot, signing off.

I don't think there are any better places to discuss games. I think the level of conversation here has gotten all around worse as people get more and more disillusioned and more willing to throw out a sarcastic one-off rather than either giving thought to something or just ignoring it, but for the most part this board is solid. Posters like Prez, Verno, NKD, Creston, nin, ScottisMarshalArtist, UHD, Jerykk, Batman, and I'm forgetting a ton, but it's all people with great opinions on games. And, I think, half ignoring me, but that's neither here nor there.
 
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6. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2014, 12:29 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 11:44:
That Verizon thing is so hilariously dystopian.

Start a news site, but then stipulate that you cannot write anything AT ALL about a subject that your company is wrong on. It's genius because they are going to spin it like "Well, we have an inherent interest in those stories, so we ban them to avoid conflict of interest." Except that their interest in those stories is making them disappear or downplaying their importance, so avoiding them entirely is in fact perpetuating that conflict of interest.


The Verge tore it apart. It was vicious.
Sadly, the comments were often defending Verizon by saying "Comcast invests in you," ignoring the difference between investing and owning/controlling.
 
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