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News Comments > etc.
15. Re: etc. Oct 30, 2014, 12:34 Beamer
 
An editorial on The Verge declares Gamergate dead. For those of you that fail to understand nuance, this does not mean it's 100% over ["X is dead" never does], nor is The Verge as a whole declaring this [an editorial by a senior editor is not the same as an entire publication saying something.]

However, he makes good points:
1) Gamergate has never gained any traction outside its small group of believers
2) There have been plenty of people screaming "ethics!" yet no one pointing out a single ethical violation
3) Yet there is absolutely an ethical issue
4) Gamergate needs to die, because it was never focused and never made sense
5) Hopefully something intelligent can come from this that is more organized and actually focused on journalism ethics rather than constantly sidetracked with "social issues are contray to journalism ethics!" which is untrue, or simply devolving into harassment
 
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News Comments > etc.
13. Re: etc. Oct 30, 2014, 12:26 Beamer
 
Prez wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:23:
UHD wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:16:
ASeven wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:07:
One more real feminist writes in defense of GamerGate.

"Real feminists agree with me."

I don't know if she is actually a feminist, but she makes an interesting point:

...With few exceptions, GamerGate has been portrayed as a group of aggrieved white straight males who don’t want women, gays, and minorities on their turf—even though female, gay, transgender, and minority gamers are among the movement’s most passionate supporters.

They're among the supporters, but you can find plenty of people that are against things that benefit them. For instance, Milo Breitbart has written anti-gay articles but identifies himself as "90% gay," and he's written anti-semetical articles yet identifies himself as "jewish," though he's never offered evidence of it.

Virtually every movement has people that are against it despite being the type of person the movement claims to benefit.

And, still, it amuses me that people keep pointing out all the women and minorities in Gamergate as evidence that it isn't just white men and therefore not racist or misogynist, yet the same people use #notmyshield. They're literally trotting out non-white people as shields!
 
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News Comments > etc.
11. Re: etc. Oct 30, 2014, 12:20 Beamer
 
ASeven wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 12:07:
One more real feminist writes in defense of GamerGate.

"The feminism of male demonization and female victimhood has become an insidious force that, despite its faux-progressive trappings, stands in the way of genuine equality. Whatever its flaws, GamerGate is a politically diverse movement of cultural resistance to this brand of toxic feminism. For that, it deserves at least two cheers."

Jesus, stop saying "real" when someone agrees with you. It's baffling. And, in your terms, "intellectually dishonest."


Nice avoidance of how much you supported Colbert and now are realizing you were wrong.
And nice avoidance of getting called on spreading misinformation about Sarkeesian supporting #cancelcolbert. I'm guessing it's because she used the hashtag, which I'd hope #gamergate proves is used by anyone in a discussion, not just those supporting the cause.

I mean, hell, nothing in her post condemns Colbert, nor does the article she links to condemn Colbert. It condemsn the asswipes making racist and misogynist attacks.
If anything, it's right in line with every single thing she's ever done.

However, it's entertaining to think that many of the people that flipped out over someone trying to censor Colbert for saying something they didn't like are now emailing sponsors trying to censor Gawker and Gamasutra for saying things they didn't like.
 
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News Comments > Evening Patches
12. Re: Evening Patches Oct 30, 2014, 12:14 Beamer
 
I don't entirely get the backlash against the aspect ration.

I mean, I get why people complain about FOV. FOV is very regularly due to shoddy ports and lazy devs.
But aspect ratio? That's a very deliberate artistic choice.

If we're to take games as art, how are we supposed to overrule the artistic decisions? It's like people that watch movies set to fill their TV instead of letterboxed - you lose details and you don't get the presentation a director carefully chose.

I will never play this game, so it's not like this is coming from experience with the game or any real interest in the game. But the huge backlash and attempts to overrule an artistic decision so deliberately made seems to undermine much of the "games are art" discussion to me.
 
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News Comments > etc.
7. Re: etc. Oct 30, 2014, 11:55 Beamer
 
ASeven wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 11:36:
Fun fact: Anita supported #CancelColbert. The creator of #CancelColbert is not pleased.

Ug.
That isn't supporting #cancelcolbert, that's saying that the response to #cancelcolbert was inappropriately misogynist. Rather than attack the message, they attacked the ethnicity and gender of the person.

I'm not surprised nuance is lost on you, considering you thought Colbert was on the side of #gamergate, meaning you do not understand his act nor do you understand the reference to Separate but Equal. Not to mention you, and many like you, misunderstood the nuance of "gamers are dead" and launched this entire angry childish tirade about how gamers aren't angry children in response to a series of articles saying that gamers aren't angry children.
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
64. Re: etc., etc. Oct 30, 2014, 11:07 Beamer
 
I mean, for godsake, he made a joke about "separate but equal."
ASeven, do you know what that term means? The history behind it?

In any case, considering she's named, what, dozens or hundreds of games in however many videos she's made, you guys really think she'd struggle to name 3?

You're grasping straws. Seriously, someone saying the answer is "separate but equal" is in on a joke that's going over your head.
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
63. Re: etc., etc. Oct 30, 2014, 10:52 Beamer
 
ASeven wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 09:08:
nin wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 09:06:
ASeven wrote on Oct 30, 2014, 04:38:
I enjoyed it a lot. Did you?

Seems fair. He said "some gamers" not "gamers" describing the harassment. And when he specifically asked for for examples, all she could come up with was GTA, before sidestepping and going back on message.

Whereas she says gamersgate is about "terrorizing women", and dismissing any view besides the one that furthers her own agenda/promotion.


Yeah, Colbert dismantled her quite well, he did his research and called her to provide facts to sustain her argument and she couldn't, at all.

Here is the clip.

You understand Colbert's schtick, right?
I'm not certain you do.

In any case, I think the enormous, large cheer that came up at the joke about gamers being virgins in basements just proves how wonderfully this entire thing, which ironically started in anger over people saying that stereotype is dead, has completely and totally enforced that stereotype.

Again:
"Gamers are Dead": The stereotype of gamers being angry male virgins in basements isn't true
Gamergate: FUCK YOU THAT ISN'T TRUE [proceeds to get angry and say awful things]
Society at Large: Wow, gamers really are a bunch of angry male virgins to be acting like this, huh?
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
11. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2014, 20:41 Beamer
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 20:32:
Beamer wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 17:39:
Quboid wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 17:32:
The Verge article

That's really creepy. No one is going to read this site are they?

(Beamer, shouldn't you be automatically defending Verizon? Could it be that you actually look at issues from both sides and give an honest opinion?!)

I'd actually say I'm one of the few around here that usually looks at things from both sides. What people see as me defending something is usually just me trying to talk someone down from "OMG THEY'RE EVIL TRYING TO RAPE OUR CHILDREN AND STEAL ALL OUR UNDERPANTS!"

What's wrong with stealing underpants.. wouldn't you be glad if yours were to.. disappear? ;p

(seriously, how could I resist that.... )

As I write this, I realize if I were to parody your uppercase part completely I'd have to write something quite offensive

So you see, look at both sides of an argument isn't always such a good idea....

It's not so much looking at both sides and falling in the middle, it's understanding that there is another side and it isn't just EA/Microsoft/Apple/Google/Whatever is totally evil and run by sociopath marketing people trying to steal your brainwaves.

Sometimes the lack of understanding or quickness to exaggerate here reads like those people making Chemtrail videos on YouTube.
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
50. Re: etc., etc. Oct 29, 2014, 19:29 Beamer
 
So, uh... it may be a good idea for most of this board to make a point of not watching Colbert tonight.

Though I'm fairly certain many here make that point every night.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
9. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2014, 17:39 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 17:32:
The Verge article

That's really creepy. No one is going to read this site are they?

(Beamer, shouldn't you be automatically defending Verizon? Could it be that you actually look at issues from both sides and give an honest opinion?!)

I'd actually say I'm one of the few around here that usually looks at things from both sides. What people see as me defending something is usually just me trying to talk someone down from "OMG THEY'RE EVIL TRYING TO RAPE OUR CHILDREN AND STEAL ALL OUR UNDERPANTS!"
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
43. Re: etc., etc. Oct 29, 2014, 12:53 Beamer
 
beremot wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 12:19:
It's hopeless. I said it once before, I will say it again: you need to find a better place to hang out.

Beremot, signing off.

I don't think there are any better places to discuss games. I think the level of conversation here has gotten all around worse as people get more and more disillusioned and more willing to throw out a sarcastic one-off rather than either giving thought to something or just ignoring it, but for the most part this board is solid. Posters like Prez, Verno, NKD, Creston, nin, ScottisMarshalArtist, UHD, Jerykk, Batman, and I'm forgetting a ton, but it's all people with great opinions on games. And, I think, half ignoring me, but that's neither here nor there.
 
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News Comments > Morning Metaverse
6. Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 29, 2014, 12:29 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 11:44:
That Verizon thing is so hilariously dystopian.

Start a news site, but then stipulate that you cannot write anything AT ALL about a subject that your company is wrong on. It's genius because they are going to spin it like "Well, we have an inherent interest in those stories, so we ban them to avoid conflict of interest." Except that their interest in those stories is making them disappear or downplaying their importance, so avoiding them entirely is in fact perpetuating that conflict of interest.


The Verge tore it apart. It was vicious.
Sadly, the comments were often defending Verizon by saying "Comcast invests in you," ignoring the difference between investing and owning/controlling.
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
38. Re: etc., etc. Oct 29, 2014, 11:08 Beamer
 
Anyway, I'm going to go back to Jimmy Wales intelligent You've Lost the PR War comment, in which people dance circles trying to say they need to keep #gamergate.

Why, even here, are people so attached to the name?

It does not mean "journalism ethics" to anyone but a small group of gamers. Let's assume even just 1% of Gamergate supporters subscribe to the KotakuInAction subreddit. That means that there are under 2 million Gamergate supporters. GTAV sold 11 million copies in 24 hours.
You aren't even the majority of gamers.
To many other gamers, maybe not most but many, it's about harassing women
To many developers, virtually every single one that's come out and spoken, it's about harassing women
To the mainstream media, it's about harassing women
To non-mainstream media, it's about harassing women

And this is expected, right?
To date nothing has been accomplished around video game ethics journalism. Gamasutra lost a sponsor for something not related to ethics, and Gawker lost a sponsor (well, in Australia) for something not related to video games.

This thing was born out of what has amounted to nothing more than slut-shaming, and that feels legit. No one Zoe Quinn was connected to reviewed her game or dealt with it much, no one Zoe Quinn was connected to has been harassed much, and hell, outside of Nathan Grayson no one even remembers who the other guys were. But everyone remembers Zoe Quinn and has nasty things to say about her.

And yes, many Gamergaters say they do not support the violence and threats. But here's the thing: you refuse to distance yourself from it. You keep using the name. The name that, to everyone else, means "violence against women." And people refuse to denounce it. Even here, it ultimately is just "men get threats, too!" Which is not denouncing or distancing but shrugging shoulders and accepting.

If this is about journalism ethics, truly about it, and you have no pride or enjoyment from the "SJW" harassment, how about not using a vague name that could stand for anything and, outside of a small few, stands for harassing women.
How about, you know, #journalismethics. It's straight to the point. It's impossible to confuse. It is much harder for others to co-op and much easier for you to deny is intrinsically tied to any harassment people do in trying to co-op it. It makes it very clear what you are fighting for.

But, for some reason, people refuse to abandon a name very heavily steeped in and tained with harassment of women.
And then they wonder why, to the outside person, it's seen as being that and their refusal to change is seen as being less due to #gamergate having a nice ring and more being due to them actually supporting what is being done and disliking those being targeted. Which, frankly, is how most people see the desperate clinging to the name.
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
37. Re: etc., etc. Oct 29, 2014, 11:00 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 10:54:
TheVocalMinority wrote on Oct 29, 2014, 08:40:

Using that facility to ban people you simply disagree with rather than just trolls and griefers creates a nice echo chamber which doesn't challenge and hence improve your ideas. This is not a good thing.

Normally, I'd agree with you, but when someone ignores points/flees threads when you poke a hole in their reasoning, or simply refuses to see reason altogether, it's a waste of time to respond to them. I gave those individuals ample amounts of my time and didn't even get so much as a reasonable discussion.

So blocking them ensures I don't get goaded into wasting any more time, and I can reply to people who disagree but show interest in honest dialogue. I don't tend to post a lot of one-liners IMHO. If I'm going to spend my time writing a lengthy post I want it to at least lead to an interesting discussion, not round and round in circles with someone.

Just last week you were paying me compliments.
I didn't ignore/flee, these threads are:
a) EVERYWHERE. It's hard to keep up with which ones are which and which ones are active
b) Very time consuming. Exceptionally time consuming. I don't always have the time to come back in and respond. I tend to only open the "etc" threads when I do have time, whereas I can open any thread at any time knowing it won't take 5-10 minutes to read and reply, but the "etc" threads I only do when I have a chunk of time to actually sit and read. Sometimes, by the time that happens, one has fallen so far down I don't even see it

Just last week you were telling me you liked me. One forgotten thread and I'm ignored.
 
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News Comments > etc., etc.
6. Re: etc., etc. Oct 28, 2014, 21:26 Beamer
 
NKD wrote on Oct 28, 2014, 21:16:
Henry Dorsett wrote on Oct 28, 2014, 20:00:
Gamer: "a cis white male who hates women, minorities, or anyone different from himself; especially : a basement-dweller who regularly plays with himself" (Sarkeesian-Gawker Dictionary)

Fixed that for you with the dictionary definition that the gaming press uses.

More like what Breitbart called them.
Again, the whole "gamers are dead" thing was about banishing that stereotype, not enforcing it. It's very sad that the reaction was really, really clustering around it and proving that "Gamers" aren't dead, and the stereotype is still true for many extremely loud people.
 
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News Comments > etc.
8. Re: etc. Oct 28, 2014, 19:56 Beamer
 
Adobe came out making certain people knew it wasn't aligned with #gamergate.

And Jimmy Wales makes a few good points here.
From "almost every gamergate supporter I've talked to has been abusive to me" to "change the name... you don't own it, the misogynists do. That is the reality."

It's fun to see people squirm, as they do here, to say the name is clean, there's a conspiracy against it, there's no need to change the name, etc.
But they're wrong. The name is intrinsically tied to misogyny. If you do not like the misogyny, do not use the name. Oddly, everyone claiming to not be for misogyny clings to this name and refuses to disavow it.
 
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News Comments > Evening Tech Bits
14. Re: Evening Tech Bits Oct 28, 2014, 15:45 Beamer
 
BobBob wrote on Oct 28, 2014, 15:20:
harlock wrote on Oct 28, 2014, 06:04:
BobBob wrote on Oct 28, 2014, 02:07:
Lately, I've been reading a lot of 1930's and 40's science fiction --- checked out free from the library.

yeh but youre a senior citizen... people expect those kinds of things from you

I would consider that a compliment if it were true. I find most of the older generation to be hard working, humble, wise and ethical. This new generation has too many whiny, narcissistic, impatient and selfishly spoiled drama queens -- much of it thanks to the short attention span and immediate gratification of social media and skill-less virtual games that require little to no challenge.

Things the old generation gave us:
1) Student loans to cover skyrocketing college tuitions
2) Raided pensions and social security
3) The concept of leverage, and with it businesses that disappear by being excessively leveraged by PE firms
4) In the legal world, lengthier waits to be partner and the new concepts of non-partner track attorneys and non-equity partners
5) A drastic increase in CEO to worker pay
6) And, with it, a drastic increase in wealth inequality
7) Worldcom, Enron, and a large host of companies "restating" earnings
8) A doubling in federal debt share of GDP from 1965 to 2012


The legacy of the boomers is widely discussed, but at this point they're mostly considered to have been given a very successful, thriving country and taken as much out of it and put it into their own pockets as possible. So many articles and books speculating how the Boomers could go from hippies to scorching the Earth with their greed, leaving future generations to figure out how the hell to fix all the economic damage they wrought.
 
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News Comments > Out of the Blue
6. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 28, 2014, 13:19 Beamer
 
Cutter wrote on Oct 28, 2014, 11:43:
It never ceases to amaze me how some people can obsess over the "perfect" cup of coffee. It's all so pretentious.

Yeah, it's so much worse than people here discussing the best computer builds or how to change settings to get an extra 2% fps...
 
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News Comments > etc.
5. Re: etc. Oct 28, 2014, 13:18 Beamer
 
ASeven wrote on Oct 28, 2014, 13:15:
Kellogs has dropped Gawker.

In Australia.

Which is fine, Sam Biddle is a dick and Gawker's network is mostly awful crap.
But this still has not a single thing to do with ethics in gaming journalism. Or gaming journalism. Or ethics.
 
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News Comments > Evening Tech Bits
2. Re: Evening Tech Bits Oct 27, 2014, 21:56 Beamer
 
DangerDog wrote on Oct 27, 2014, 21:50:
could it be that the content of the media sucks?

No, it's that no one wants to buy.
I am working on something at work that I keep stressing will fail for this reason. Who buys anything anymore? I have about a billion DVDs and CDs that I consider albatrosses. I want nothing to do with them. They're a huge hassle to move from apartment to apartment (I tend to last no longer than 18 months in any given place.) I never use them. I never look at them.

And even digital purchases are over. Why would I ever buy an mp3? I have Spotify. Any song I want available immediately for no money at all. Yeah, I hear a commercial every 5 or 6 songs (I think two commercials, as of this month.) But I pay nothing for it. Nothing at all. And Spotify has an enormous selection.

For movies, I use Amazon Prime or Netflix or HBO On Demand or, most frequently, pay $3.99 or $5.99 to watch it On Demand from my cable provider. I rarely repeat watch things, though I once thought I did (and when I have kids I'm sure I will again), so why would I pay more to have something I have to store that will just collect dust?
 
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