ASeven wrote on May 19, 2012, 17:12:

Dades wrote on May 19, 2012, 16:34:

All things considered, the game to me is not better than Diablo 3. It's not even better than Torchlight 1, it's just the same with a larger game area. But what do I know? I'm just a Blizzard shill who can't see how amazingly brilliant Runic is for using 16 year old game design choices. At the very least they have the decency to not charge more than $20 for it.

Anyone who disagrees with your take on the game is obviously accusing you of being a shill, that's totally the same thing

And most of the downsides he mentions for T2 can be easily assigned to D3 as well.

Cutter wrote on May 19, 2012, 18:32:
Thanks euni and Helf. Is it possible one of you guys can just shoot it to me through email? You can do it through my profile here.

And Helf, what's yer Steam id - mine is Cutter. Also, are you and euni in the Blues group? If not you guys should join up with that. And yeah, we'll have to see about getting a group/clan up around these parts for MW! Can't wait for that!!! Booyah!

xXBatmanXx wrote on May 19, 2012, 17:11:
I dont' know how to check for those codes

Cutter wrote on May 19, 2012, 15:57:
I still haven't even seen this game live. Anyone got a spare code they won't use otherwise.

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on May 19, 2012, 01:11:

eunichron wrote on May 18, 2012, 21:51:
That is why I hated Path of Exile so much when I tried the beta. It was everything that was terrible about Diablo 2 without anything new. It was like the developers saw how "different" Diablo 3 was and decided to make a re-imagined Diablo 2, but without the good story and interesting classes, abilities, and enemies. All you're left with is a Skinner box without any veneer to hide the fact that it's a Skinner box (as Diablo [all three of them] has done).

Not that you don't have a point about the D1/2 devs not guaranteeing a good game, but Path of Exile hasn't even introduced the story elements into the game yet. They're still in closed beta and have deliberately left a lot of stuff out so as not to ruin the story for everyone. So passing judgement on that at this point is just nonsensical. Right now it's just basic quests and mechanics in the game.

ASeven wrote on May 18, 2012, 20:43:

shinchan0s wrote on May 18, 2012, 20:15:
I hate to say it, but Torchlight 2's graphics and classes are extremely unappealing. Torchlight felt like Titan's Quest. Too linear, crap skills, no background story. Blizzard's game manuals were chock full of lore - a very underrated aspect of Blizzard's "magic" IMO.

I'll try the stress test, of course, but... I dunno, man, can't get real excited.

I always find these type of comments deliciously ironic because the devs making T2 are the same ones that made D1 and 2, therefore they are the ones that built Diablo as the powerhouse it is today.

ASeven wrote on May 18, 2012, 17:13:
(Coincidence or maybe not?)

sauron wrote on May 18, 2012, 15:09:

eunichron wrote on May 18, 2012, 14:59:
Cartoony, childish, graphics. Bland, trite, skills and skill trees. Unimaginative character classes. Hopefully they've fixed some of that for TL2.

Sounds like WoW, so it should make an enormous profit.

I can see where you're coming from though. Most of the time, I too go for deep, immersive RPGs with realistic graphics. But some of the time, TL just fits the bill perfectly. I have no idea why.

deqer wrote on May 18, 2012, 10:58:
It's a beautiful moddable DRM-less offline singleplayer/multiplayer/lan actionrpg game made by Runic Games(the true makers of Diablo II) that maintains all the traditional systems of the classic diablo series games--including the music--for 1/3 of the price.

It's different than Diablo 3.
- Diablo 3 is online only(lol?), and costs 3x more $
- Diablo 3 is not moddable(lol?)
- Diablo 3 requires you setup a global Battle.net account.
- Diablo 3 is being leased to you. You don't own it.
- Diablo 3 is not forever, because you don't own it.
- Diablo 3 does not maintain several traditional systems(for ARPGs). It has no skill or stat points, has a completely different skill system, and multiple other differences from traditional ARPGs.
- Diablo 3 is by Blizzard--the future of Game Leasing.(lol?)

Duh?

Rattlehead wrote on May 18, 2012, 11:35:
I enjoy Diablo 3 and will enjoy Torchlight 2. Stick that in your pipe and smoke. It's weird how you can enjoy both games without turning it into a pissing contest.

I hate all of you.

Jerykk wrote on May 16, 2012, 22:11:
I think the biggest issue with the current system is that it doesn't really have longevity. Once you've unlocked everything for any given class, there's not much else you can do with that class. However, if they switched to a LoL-style upgrade system where you could mix and match upgrades as you saw fit, there would be a lot more flexibility and lot more variety in builds. They have the right idea with the perk system (except for the fact that you can upgrade perks) and they just need to extend that idea to the armor, weapon and item upgrades.

KTR wrote on May 16, 2012, 00:39:

eunichron wrote on May 16, 2012, 00:11:
Don't tell me you're buying into that, "We're saving it for a surprise!" BS.

Being that the two other races were available at various press events/gaming conventions...yea, I am buying in to "that."

KTR wrote on May 15, 2012, 23:45:

eunichron wrote on May 15, 2012, 23:26:
As amazing as what they have already is, it's nowhere near done. Half the instances don't work, two of the races aren't even implemented! No way in hell this is being released any time within 2 months.

Uh...you do know that NCsoft is doing that on purpose?!?

PropheT wrote on May 15, 2012, 23:50:

Shok wrote on May 15, 2012, 23:34:
Ok, I'll bite. It is when all I want to play is single player and I'm forced online for inane DRM reasons when a single player component could have been developed in the 12 years between Diablo 2 and 3.

I'd like to stick up for the online-only component because it's trying something different that could be kind of cool... but I can't anymore. There's something about the implementation of it that just isn't working.

The online parts of it are completely integrated into the game, from global chat channels to always-on friend joining to auction houses, but they're so easily ignored that I have to wonder what the point is if someone isn't interested in those things. If you're not using them, they aren't just extraneous...they're actually detrimental to the game. The more I play (or try to play) the more I think that Starcraft 2's usage of the tools was not just better but smarter. I love the game so far, for the most part, but for me personally the online components aren't worth the hassle.

And I just plain don't get the auction house. If you take away the hunt for loot in Diablo 3, I'm not sure I understand the point of playing anymore.

Last Night's Diablo III Debacle Demonstrates The Problem With 'Always-Online' Games.

Somebody was able to apparently log in, level 60 has already been reached.