Good lord, I haven't seen this much negativity toward a game based on a demo since Daikatana!

They already said 100% of their resources will go into Thief 3 after releasing Invisible War. We will never see a significant patch, an SDK, or anything

In the original you had to worry about something called "hack skill" (what does that mean anyway?!? IT'S TOO CONFUSING!) and running out of time when hacking. It was complicated! Now all I do is walk up and press "use" on the pad and I hack it in a matter of seconds, without any sense of danger or threat to my intelligence!

All the crying over this game is amusing. It's not as good as DX1

About it being "less polysyllabic"??!?!?!

Good lord man, at least post a spoiler warning if you don't blank out the text when talking about the ending of a game. Some of us have still not gotten around to finishing the first game (I've been busy).

I think NWN sucked. The third-person view was horrible--you had to zoom in to see any detail; but, if you stayed zoomed in, you could miss something up ahead.

I agree that it makes the interface look like it's on your eye, but more immersive? Now way! In fact it's exactly the opposite; the most immersive games are those that completely minimize or eliminate the interface (like URU).

When is the last time you heard of a design studio come out and say "For our next game we're going to try to make the interface larger, and obscure more of the viewing area with icons"?

As for it fitting their design goals, well I'm sorry but the notion that "It's what Warren Spector wanted to accomplish, therefore it is right/good" doesn't wash with me.

I think it's pretty telling that the more opaque the interface gets, the more acceptable people find it.

Yeah, I can see what you mean about the vision focus. However, while our eyes do function like that (or similar to that) in real life, I don't think its quite right a game.

I kind of think of this as permenent sniper mode. You field of view is more limited (from the centre of the screen to the inside edge of the HUD) and its more or less circular.

Well, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that EVENTUALLY some president was going to go hunt for terrorists, I just don't think that Sheldon Pacotti realised it was going to happen approximately 3 months after his game was released

Go back and replay Deus Ex. You'll be amazed how much of what occurs in the game has occured or at least resembles what has occured in the Post-9/11 world.

and no amount of patching is going to make ToEE any better...its a sad attempt at what '80s era SSI and Bioware already did/are doing much much better.