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75. Re: Battlefield 4 Mantle Update Released Feb 2, 2014, 17:17 ChaosEngine
CJ_Parker wrote on Jan 30, 2014, 16:28:
Dude, one more time: EA has purportedly received US$ 8 million from AMD for implementing Mantle support. They did not do this because they thought it would be cool to do or because they care about gamers. They did this for the $$$.

Utterly irrelevant. It doesn't matter why EA did it, it matters that all future EA games will have Mantle support. Unless you're going to argue that EA games are a tiny piece of the market? Regardless of how you feel about EA (not a fan, myself) the fact is that they produce a big percentage of the most commercially successful games out there.

CJ_Parker wrote on Jan 30, 2014, 16:28:
We all know how much the big publishers care for and love their PC ports, right? What makes you think that anyone -without being handed similar bribes- will voluntarily support Mantle? That won't happen. What might happen is that MS and Sony will specifically start bribing devs to NOT support Mantle on the PC version as they already do when it comes to keeping the quality of PC ports on the lower end of the spectrum.

Did you not understand the bit about AMD chips being in both the XB One and PS4? I don't know if you have any business experience, but as a rule companies do not generally bribe people to make their own products look worse. The quality of PC ports simply isn't relevant to the discussion.

AMD are clearly going to push Mantle onto the consoles (they've already said as much).

CJ_Parker wrote on Jan 30, 2014, 16:28:
Mantle is going to be a total niche that will only be supported by games where AMD coughed up a bribe (like BF4) or by indie/KS developers who want to support Mantle to attract some extra attention to their games.

So, once again... your "tiny niche" includes every new EA game, Star Citizen and probably Thief. Yeah, there's no money there at all. Rolleyes

I don't know if Mantle is the real deal or not. If it really does work like AMD are saying, given that devs are already struggling with the limitations of the new consoles, explain why you wouldn't implement something that gives you performance improvements on most of your target platforms.
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