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34. Re: Full Steam Machines Ahead at CES Jan 6, 2014, 20:43 Beamer
 
HorrorScope wrote on Jan 6, 2014, 19:50:
Beamer wrote on Jan 6, 2014, 19:01:
HorrorScope wrote on Jan 6, 2014, 18:33:
Beamer wrote on Jan 6, 2014, 14:30:
But that doesn't solve the "there are 6 on the shelf, which one do I buy" problem.

You don't have that with consoles. People want either a PS or an Xbox. They then buy. No further questions.

Are you poor? Get the cheap one. Or rich? Get the best one. Or thrifty, then figure it out or ask. There are variations of consoles once they mature people wad through. Capitalists don't have to always be treated like communists. How can a simpleton ever buy a TV with so many out there? A phone? A house? Should they just get the one given because face it, only people on Blue's has a brain and everyone else that we speak for is re-tar-dated.

You act if there can only be a market if mom can figure it out on the spot. Isn't the choice between the Xbox or PS4 a mind blower if you have no idea and haven't been told exactly what to get? That sounds like one too many products to decide upon to me, so it must fail. Man people in general are actually better than that. But if it is too much, then whatever market Steam is making, will be just what it is then. Oh well.

Most people don't fall into "poor or rich." The whole "figure it out or ask" part is where they get lost. Figuring it out isn't fun for most people, and asking requires trusting the person giving you an answer.

How does a simpleton ever buy a TV? Because every TV will play every TV channel, so they primarily go into Walmart and buy the biggest in their budget. That's how they judge - size.
Every Steambox will not play every game, at least not equally, and at some point there will be a cutoff. And there's no one feature, such as size, that can easily be used to compare.

Not really sure how you're comparing 12+ nearly identical devices to 2 very different ones, and I have no clue how you're working capitalism and communism into this (a tangent that really damages any argument you're making), but since you bring up "too many to choose from," you should buy Predictably Irrational by Dan Ariely and read about the "consequence of choice." It's a pretty well studied phenomenon - people are terrible at making choices and, when facing too many, choose to avoid making the choice at all. The famous study was a grocery store putting out a table of jam on two identical days. One day they put out 3 jars. Another day they put out 20. They sold significantly more jam when only 3 were out. Why? Because people can easily choose between 3 things. People cannot easily choose between 20. Although an equal amount tasted the jam each day, fewer people purchased.

When having to choose between nearly identical things that are hard to differentiate, consumers don't buy. And often go to substitutes.

Every Steam machine plays all Steam machine games, like every TV has all channels. It's going to be a while before Mom goes in and buys Johnny a Steam Machine, they'll have to be a huge success for that to happen. But if they do, they can ask. I couldn't really care less if it really sells or not, I doubt they are planning a million sold anytime soon like the consoles.

: Sigh :

Every steam machine won't run every steam game, just like every PC can't run every PC game. At some point, if you're assuming these things will stretch far into the future, there will be a cutoff where System A can run a game but System B is too outdated.



Regardless, stop. Seriously, stop. You're fighting with me as if I'm saying "these are destined to fail, why bother, they suck, everyone involved should burn in hell."

Reread what I said. "This is overly complicated and Valve could have done better." By arguing with that, you're acting as if Valve did everything perfectly.
The other argument I'm making is that this is too confusing for the general consumer, something many people here, and Valve itself, seems to agree with. But the hardcore consumer isn't really foaming at the mouth for a prebuilt box. Which begs the question: who is this for? Are you going to buy one?
 
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