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48. Re: Bungie on Lack of PC Destiny Plans Nov 4, 2013, 16:14 ItBurn
Flatline wrote on Nov 4, 2013, 16:03:
ItBurn wrote on Nov 4, 2013, 15:47:
jdreyer wrote on Nov 4, 2013, 15:42:
ItBurn wrote on Nov 4, 2013, 15:35:
Remove Bioshock infinite(it's the definition of taking something and making it mass market to make more money). Add Star Citizen and other Kickstarter projects(I guess your list is only released games though).

I thought about SC, but it's open to criticism that it's just sucking cash, and also it hasn't come out yet.

Also, Bio Infinite: wow, really? A game that took almost five years to make with a unique setting, great world building, great story telling, and you think this was a mass market cash grab? I think it was an risky venture. The safe move would have been to make Bioshock 3. It would have come out sooner, and they would have had more confidence in it selling more.

Bioshock was built on top of the popularity of System Shock and was nothing like it. They probably wanted to make a new System Shock game, but no publisher would agree to it, so they made this mass market game full of linear corridors and classic Call of Duty gameplay. Granted, the story and art style was above average. The sole existence of this game is because publishers didn't want the awesome game(system shock 3), but were ok with using it as leverage for more money.

As far as Infinite goes, it still has the Bioshock name, so no diff.

Err... No. The System Shock license is stuck in limbo due to Looking Glass Studios going under the way they did. You also are admitting to knowing fuck-all about the development of the original Bioshock and passing off your fuck-all as actual knowledge.

And not to put too fine a point on it, but have you played SS2 lately? It... didn't hold up well. And it's still one of my all-time favorite game experiences. Tissue-paper weapons that break every 8 uses, having to plug massive amounts of XP into research to wield a giant stick, an incredibly clunky inventory system, and other gameplay design elements that aren't as awesome as you remember. Let's not forget the terrible, atrocious, pasted on ending that even the devs admitted was just kind of thrown together last minute ("NAH!!!" *BANG* End of game). And you accuse Call of Duty of being a corridor shooter when literally that's ALL that SS2 was. Lots of corridors and randomly spawning enemies and a piss poor combat system.

System Shock 1 was even worse. Terrible controls, about as intuitive as sanskrit, and the story wasn't as strong as SS2.

This hipster idea that old games that play like shit are somehow superior to games that play smoothly or are fun to play is kind of annoying. God forbid we smooth gameplay out so that it doesn't feel like we're manipulating spreadsheets while we have a great story experience.

Anybody can make a system more complex. It takes real talent though to make something truly simpler and improve on the gaming experience.

I really don't know anything about what happened and didn't claim I did. It was just what I thought "probably" happened. You can't deny my whole point though, that they used the name of a beloved franchise to make a more mass market, simpler game.

I personally hated SS2, but I respect it. Can't say the same for Bioshock.

I'm not asking for complex games for the sake of being complex, but I'm asking for games that at least try. Anyway, I wasn't even going into this debate. My only point was that I didn't think Bioshock should fit in that other guy's list.
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