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32. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Nov 2, 2013, 22:48 Agent.X7
NewMaxx wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 21:24:
Agent.X7 wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 18:46:
And don't get me started on the CIA. Those guys have been royal cockups from the start. Let's put Castro in power! Whoops. Let's train Bin Laden and his Mujaheddin! Whoops. They are basically responsible for almost every terrorist act that has haunted us since WWII.

I suggest people read The Rise and Fall of the British Empire. You'll quickly realize that the US scrambled to assist and eventually take unwanted control over many of the declining colonial states that arose from European imperialism, particularly from our friends in the UK. The two examples you mention are symptomatic of pretty much how the UK (and the French, for that matter) handled colonialism up until the 1960's. The problems that exist today are largely because of those actions, they'd be far worse if the US hadn't stepped in out of necessity due to the Cold War (which Europe essentially begged for).

Seriously, read some history, people. I know it is en vogue to bash the imperial US, despite the fact that the British Empire held a quarter of the world's land and population less than a century ago. They also supported oil interests in Nigeria and royally screwed up Egypt, Iraq, etc., etc. France screwed up Vietnam, etc. The world was a mess before the US even got involved and would be much worse had it been left to anarchy (considering cannibalism was rampant in Africa until colonization, for example).

Is Snowden a traitor? He certainly committed treason - do the ends justify the means? It would be impossible for him to come back to the United States. However, turning again to history, emigres were common throughout the political age and are nothing new. There may come a time when he could return, and even afar he can be influential.

You can disagree with me, but I HAVE read history. A lot of it. And I'm telling you, the CIA is a string of fuckups all throughout history. I can't disagree that most nations that had colonies also fucked over the world. France, Spain, Portugal, Britain - they all exploited and destroyed their fair share.

Don't get me wrong, we have done some good things. Not lately, but in the not so distant past. We just can't expect the world to look at the good things and ignore the bad things. Or rather, we do expect that but shouldn't.
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