When a person parrots a liberal ideology 99.9% of the time, what do you expect people to think their leanings are? Conservative?
Again I need to ask what does it matter? You obviously think it's worth debating them since you've spent many an hour doing so in this and other threads. So how about addressing their own individual argument instead of what you assume it to be because it sounds to you like the "stock liberal argument"? Again it's ironic, because I have to say that in fairness that your argument smacks of jingoism too, but even then I try to absorb what you are saying. If a person thinks big government is the answer to the country's ills then that is their personal belief. If you honestly think you are going to change their mind on that by beating them over the head with what sounds like conservative talk radio bullet points then you might want to rethink that, because you are not. Antagonizing Seph the way you did in the last post you made to him was just childish.
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” - Mahatma Gandhi