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17. Re: Out of the Blue May 2, 2013, 17:55 Retired
1badmf wrote on May 2, 2013, 10:14:
man that stop-and-frisk thing is ridiculous, and a classic example of using good intentions to put the state ahead of individual rights. i don't understand how that can be supreme court approved, because most of their justifications come nowhere close to probable cause. i mean, 'furtive movements' for real? that's probable cause for a pat down?

In California, "grabbing at the waist band" when someone runs from police is similar....I saw this going from bad to worse when they started doing it. They got a lot of bad dudes in bad areas, but it wasn't applied correctly. Not all things succeed, at least they tried something.
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