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52. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Jan 15, 2013, 20:50 Wowbagger_TIP
Beamer wrote on Jan 15, 2013, 13:24:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jan 15, 2013, 12:00:
Haven't really seen a case where smaller clips would have mattered. Even the Newtown guy was dropping them half-used. Shotguns can be reloaded on the fly, while always being ready to shoot. Speedloaders and speedstrips make reloading even revolvers very quick. Most shooters carried more than one gun too, so they always have at least a backup. This is all pretty common sense for anyone that plans to get into a firefight.

The only times I can think of where magazine size has figured into the equation was a couple of times when the guy tried to use one of those 100 round drum mags and it caused the weapon to jam, as would be expected by anyone that's familiar with the track record of those things. I think that happened with the Aurora shooter.

So, no, reducing mag size would just be an inconvenience to law-abiding owners. Anyone else doesn't care that they're against the law. They are plentiful around the world and could be had fairly cheaply if someone so desired. We'll just end up creating yet another black market trade across our borders, which, predictably, we'll be completely unsuccessful at stopping. It will, however, give the government all sorts of reasons to infringe on the liberties of citizens in the name of the War on Guns. Yeah, we need another one of those...

These shooters haven't gotten their weapons through illegal means, though. So you can say that they could have purchased larger capacity clips on the black market... but they haven't used the black market. They've purchased everything legitimately, or taken them from others who have.

This whole "acquired through illegal means" argument makes no sense because it isn't relevant.
Well, yeah, since the guns and mags are currently legal, you don't really have any need to get them illegally, so there isn't much of a market for them unless you're already on the prohibited list and can't buy them legally. If that changes, then the market will form, just like it does for anything else that gets banned but is still in demand.

Some have gotten them through illegal means (Columbine shooters come to mind), and some shouldn't have been able to buy them at all (like Virginia Tech shooter) if the states were actually reporting things like they should be. Mag capacity isn't really an issue though, it just makes for good political theater.

Beamer wrote on Jan 15, 2013, 13:24:
Yeah, there are criminals out there with illegal guns. Do you know who they tend to kill? Other criminals. The vast majority of illegal gun crime is gang crime. The vast majority of gang crime is gang on gang crime.

True enough. I don't really have much concern for gangs/drug dealers getting shot. Ending the drug war and doing more to fight poverty and educate people is about the only thing that will help with that problem.
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