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99. Re: Op Ed Jan 13, 2013, 12:38 Beamer
RollinThundr wrote on Jan 12, 2013, 19:45:
Beamer wrote on Jan 12, 2013, 18:45:
RollinThundr wrote on Jan 12, 2013, 16:19:
are other ways to treat mental health in a more positive manner, be it therapy, outreach programs, or devising better ways to keep those who are full on mental out of society in the first place. etc, rather than be pill subscription happy and sending these highly troubled people on their way to shooting up a school because they're not getting the proper help or diagnosis. Granted that might piss off the pharmaceutical companies however who have quite the lobbyists themselves however.

There's alot of other avenues to look at actually treating the symptoms rather than going after inanimate objects, in this case guns, or video games a a feel good band aid and something to lay the blame on.

But that isn't a solution. You still need to say who is going to come up with. Who will enforce it? What measures will there be? How will we know when pills are still right? How do you know pills aren't?

What you're doing is saying "the problem is some people are bad. If people decided not to be bad, we'd be ok." Great. Still not a solution.

I didn't say it was an outright solution but you have to start somewhere. And things like that would be a far better start than banning clip sizes or semi automatics because those two things won't affect anything at all.

What's your solution? What have the anti gun people offered up that will actually affect anything?

And really stop twisting my words to suit your stance that guns are the issue. As cliche as it is at this point inanimate objects don't decide for people. People still pull the trigger. As much as you hate it when I bring up personal responsibility it doesn't make it any less true.

You do this all the time Beamer, someone offers suggestions be it on spending cuts, or whatever else and your default answer is "That's not a solution" without ever offering up any realistic solutions of your own


You've identified an issue: you feel we treat too much with pills. But you have YET to identify a solution for this. You dance around, dance around, dance around. Your solution is just "we shouldn't do that."

Fuck, man. You never address:
1) Why we do that
2) Who is responsible for doing that
3) How we can change the thinking of those responsible
4) How we can enforce this
5) How we can monitor the change

Again, should the FDA pass new regulations? Should the legislators pass new laws? Should medical schools change their curriculum (and who will make them?) What is to prevent current doctors from just doing what they do? And who are you, RollinThundr, to question the thinking of millions of doctors? On that note, shouldn't we commission some studies on pills vs other treatment? Who will pay for these studies? Who will do them? Who will review the results? Who will pay for alternative care, which will certainly be more costly and time consuming than pills? Who will do the training for this? Will we have facilities for these people? Will the government be involved?

Again, your solution is one step below "we shouldn't hurt other people, it's bad." Duh. You're offering NOTHING anyone can actually do.

However, saying that we should ban giant clips, so that anyone on a rampage has to reload, giving people time to flee, is something that people can actually do. Saying we should ban gun convention sales and private gun collector sales, where no background check is needed, is something that can easily be done. Saying we should have more of a detailed background check, one that perhaps looks for warning signs of certain medication, is something that can be done.

See how mentioning laws and regulations that are specific and doable, and showing the intended outcome, is different than saying "well, doctors should prescribe less pills."

Also, nice way to turn around what I keep saying to you. I've offered solutions here. The problem is that you don't. You put out pie in the sky stuff that isn't an actual plan. Things no one can actually do. Things not really thought through.
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